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[1. CALL TO ORDER]
OF MISSOURI CITY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR JULY 14TH, 2021 IS CALLED TO ORDER.WE DO HAVE A QUORUM WITH US ON TONIGHT.
ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR.
I WANT TO WELCOME OUR NEWEST COMMISSIONER, MR. GRIFFIN.
[3. READING OF MINUTES]
WE'LL CONSIDER WE'RE APPROVING THE MINUTES OF THE JUNE 9TH, 2021 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.THAT WOULD BE MS. LUCAS AND MR. BARDWELL ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ARE THERE ANY NOS OR ABSTENTIONS? OKAY.
THAT MOTION CARRIES IS PRESENTED AT THIS TIME.
[4. REPORTS]
IT'S TIME FOR REPORTS ON TONIGHT AND UM, WE WANT TO TAKE A LITTLE TIME OUT TO RECOGNIZE, UH, DR.SHE CHOSE NOT TO COME BACK TO THE ZONING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON, ON AT THE TIME OF HER RENEWAL OF HER TERM, MR. BECAUSE SHE HAS A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WITH HER RIGHT NOW.
AND SO WE WANT TO THANK HER FOR HER TIME.
RASMUS, I'LL MEET YOU OVER HERE AT THE PODIUM.
YOU, I JUST WANT TO, TO SERVE ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
I WANT TO THANK ALL THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR KINDNESS AND, UM, FOR HELPING GUIDE ME.
I APPRECIATE WE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH THE AGENDA.
I HAVE NO OTHER REPORT COMMISSIONERS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER REPORTS FROM ANY OF YOU? NO, RIGHT HERE.
NOW I'M GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.
UH, STAFF REPORTS, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
IS THERE A REPORT FROM ENGINEERING? HI SHASHI.
ALONG AT THIS TIME, THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT TIME.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION IN REGARDS TO A MATTER THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
PREFERABLY IS THERE ANYONE SEEING NONE WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ALONG? UM, WE'RE AT THE PLANTS UNDER SIX, A THE CONSENT
[CONSENT AGENDA]
AGENDA.ALL OF THESE ITEMS HERE ARE NORMAL OR CONSIDERED NORMAL ROUTINE FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
ITEM ONE, CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR A FINAL PLAN FOR HERITAGE PARK DRIVE PHASE FOUR AND WATERS LAKE BOULEVARD, PHASE FOUR STREET DEDICATION TO CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR A FINAL PLED PER SIENNA PARKWAY, SECTION FIVE STREET, DEDICATION, AND THREE.
CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR A FINAL PLATFORM.
OYSTER CREEK FORMS OF STATE ON UNDERWOOD.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON ITEM THREE.
SO IS THERE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT ITEMS MOTION.
WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AND WE'RE GOING TO EXCLUDE ITEMS BRIEF ON THAT.
SO THE MOTION IS FOR ITEMS ONE AND TWO.
IS THERE A SECOND? THANK YOU, MR. BRIGHTWELL, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ANY NAYS SEEING NONE THAT MOTION CARRIES, UM, ITEM THREE, CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR FINAL PLATFORM.
STIR CREEK FORMS. THE STATES ON UNDERWOOD THE REPORT WAS UPDATED, BUT I THINK STAFF HAD ONE MORE COMMENT.
UM, SO YES, THAT DID ADD A COMMENT.
IT WAS IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, PROPOSED SUBDIVISION AND THERE, UH, PRIVATE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM, UM,
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DUE TO THIS SITE OF BEING A SINGLE SITE AND IT'S BEING SPLIT INTO TWO, UM, ON APRIL 6TH, 2015, IT WAS A SINGLE SITE.SO, UH, DUE TO OUR CODES SPECIFICALLY SECTION 86.182, UH, THIS WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED ONE PRIVATE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM.
SO ALTHOUGH IT'S SPLIT INTO TWO, THEY WOULD NEED TO GO TO THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, UH, TO APPLY FOR, TO, UH, WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEMS PRIVATES.
SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE CAN'T APPROVE THE PLAT UNTIL THEY DO THAT? I DON'T THINK THAT THAT HAS ANY BEARING ON THE PLAT SPECIFICALLY.
IT WOULD JUST MEAN IF THEY WERE TO TRY AND USE TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS ON THE SITE, THEY WOULD NEED TO GO FOR THAT VARIANCE.
ANY QUESTIONS OF MASON WITH REGARDS TO WHAT HE'S SAYING? SO AT THIS TIME IS ONE BUILDING.
YES MA'AM BUT IF THEY EVER DECIDED TO GO TO TWO, THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO ASK FOR THE VARIANCE.
IS THERE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT? ITEM SIX, THREE.
UM, MR. HANEY MADE THE MOTION AND THE SECOND WAS BY MR. O'MALLEY.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SO CLARIFICATION FOR ME IS, IS THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF IS IN THE FUTURE.
SAY IT ONE MORE TIME, MR.
SO WE NEED TO ENCOMPASS THAT INTO THE MOTION BECAUSE IT'S NOT DOCUMENTED ALL OF THAT IN MY MOTION.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE KIND OF RIGHT.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW TYPE, UH, THANK YOU, MR. BRIGHTWELL.
WELL, THAT WAS REALLY, REALLY GOOD.
SO MR. HANEY HAS WITHDRAWN, UH, HIS FIRST MOTION AND HE HAS AMENDED HIS MOTION TO APPROVE THIS AS A FINAL PLAT WITH THE UPDATED, UPDATED REPORT, BASED ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH, SHOULD IT MOVE FROM ONE BUILDING TO TWO AND THEY WILL HAVE TO SEEK A VARIANCE FOR WAR AND SWITCH.
IS THERE A SECOND? THANK YOU TO MR. O'MALLEY.
IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
MASON, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE NOW TO
[6.B. GREYDEN ESTATES]
ITEM SIX B.THIS WILL BE FOR GRADING, UH, STATES.
AND WHEN YOU DO HAVE AN UPDATED STAFF REPORT HERE AS WELL, THIS WILL BE A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
UM, SO THIS IS THE GREAT INTERSTATE PRELIMINARY PLAT NORTH OF TRUESDALE TRIBES SOUTH OF OLYMPIA STATES, EAST OF VICKSBURG BOULEVARD, WEST OF VICKSBURG.
UH, SEDONIE CREEK IT'S ZONED R TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ON 2.872 ACRE TRACT OF LAND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS, UM, LISTED IN THE REPORT.
AND THERE HAS BEEN A COMMON ADDED IN ADDITION, AND IT'S REGARDING THE STREETS.
UM, THIS IS, UH, NUMBER TWO B AND IT IS PRIVATE STREETS MAY BE PERMITTED BY THE COMMISSION.
IF IT DETERMINES THE USE OF PRIVATE STREETS WILL PRESERVE AESTHETIC ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITIES OF THE SUBDIVISION WHILE PROVIDING PROPERTY OWNERS A SAFE, FUNCTIONAL, AND LASTING MEANS OF ACCESS IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 82 DASH 1 5 8.
UM, WE JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE WIDTH OF THE PROPOSED PRIVATE STREETS ALLOWS FOR SUFFICIENT ACCESS OF, UH, EMERGENCY AND UTILITY VEHICLES IN THIS SUBDIVISION, RIGHT? SO THAT WAS THE SAME COMMENTS WE HAD ON THE, ON THE PRIVATE STREETS FROM LAST MONTH IS THE FIRE APPARATUS AND EVERYTHING THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE.
SO WE JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING,
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UM, WHO CITY I AGREE.THAT WOULD AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL.
WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO SAY? WELL, I MEAN THE, THE PLOT INDICATION RIGHT AWAY WITH ARE WE CONCERNED THAT THOSE AREN'T WIDE ENOUGH OR THAT MUCH SUFFICIENT, SO TO ENSURE THE WIDTH, UM, ALSO THE POUNDAGE THAT IT CAN HANDLE, SHOULD IT BE A FIRETRUCK WASTE MANAGEMENT, NECESSARILY THE SIZE OF QUALITY OR THE WEATHER BELT? YES.
BASICALLY SAYS IT HAS TO FOLLOW ALL THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE FOR PUBLIC STREETS TO BE A PRO, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A PRIVATE STREET.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OF MASON? IS THERE A MOTION MAKE A MOTION? WE APPROVE THIS PRELIMINARY PLAN.
IS IT IT'S PRELIMINARY? IS THERE A SECOND? A SECOND.
THANK YOU, MR. GRIFFIN, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
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THIS IS 1255 FM 10 92, MANU.WE WILL CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS 0.459 ACRE TRACT OF LAND.
IT'S NORTH OF WALGREENS AT THE INTERSECTION OF FM 9, 10 92 SOUTH, UM, WEST OF THE LEXINGTON SQUARE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN EASTERN BURGER KING.
UM, SO THE UPDATES ARE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS CLEARED ALL COMMENTS THAT WERE ON THE PREVIOUS, UH, AT LEAST SENT OUT AGENDA PACKET, AND THEREFORE THERE ARE NO LONGER ANY COMMENTS, SO THAT RECOMMENDS, UH, APPROVAL WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS.
MR. HANEY, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND.
THANK YOU, MS. LUCAS, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR HAND.
UM, MOTION CARRIES AS WELL OR WERE IN FAVOR.
[6.D. ARCADIA]
16 ARCADIA.AND AGAIN, THIS, UH, REPORT HAS BEEN UPDATED AS WELL.
61 WE'LL CONSIDER A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
ALL RIGHT, THIS, UH, 27.7 ACRE TRACT OF LAND LOCATED NORTH OF CARTWRIGHT, SOUTH OF BRADFORD VILLAGE, EAST OF COLUMBIA DRIVE IN WEST OF TEXAS PARKWAY IS CURRENTLY ZONED R FIVE OUTHOUSE RESIDENTIAL STAFF'S RECOMMENDING APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.
UM, THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL COMMENT ADDED THAT COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO A DRAINAGE IMPACT ANALYSIS.
UM, STEPH, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DRAINAGE IMPACT ANALYSIS SUBMITTED FOR THE SITE.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, WILL THERE BE ONE? UM, SO THAT IS ACTUALLY THE, UH, COMMENT ABOVE THAT, UH, TO A, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SHALL BE SUBMITTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION TWO D 25.
IS IT REVISE WHEN WE HAVE DOESN'T HAVE EITHER ONE OF THOSE ITEMS ON IT? YEAH.
I'VE GOT DROPPED OFF THE UPDATED REPORT.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE, UNLESS THERE'S, IS THERE MAY BE A PAGE MISSING POSSIBLY.
LET'S SAY IT LOOKS LIKE THERE POSSIBLY IS.
AND PAGE TWO IS AS THE COMMENT HE TALKED ABOUT, GREG, I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT OVER HERE ON THE UPDATED REPORT.
THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN A PAGE LEFT OUT OF THAT REPORT.
I MEAN, SO THE WORDING AND THE PAGE TWO OF THE ORIGINAL PORT REMAIN AS ITEM TWO AND IT, WHICH IS OKAY.
AND THEN THE ITEM YOU ADDED FOR THE DRAINAGE STUDY HAS TO BE IT'S DEEP D ONE, I'M SORRY.
CAUSE DO WANT ORIGINALLY WAS A WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE.
AND NOW YOU SAID YOU WANT TO ADD A DRAINAGE IMPACT FEE.
SO THIS WOULD BE ITEM TWO B UM, AND IT WOULD BE A DRAINAGE IMPACT,
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ISN'T IT? YEAH.SO CAN WE JUST PUT A MOTION TO COVER THAT? YEAH, BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ON PAGE TWO.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING ELSE STAYS.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD TO THIS.
IT ALL TIES TOGETHER, RIGHT? THIS INTERSECTION IS CRITICAL.
THERE'S A SUBDIVISION THERE THAT ALREADY EXISTS AND IT'S BEEN THERE FOR VERY LONG TIME OR GREEN.
AND WHEN THOSE, UH, WHEN THE CURBS AND GUTTERS WENT IN ON FM 22, 34, WE BASICALLY LOCKED THEM INTO THEIR SUBDIVISIONS.
AND SO AS THEY ARE, IT'S ALREADY VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO GET IN AND OUT OF THAT.
INTO SOMETIMES, BUT ESPECIALLY OUT AND WITH THIS PARTICULAR TOWNHOME COMMUNITY GOING IN DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THEM AT WHAT IS THAT GREEN DALE? I BELIEVE THAT IT IS THAT'S GOING TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE SO, SO THAT TIA IS CRITICAL AND HONESTLY, A LIGHT NEEDS TO GO THERE.
IT'S GOTTA GIVE THESE PEOPLE SOME RELIEF.
WE CAN'T JUST GIVE THEM MORE PAIN.
MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE DIA AS WELL AS THE DRAINAGE IMPACT ANALYSIS.
AND THEN ALSO THE TIA WILL LIKELY TRIGGER A SIGNAL AT GREENDALE AND THAT WILL BE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE A, UM, MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION, BUT GO AHEAD.
YOU HAVE PREFERRED TO USE COMMISSIONER, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS PLAT WITH THE UPDATED REPORT.
ONCE IT GETS COMPLETELY ASSEMBLED.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND? THANK YOU, MR. GRIFFIN, THERE MAY BE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION.
IS THERE SOMETHING FROM MY NAME IS KATIE HARRISON WITH LJA ENGINEERING.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I SPOKE WITH OUR ENGINEER TODAY AND A TIA HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.
SO WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE AND FALLING ALL OF THAT AND I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE UNDER REVIEW AT THIS POINT.
AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[6.E. SIENNA]
E SIENNA AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE THEM STRAIGHT IN ONE QUICK ORDER.THERE ARE NO UPDATES AS WELL TO THIS, SO I'M SORRY.
WE CAN DO ONE AND THEN WE DO ALL THE REST OF THEM.
I THINK WE CAN LEAVE FOR HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO, UM, TAKE ITEM ONE, RECONSIDER AN APPLICATION OR A CONCEPT PLAN FOR SIENNA THREE F YOU ME MADAM KAREN COMMISSIONERS.
SO THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR CONCEPT CNN THREE F THIS WAS ACTUALLY ON LAST MONTH'S AGENDA AND WAS APPROVED.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT THEY HAVE UPDATED IS THAT THEY HAVE INCREASED A LOTS FROM 457, LOTS TO 461.
AND THEY HAVE ALSO INCREASED THE AMOUNT OF SECTIONS THAT THEY HAVE WITHIN THIS CONCEPT PLAN FROM NINE SECTIONS TO 12 SECTIONS AND OF THOSE 12 SECTIONS SEVEN ARE ON THE AGENDA TODAY, INCLUDING SECTIONS 44, 46, 49, 52 53, PRESENT SPRINGS DRIVE, DEDICATION AND WATERS LIKE BOULEVARD, DEDICATION, PHASE FIVE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT REPORT.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO ITEM ONE? OH, I'LL REQUEST.
THAT INFORMATION ISN'T IN THE REPORT ANYMORE OR AT LEAST I COULDN'T FIND IT.
AND SO I DIDN'T HAVE THE PREVIOUS ONE D WHATEVER IT WAS, I GUESS, TO TRY TO COMPARE.
SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN VERY HELPFUL JUST TO KNOW WHAT EXACTLY WHAT SHE JUST SAID AS PART OF THE REPORT, JUST TO SAY SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AND SEE KIND OF WHAT CHANGED.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S, I WANT TO SAY IT'S TRIVIAL, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST ADDING FOUR LOTS AND BREAKING THE SECTIONS UP DIFFERENTLY,
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YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SEEM REALLY MATERIAL.SO IT WOULD BEEN JUST HELPFUL TO KNOW THAT AHEAD OF TIME LOOKING AT THE REPORT.
WELL, MAY I PLEASE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS, UH, CONCEPT PLAN NOW? REVISED.
IS THERE A SECOND? HAS SECOND.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. LUCAS, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, ANY OPPOSED OR MARILYN DID YOU VOTE? I DID.
AND THAT MOTION CARRIES ALL ARE IN FAVOR.
UM, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEMS TWO THROUGH EIGHT BASED ON BACKGROUND, JUST TO APPROVE THE CONCEPT PLAN.
EMOTION IS ON THE FLOOR FOR ITEMS TWO THROUGH EIGHT, BASED ON THE IDEA THAT WE JUST APPROVED THE CONCEPT PLAN.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THE MOTION? I SECOND, I THANK YOU SO MUCH.
NOW WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
SO STARTING FROM ITEMS FOUR THROUGH SEVEN, UM, IT WAS KIND OF WEIRD BECAUSE TYPICALLY ON THE APPLICATION, THEY WA SIENNA'S REALLY GOOD ABOUT THIS.
THEY WILL INDICATE IF IT'S SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTI-FAMILY, AND THE LOTS ARE VERY NARROW.
UH, JENNIFER CONFIRMED THAT IT'S SINGLE FAMILY, IS THAT OUR UNDERSTANDING IT IS GOING TO BE SINGLE FAMILY.
AND THEN, UM, I HAD TWO QUESTIONS, I'M SORRY, ON NUMBER FOUR, SECTION 49.
I'M PRETTY SURE I'M JUST GETTING OLD, BUT I COUNTED 97 LIGHTS.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE I COULDN'T GET MY STRAIGHT LINES EVEN DOUBT.
YOU PHYSICALLY COUNTED LESS LOSS THAN THEY HAVE WRITTEN THERE, BUT SHE SAID, WELL, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE WILL APPROVE IT AT THE A HUNDRED AND A VOTE ON IT AT THE 102 LOTS.
BUT WHEN I COUNTED IT, IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS 97 MONTHS.
IT MAY BE, UM, FUTURE RESERVES THAT MAY APPEAR AS LOCKED OR, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE MAY NOT BE AT THE SAME FACTOR.
WELL, WE'LL JUST TO CONFIRM IT.
CAUSE IT WAS ONE OF THE ONES WHERE THE MAP ACTUALLY SPLIT IT'S SPLIT APART.
AND SO YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LAY THEM TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MATCHES KIND OF TUFTS DO ON THE COMPUTER, BUT WE'LL GET THROUGH IT.
MR. HANEY, I DEFER TO YOU, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
WELL, JUST PROCEDURALLY, JUST CONFIRMING THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO APPROVE THOSE ITEMS ALTOGETHER.
IT WAS NORMALLY, THEY JUST WOULD HAVE APPEARED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA SINCE WE HAD TO APPROVE THE CONCEPT PLAN.
THERE IS ACTUALLY, UM, SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, SECTION 44, THAT ONE IS SOUTH IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS DUE TO THE STREET NAMES.
UM, THEY DO CURRENTLY MEET THE STANDARDS, HOWEVER THEY ARE REDUNDANT, UM, AND COULD BE CONFUSING.
SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF, OF CONDITIONS ON THE BASIS THAT THEY CLARIFY, UM, THE STREET NAMES, EVERYTHING WAS PARK PARK, PARK PARK DEPARTMENT.
AND I HAVE COMMISSIONER, UH, CHAIRMAN.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT TOO, BECAUSE THERE'S THE CONSISTENCY OF PARK.
AND I WAS, I REMEMBER THE CITY HAD, UH, APPROVED THAT THERE CANNOT BE A CONSISTENT NAME.
REPETITION, AS FAR AS THE NAME STREET NAME IS CONCERNED IN THE FUTURE.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THEY CHANGE.
AND THAT, WASN'T GOING TO BE MY QUESTION.
AND GOING BACK TO, UM, MR. HANEY'S QUESTION.
UM, PROCEDURALLY, CAN WE TAKE THIS MOTION LIKE THIS LEGAL, THANK YOU.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO ANY OF THE APPLICATIONS? OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. HANEY AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY MRS. OVERTON AND WE'VE HAD OUR DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
OH, YOU KNOW WHAT I DID? YEAH.
WE JUST APPROVED IT, BUT CAN WE GO AT IT AND HEAR FROM THE ENGINEER PLEASE? I'M SORRY.
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NOT A PROBLEM.I JUST ADDED UP ALL THE LOT NUMBERS ON, UH, SECTIONS IS 49.
SO THAT'S ON THE FACE OF THE PLATTE.
YOU PROBABLY JUST HIT A COUPLE ON THE CUL-DE-SAC THAT SHE DIDN'T CATCH.
SOME CAMERA TIMES THAT WHAT IT WAS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONFIRMING THAT.
[7.A. PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT]
ITEM SEVEN, THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS, AND THIS WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING.WE'LL RECEIVE COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST THE REQUEST BY CANON CAPITAL COMPANY, LLC, TO AMANDA PD, NUMBER 85 TO ALLOW FOR MULTIFAMILY.
AND I WANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS GOING UP OFF OF 90 NEAR BULL LANE.
SO THIS IS AN APPLICATION TO AMEND PLAN DEVELOPMENT, NUMBER 85 TO ALLOW
DO YOU JUST WANT TO GO AHEAD AND POINT OUT RIGHT NOW THAT THE STAFF REPORT DOES HAVE A TYPO AT REFERENCES PD NUMBER 80 83.
THIS PD IS LOCATED NORTHEAST OF TEXAS PARKWAY AND SOUTH OF US 90.
YOU STILL HAVE BULL LANE AND WEST OF SOUTH CRAVENS ROAD.
THE PD CURRENTLY ALLOWS FOR LC THREE RETAIL WAREHOUSE AND INDUSTRIAL USES THE AMENDMENT FOR TELE MF.
TWO WOULD ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEX CONSISTING OF 105 APARTMENT UNITS, A CLUBHOUSE, A SWIMMING POOL, AND A DOG PARK.
THE APPLICANT ANTICIPATES WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE COMPLETED ON OR BEFORE DECEMBER 20 OF 22.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH A 2017 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
HOWEVER, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN WILL NEED TO BE AMENDED.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, TIM AND THE PD NUMBER 85 TELL ALLOW FOR MF TWO ON THE EASTERN 60 ACRE TRACT OF LAND, MOVING ON TO THE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
THERE ARE NO PROPOSED CHANGES OUTSIDE OF THE BASE ZONING REQUIREMENTS OF MFQ STAFF HAS REQUESTED THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE CLARIFICATION ON HOW THEY WILL COMPLY WITH THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 11, PARTICULARLY HOW THEY ADDRESSED THE TRANSITIONAL BUFFER YARD REQUIREMENT.
ADDITIONALLY, THE SITE PLAN SHOWS A REDUCED PARKING.
HOWEVER, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT MEET THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS OR SUBMIT A PARKING STUDY THAT SUPPORTS THE DEVIATION.
AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE THOSE NOW.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT.
DID THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? HOW, HOW MANY UNITS, UM, IS CANNON, UM, CAPITOL REC, UH, PROPOSING? I KNOW I SAY A MULTIFAMILY, BUT THAT'S A BIG, RIGHT? SO THEY ARE PROPOSING 105 UNITS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? COME ON OVER, SIR.
AND IF YOU'D LIKE FOR THE DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPERS TO JOIN YOU, THAT'S FINE.
I DIDN'T HEAR THAT IF YOU'D LIKE FOR THE OTHER DEVELOPERS TO JOIN YOU.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO, BUT DEPENDING ON QUESTIONS THAT WE MIGHT GET.
ONE OF THEM JUST POINTED OUT, I THINK AN EIGHT GOT BRED AS A FIVE AND THEN GOT PRINTED OUT AS A FIVE.
I THINK IT'S 108 UNITS THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED AND SHOWN IN THE PLAN.
IT IS A VERY PRELIMINARY WAY OUT, OF COURSE.
SO THAT, SO THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE CHANGE FOR SURE.
SO, AND STAFF'S REPORT BEFORE WE GET GOING THOUGH, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND JEFF MARTIN WITH LAND POINT ENGINEERING.
OKAY, NICE TO HAVE YOU HERE ON TONIGHT.
I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IN A WHILE, BUT IT'S NICE TO BE BACK AND IT'S NICE TO BE BACK AT A LIVE MEETING.
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BIT WHY YOU CHOSE THIS SITE.UM, WOULD YOU, THE DEVELOPER LIKE TO ANSWER THAT I HAVE MY IDEAS.
THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO BE, UM, ON THE FRONT OF ANYTHING.
UH, THIS LOOKED LIKE A GOOD PARCEL TO GET, TO KIND OF PUT IT IN AN INTERIM POSITION BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY AND WHAT, UH, MAYBE AN INDUSTRIAL TO DECIDE, UM, WHAT THEY HAVE PLANNED IS RELATIVELY LOW DENSITY.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE GOT LOTS OF GREEN SPACE IN THIS.
UH, IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD PLACE TO PUT A SMALL APARTMENT COMPLEX AND GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.
I GOTTA THINK THAT THERE'S A MARKET FOR THIS, UH, PRETTY QUICKLY DEVELOP IT RIGHT THERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND TRANSITIONS GOING ON, UM, TO THE, UH, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE PRIMARILY WHAT, YOU KNOW, WEST AND I MEAN EAST AND NORTH, UM, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME DEMAND FOR THIS AND THIS IS NOT HUGE.
I'VE PROBABLY TALKED TOO MUCH, BUT HAVE TO FACE THE CANCER.
TWO STORIES, THREE, THREE STORIES.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION.
UH, THE NEAREST SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UM, I'M TRYING TO PITCH A BULL, UH, AND 98.
UM, BUT HOW FAR ARE THE APARTMENTS ARE? HOW CLOSE ARE THEY TO ANY SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS? SORRY, I BELIEVE TO THE SOUTH.
UH, WHAT WOULD THAT BE SOUTHEAST? THERE ARE SOME EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY AND SOME OTHERS PLAN.
YOU WILL NOTE THAT, HOWEVER, WE HAVE AN AREA THAT MAY END UP BEING A DETENTION FARM, BUT WE HAVE A WAY TO GREEN SPACE BETWEEN US AND THEM ON THAT SOUTHERN PIECE.
WE'VE TRIED TO, UH, ADDRESS THAT.
I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT IF WE'RE ADDING MORE PARKING, PART OF OUR THOUGHT WAS TO PUT ONE OPTION WAS TO PUT PARKING THAT DIRECTION.
ALTHOUGH IT WOULD ONLY BE ONE AT A SH YOU KNOW, LIKE DRIVE, BUT THE OTHER IS TO MOVE, UH, TO, TO THE NORTH AND MOVE THE DOG PARK TO THE WEST, UH, WHICH WOULD STILL MAINTAIN A VERY BIG BUFFER TO THAT, UH, THE SOUTHERN HOUSES.
AND IN TERMS OF WHAT THE BUFFER, TELL ME WHAT THE BUFFER WOULD LOOK LIKE.
MAYBE RIGHT NOW, INITIALLY WE WERE THINKING IT WAS JUST GOING TO BE LITERALLY GREEN SPACE WITH AND TREES.
AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE A FENCE, UH, THAT WOULD, UH, BLOCK THE VIEW DOWN THERE.
IT IS, UH, SINCE BEEN SUGGESTED THAT, UH, GIVEN THE LAY OF THE LAND, WE MAY WANT SOME DETENTION, BUT THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A, OH, UH, A FAIRLY SHALLOW ONE.
AND WE MIGHT EVEN CONSIDER, UM, I THINK I'VE SEEN IT AROUND HERE, BUT I PICKED IT UP WHEN I WAS DOING PROJECTS IN COLORADO, WHERE WE HAVE THE OUTER EDGE OF THE AREA FAIRLY LOW, WHICH CATCHES MOST OF THE RAIN AND THEN HAVE, UH, ALMOST, UH, IF WE WANTED A PLAYING FIELD OR JUST SOMETHING IN THE LARGER PART OF IT, THAT'S STILL YET TO BE DECIDED.
AND WE WILL COME TO YOU OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH, UH, THE CITY WITH PLANS.
BUT THAT WAS MY INITIAL THOUGHTS.
I'VE GOT TWO WAYS OF DEALING WITH, UH, GIVING YOU EXTRA PARKING IN HERE.
AND THE MAIN PART OF IT IS I MAY MOVE THE DOG PARK TO THE LEFT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THEM.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING ANOTHER PROJECT HERE.
AT THIS TIME, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE NOW TOWARDS PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I'M GOING TO START WITH THE ONES THAT I HAVE HERE, WHERE THEY'VE SIGNED UP FIRST TO SPEAK, AND THEN I'LL TAKE OTHERS FROM OUT OF THE AUDIENCE IF THAT'S OKAY.
OR THE FIRST PERSON WILL BE WILLIAM CRONIN, VCU, COME ON UP TO THE MIC, SIR.
AND ONCE YOU GET THERE, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
UM, MY NAME IS WILLIAM CRONIN.
I LIVE AT 9 0 2 PINE MEADOW DRIVE PINE MEADOW SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO, IT LOOKS LIKE LAND, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ADJACENT TO WHERE THE, UH, THE PLAN IS SUBMITTED WOULD BE THE DETENTION POND.
I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT.
SO PART OF THAT LINE COULD BE AFFECTING MY,
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UM, SO SOME OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO ADDRESS OR THE, FOR THE ZONING BOARD, UH, WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE APPROVED AND SUBMITTED FOR APARTMENT DWELLING.THIS MOVES FORWARD WHILE THE CONSTRUCTION INCLUDES THE RETENTION POND.
THAT AS I SAY, BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEM, I HAD A CONCERN WITH DRAINAGE BETWEEN ALL THE BACK OF OUR PROPERTIES AND THIS ADJOINING PROPERTY, BUT TO JUST APPROVE ONE THING AND THEY DREW THE APARTMENT.
ARE THEY GOING TO REQUIRE THE DETENTION PONDERS I'D COME LATER.
UM, NUMBER TWO, CAN YOU VERIFY THE FENCING WILL BE CONSISTENT ON THE FULL BORDER OF THE PROPERTIES ALONG PINE MEADOW SUBDIVISION? HOPEFULLY NOT JUST A VINYL FENCE ON ONE SECTION, UM, HOW SOON WILL CONSTRUCTION BEGIN AND WHEN CAN WE SEE THE TREES BORDERING THE PROPERTIES REMOVED? I READ IN ANOTHER ARTICLE ABOUT SOME OTHER PROPERTIES APPROVED BY THE CITY, THE ZONING BOARD, AND OTHER AREAS THAT THIS OVERGROWTH IS A RESTRICTION FOR SOME OF THE UTILITIES IT'S ALONG THAT ORDER.
SO WE HAVE A LAW OR SOME LARGE NUMBER OF TREES THAT SEPARATE US, AND I'M CONCERNED OF MY PROPERTY THAT SOME OF THOSE TREES WILL HAVE TO BE TOPPED OUT OR SOMETHING THEY'RE GOING TO FALL ON MY HOUSE OR OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, A CONCERN.
I WAS GOING TO SEND A LETTER TO THE OWNERS ASKING IF I CAN CUT SOME OF THOSE TREES OR ARE THEY GOING TO PLAN ON CUTTING THOSE TREES? BUT THE CONCERN HERE WOULD BE IS ALL THAT GOING TO BE TAKEN OUT AND WHO'S RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL OF THE TREES, UM, WILL THE COMPLEX PROVIDE AREAS FOR OUTSIDE BARBECUING OR WE'LL HAVE TENANTS LIKE TAKE LIBERTY TO USE THEIR PATIOS.
THESE ARE THE THREE STORY INSTANCES WE'RE GOING TO CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE AND THIS ISSUE.
AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S ANY GROUND AREAS FOR THEM TO DO OUTSIDE PICNICKING.
UM, WHAT WILL BE DONE TO CURB NOISE? THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE, BUT I NEED TO KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT.
WHAT IS THE PROPOSAL TO DEAL WITH TRAFFIC ISSUE IS TO PERHAPS HAVE TXDOT REDUCED THE SPEED ALONG 90 ON THE INSIDE EASTBOUND LANE, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT OF THOSE PARTS, PARTS OF, OF 90 FROM ALL OF THIS HOUSING OR COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION, UH, WHAT WILL THIS APPROVAL ENCOURAGE AND SIMILAR PROPOSAL FOR REMAINING TRACK OF LAND ALREADY? THERE'S A SIGN AT THE OTHER END.
HAS IT BEEN ALREADY APPROVED BEFORE THIS MEANING THAT THEY HAVE USED FROM ALL MULTI RESIDENTIAL? BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE ONE PLOT, RIGHT? ARE WE ONLY TALKING ABOUT ONE LOT HERE OR THE WHOLE SECTION? JUST ONE SECTION.
I WANT TO HEAR ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
WELL, THE CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ASSESSED THE DRAINAGE ISSUES FOR PINE MEADOW SUBDIVISION.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS, BUT IT IS PART OF IT.
A LOT OF THAT WATER IS RETAINED ALONG THAT BORDER, WHERE THOSE TREE LINES ON IT AND IT DOESN'T FULLY DRAIN OUT.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS BEHIND THE HOMES, MY HOME, AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS HERE, THERE ARE TRANSFORMERS, ELECTRICAL TRANSFORMERS THAT SIT ON THE GROUND AND THAT GROUND IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN THE CURBS THAT GOES AROUND SOUTH CRAVENS.
SO THE WATER HAS TO RISE ABOVE THOSE CURVES.
AND WHEN IT DOES, IT BEGINS TO EFFECT THE FUSES ON THOSE TRANSFORMERS AND SUBSEQUENTLY COOT KICKS OUT THE POWER OF THE POLE.
UM, WELL CENTER POINT BE BROUGHT INTO ASSESS ANY CHANGES THAT MAY AFFECT TRANSFORMER PLACEMENTS OR THE PROPERTIES ON PINE MEADOW SUBDIVISION.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE, AGAIN, THE UTILITY EASEMENT SEPARATING THE PROPERTIES IS COVERED WITH TREES THAT SHOULD BE TAUGHT IF NOT REMOVED, WHO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A COPY OF THIS IS LIKE I CAN GIVE TO SOMEONE WE'D LOVE TO.
WOULD YOU GIVE IT TO THE LADY BIRD HERE IN THE GREEN DRESS, SIR? AND THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
AND AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS, I WILL COME BACK UP AND HOPEFULLY GET SOME OF THESE, UH, QUESTIONS OF YOURS ANSWERED.
WILL THAT SOUND TONIGHT? HOW WOULD KING MR. KING? OKAY.
IS IT TYPICALLY MINUTES IIJIMA OR IT'S THREE MINUTES.
MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
I'VE LIVED IN THAT AREA SINCE 1979, AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES COME AND GO.
I CONCERN TONIGHT IS, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN GENERAL, TEND TO DEGRADE OVER AGE AND YOU GET RESIDENTS THAT MAYBE ARE NOT QUITE AS WE'RE ORIGINALLY INTENDED.
SO I WOULD SEE AN INCREASED, UM, OCCURRENCE
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IN TIME OF PLUS POSSIBLE CRIME IN THE AREA.THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT ENTIRE AREA THERE IS BEING DEVELOPED COMMERCIALLY AND THE FLOOD PLAIN, UH, ELEVATION IS BEING AFFECTED DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION IN THE AREA THEY'RE HAULING IN DIRT BY THE BILLIONS OF TRUCKLOADS.
AND I DO NOT SEE ANY RETENTION, PONDING FOR THE 26 ACRES THAT WERE DEVELOPED JUST ADJACENT TO ECHO CREEK RECENTLY.
AND SO CONSEQUENTLY, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE FLOOD, UH, IMPACT FOR OUR PROPERTIES THERE ON MESA VERDE.
I'M A RESIDENT, UH, THEY'RE ON 11, 18 MESA VERDE, AS YOU NOTE THERE.
AND, UM, I JUST HAVE, UH, SOME REAL QUESTIONS THAT, UH, THAT BOTHER ME.
AND I, I THINK, AND HOPE THAT PRAY THAT YOU WILL ADDRESS THOSE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE AND STUFF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN REGARDS TO THIS PROJECT? IF SO, YOU'RE WELCOME TO STEP TO THE PODIUM.
AND WE'LL JUST ASK THAT YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THREE MINUTES TO NOW COMMISSIONER COMMITTEE.
I LIVE AT 1, 1, 2, 6 MESA VERDE.
UM, I'M TO HIM CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, ENSURING OUR, GETTING MORE INFORMATION AS TO WHAT THE DEVELOPER'S PLAN IS OR OUR COMMUNITY, AS FOR, AS, UH, FLOODING, WE DON'T FLINT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH FLOODING.
AND WE KNOW THAT IN OUR AREA AND LOTS OF DEVELOPMENT, LIKE MS. HARRIS STATED THERE'S DEVELOPMENT GOING ON NOW, AND WE DON'T SEE WHERE THERE'S, THEY'RE GOING TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THE FLOODING.
THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE, REGARDING RESOUNDING, AND APPARENTLY WE GOT THE LETTERS BECAUSE A REZONING IS AGAIN ON THE TABLE.
UH, PRIOR TO THE, I THINK THE TWO OR THREE TIMES THAT WE'VE COME BEFORE THE ZONING COMMISSION, YOU ALL HAVE LISTENED TO US, YOU ALL HAVE, UM, UNDERSTOOD OUR ISSUES.
AND YOU HAD, HAVE DECIDED TO HAD DECIDED NOT TO REZONE US.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE PRIOR, UH, DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD ABOUT REZONING OUR AREA, UH, THEN IT WAS FOR SMALL, YOU KNOW, FOR HOMES TO BE DEVELOPED INTO BUSINESSES.
AND WHAT DOES THIS MEAN AS FAR AS, UH, THE REZONING ISSUE? IS THAT THE SAME THING? THE OTHER THING THAT, UH, I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT IS WILL THESE APARTMENT HAVE ACCESS ONE ACCESS AS FAR AS THE STREET, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW ADAM'S DEAD ENDS TO THE PROPERTY.
AND AS THE DIAGRAM SHOWS, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO RUN INTO ECHO CREEK AND ADAMS. SO DOES, IS THERE ANY PLANS, UH, THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS, OR WHAT ARE THE DEVELOPER'S PLANS FOR ACCESS TO, TO THE APARTMENTS? IS THAT ONE ENTRY FROM 90 OR WILL IT BE THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, AND EVEN THOUGH WE WERE TOLD ON THE PRIOR PROJECTS THAT OUR COMMUNITY WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED BY THE ACCESS.
THAT OF COURSE HAS NOT BEEN TRUE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED BETTER SIGNAGE, BUT WE HAVE 18 WHEELERS BEING STUCK IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ON OUR NARROW STREETS CURRENTLY.
AND THEY'VE COME THROUGH, THEY'VE, UH, DAMAGED THE CURBS, THEY GET LOST, THEY GET STUCK.
UH, CITY, MISSOURI CITY HAS BEEN OUT, UH, TO, TO, UH, TO GET A DAM OR A SITE SITE, THESE TRUCKS.
SO EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROMISED THAT IT WON'T IMPACT OUR AREAS, UH, IT CERTAINLY HAS.
AND DID WE GET HER NAME? WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS YOUR, MY NAME IS IT SIMMONS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. SIMMONS, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? HI, MY NAME IS STEPHANIE BUSH AND I LIVE AT 8 0 7 PINE MEADOW DRIVE.
I'M JUST GOING TO RE REITERATE, REITERATE, SORRY.
SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN EXPRESSED WITH, UM, DRAINAGE.
UM, WE SEEM TO BE NOW AT THE LOWEST PART WITH ALL OF THESE CONSTRUCTION BUILDINGS GOING UP AROUND US.
SO THAT IS A DEFINITE CONCERN.
OUR DIGITS DO NOT LOAD PROPERLY AND THEY'VE BEEN COMPLETELY NEGLECTED BY THE CITY.
SO ANOTHER BUILDING JUST ADDS MORE STRESS TO THAT SITUATION.
UM, AND THEN THE TRAFFIC AGAIN, UM, SOUTH CRAVENS, AS A SPEEDWAY, PEOPLE ARE RACING UP AND DOWN THE STREET CONSTANTLY.
SO SOME KIND OF TRAFFIC STOP SIGN OR SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE IMPLEMENTED, KIND OF HELP THAT SITUATION AS WELL.
THANK YOU SO MUCH TO YOUR COMMENTS.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OTHER THAN DRAINAGE AND TRAFFIC? ANYTHING ADDITIONAL? IS THERE A MOTION THAT WE OKAY THERE? THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
I LIVE AT THREE 10 PINE MEADOW
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HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1981.WE HAVE BEEN, UM, WORKING WITH PLANNING AND ZONING DEVELOPMENT BEFORE WHEN THE PARK 90 PROJECT WAS FIRST INTRODUCED.
WE HAVE SURVIVED THE THREE YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION THAT IS CONTINUING TO THIS DAY.
YES, WE DID HAVE FLOODING FOR HARVEY.
WE HAVE HAD EFFORTS WITH RETENTION PONDS.
WE DO HAVE INCREASED TRAFFIC DOWN SOUTH CRAVENS THROUGH THE WHOLE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT AND ONTO 90, WE HAVE SOME VERY, VERY DANGEROUS SITUATIONS COMING OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION AND ONTO 90.
UM, WE HAVE OVERGROWN VEGETATION ON PINE MEADOW THAT IS STILL UNRESOLVED, AND THAT IS STILL CAUSING US PROBLEMS THERE.
THE MISSOURI CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT KNOWS MY PHONE NUMBER WELL BECAUSE I CALL THE NON-EMERGENCY NUMBER PROBABLY TWO TO THREE TIMES A MONTH DUE TO THE STREET RACERS THAT ARE BACK THERE SINCE THE WAREHOUSE CONSTRUCTION.
I JUST HONESTLY, AND HEARTFELT ASK YOU, PLEASE RECONSIDER THIS APARTMENT PROJECT TO PUT THIS MUCH PRESSURE ON THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS STREET.
UM, I JUST HAVE REALLY DEEP CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT.
IT FEELS JUDGING FROM THE NEW WAREHOUSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THEY'RE TILTING THE WALLS NOW TODAY ON SOUTH CRAVEN'S PART OF THE PARK 90 THOSE WAREHOUSES AND THOSE THAT DIRT IS SO HIGH.
IT'S COMPLETELY COVERED IN MUD.
AGAIN, TONIGHT, AS I DROVE HERE, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE LIVING IN A SOUP BOWL, AND I DO FEAR FOR THE FUTURE STABILITY OF THE CITIZENS ON OUR STREET.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
UM, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO FURTHER WORK WITH THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMITTEE, I WOULD WELCOME THAT OPPORTUNITY.
I KNOW OUR NEIGHBORS WOULD AS WELL, SO I FEEL LIKE I'M HERE ASKING FOR A LIFE JACKET TONIGHT FOR PINE MEADOW.
SO IN A REAL WORLD, WHAT DO YOU LIKE TO SEE THERE? WHAT, IN YOUR MIND, WHAT WOULD IT BE? KNOW? WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS BEFORE, UH, WHEN MR. MUELLER, UH, HIS FARM WERE, THEY HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN ZONED, I BELIEVE FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, AND THAT WAS CHANGED INTO A SINGLE WAREHOUSE.
AND SO WE CAME AND SUPPORTED THAT MOVE IN GOOD FAITH THAT THAT WOULD HELP US.
AND SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE A BETTER RESOLUTION WITH PROPER DRAINAGE, PROPER BUFFERS.
AGAIN, IF WE CAN HAVE SOME OF THOSE BUFFERS, UM, SECURITY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A BETTER ALTERNATIVE THAN A MULTI-FAMILY ZONE BACK THERE IS JUST TOO TIGHT.
IS THERE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVE.
THANK YOU, MS. LUCAS, IS THERE A SECOND, A SECOND.
THANK YOU, MR. GRIFFIN, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.
UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS HAVE COME UP AND I'M HOPING MAYBE SEAN, SHE CAN KIND OF TALK TO US ABOUT, UH, DRAINAGE IN REGARDS TO HOW THAT WORKS.
A DRAINAGE WOULD DEFINITELY BE REQUIRED, BUT I I'D LIKE TO HEAR STAFF'S COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO THAT GOOD EVENING, AGAIN, UH, MAINTENANCE AND MADAM CHAIR, UH, IN TERMS OF DRAINAGE, BE IT MULTI-FAMILY OR INDUSTRIAL, YOU WOULD ASK THEM TO DO A DRAINAGE IMPACT ANALYSIS, AND THERE WOULDN'T BE NEED FOR DETENTION TO MITIGATE THE IMPACTS.
JUST LIKE THERE IS ONE FOR AN INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, JUST SOUTH OF PINE MEADOW DRIVE.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IT IS.
THAT'S AFTER THE PNC FOR ZONING PURPOSES, BUT IN TERMS OF ENGINEERING, WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT GOES THERE, ACCORDINGLY THEY'LL HAVE TO MITIGATE THE IMPACTS BASED ON THE IMPERVIOUS COVER THAT THEY PUT.
UH, WE DO REALIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME DRAINAGE CONCERNS IN THE GENERAL AREA.
THE CITY HAS AN ONGOING PROJECT.
ALL THIS AREA DRAINS DOWN SOUTH INTO WHAT'S CALLED THE ANGELO C DITCH AND THE HUGE DETENTION PONDS, THE BUFFALO RUN PARK THAT WE HAVE THERE.
WE DO HAVE A PROJECT WHERE WE'RE
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CURRENTLY DESIGNING TO WIDEN THE CANGIALOSI DITCH AND THE DETENTION POND THAT'S OUT THERE, UH, TO KIND OF WARM IT UP, SO TO SPEAK, UH, THAT IS, UH, INTENDED TO GENERALLY IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE IN THE AREA.BUT TO SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THE PROPOSED PROJECT, THERE WILL BE A NEED FOR DETENTION PONDS TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT.
SO A HIGH HOPE ADDRESS, THE DRAINAGE QUESTION.
IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON DRAINAGE, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS OTHERWISE.
UH, UH, I CAN, UH, SWITCH TO THE TRAFFIC QUESTION THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
UH, FOR THAT ANSWER, I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THE TIA WILL BE DONE IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC.
UM, NO, THE PLAN SHOWS ACCESS LOOKS, IT LOOKS LIKE, AT LEAST AS FAR AS I CAN TELL GREEN COURT WILL BE THE ONLY ACCESS POINT, BUT, BUT THEN THERE, IF YOU LOOK THERE'S COULD BE ADMIN STREET ALSO, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE CURRENTLY IT CONNECTS TO SOUTH CRAVENS AT ALL.
UH, COMMISSIONER, I THINK, UH, AGAIN, UH, TIA WILL DICTATE WHAT KIND OF CONNECTIVITY WE NEED HERE.
UH, BUT IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT PALOMA BEN DRIVE WILL LEAD TO BE EXTENDED FOR THE REST TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT, MAYBE POSSIBLY, UH, ESTABLISH CONNECTIVITY TO ADAM STREET AS WELL.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF A TIA TO SEE WHAT KIND OF ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S KIND OF TOO PREMATURE FOR ME TO SAY WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING IS, NEEDS TO BE DICTATED BY THE PIA, WHICH WE WILL ASK FOR A SIZE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WITH 102 UNITS, BUT GENERALLY IT'S NOT ASKED OR REQUIRED AT THE PD OR THE REZONINGS, UH, PHASE OF THE PROJECT.
UH, IT WILL COME SOMETHING AFTER THIS.
UM, SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF IS REALLY OUTSIDE OF THE PROJECT.
SO I WOULD D I DEFINITELY WANT TO JUST ENCOURAGE THE RESIDENTS TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE CITY, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN GET SOME HELP ALONG WITH THE FEES THAT ARE BLOWING BECAUSE OF THE, UH, THE LOW LINE ENERGY, UH, BOXES AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND WITH THE DEBRIS AND STUFF THAT'S GROWING OVER THERE, THAT'S OVERGROWN, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ENGINEERING? I HAVE A QUESTION CHAIRMAN.
YOU WERE SAYING THAT THE STREETS WOULD BE CONSIDERED AS FAR AS EXPANDING OR WHITENING, BUT WOULD THAT TAKE PLACE BEFORE THE PROJECT OR AFTERWARDS IF THE TIA DICTATES THAT THE STREETS NEED TO BE EXTENDED, IT'LL BE BEFORE OR CONCURRENTLY WITH THE PROJECT.
AND WITH THE DRAINAGE THAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, THAT THE CITY IS GETTING READY TO DO, DO YOU HAVE A TIMEFRAME AS TO WHEN THAT WILL START? WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE DESIGN PHASE POSSIBLY SOMETIME NEXT YEAR, NEXT YEAR.
ALRIGHTY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS.
WE APPRECIATE THAT WHEN ONE PERSON DID ASK ABOUT THE TIMELINE FOR THIS PROJECT, I BELIEVE THEY SAID BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR, OKAY.
JENNIFER, IN REGARDS TO THE TIMELINE, THEY WILL HAVE UP TO FIVE YEARS TO COMPLETE IT.
IF THE ZONING IS APPROVED, UM, IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES THE ORDINANCE FOR THE ZONING, THEN THAT'S A PLAN THAT'S APPROVED.
UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THAT COULD BE FLATTING REPLANTING, THE PROPERTIES COMMITTEE PERMIT APPLICATION.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT HAS TO BE TAKEN WITHIN FIVE YEARS TRIGGERS THE NEXT FIVE YEARS FOR THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT.
WITHIN THE REPORT, THE DEVELOPMENT SCHEDULE SAYS THAT THEY HAD TO PAY, ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE COMPLETED ON OR BEFORE DECEMBER 22.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEIR PLAN IS AT LEAST RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT KIND OF CAN GIVE RESIDENTS AN IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE OBVIOUSLY IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WANT TO MOVE PRETTY QUICKLY.
SO WE'VE, IS THERE A MOTION OR WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS HERE? ANYBODY ELSE NEED ANY CLARIFICATION FURTHER? LET'S GET A MOTION FIRST.
CURRENT DESIGNATION, RETAIL WAREHOUSE, AND INDUSTRIAL USE.
BUT I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT IT'S CURRENT DESIGNATION.
ONE OF THESE BUILT UP WAREHOUSES COULD BE BUILT ON THAT PROPERTY, SIMILAR IN SIZE TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING ALONG BELTWAY EIGHT.
I'LL BE AT A SMALLER ONE, BUT HERE'S MY QUESTION.
THERE IS A THOUGHT WITH THE CASE.
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WHAT ABOUT THE, WHAT, IF ANY IMPROVEMENTS MIGHT OCCUR ON THE WAY OF TRAFFIC? THINK OF THE TRUCK TRAFFIC AND THESE KINDS OF DEVELOPMENTS.I MEAN, YOU CAN JUST LOOK RIGHT THERE, USED TO THE PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE SOME DEVELOPMENT HAS OCCURRED, YOU KNOW, DRIVEWAYS AND STREETS.
IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN CURRENT DESIGNATION FOR THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC ALONG? UH, I GUESS IT'S, UH, ADAMS STREET, GREEN COURT CURRENTLY WHAT'S DONE.
IS THAT ON THE DEVELOPERS? I DON'T WANT THE CITY, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S DIFFERENT.
SO IT HAS THE DEVELOPMENTS COME IN.
WE ASKED THE NEC NEXT DEVELOPER TO TAKE THE EXISTING TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, EXISTING TRAFFIC COUNT AND TO UPDATE THE TIA.
AND IF THE TIA DICTATES IMPROVEMENTS, UH, IN THIS, IN THE EXISTING CASE, WHAT HAS BEEN IS ON CRAVENS ROAD, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME TOTAL LEADS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUILT TO HANDLE THE TRUCK TRAFFIC.
NOW, IN THIS CASE, I'M NOT AWARE OF WHAT THE PIA HAS SAID OR WILL SAY IN TERMS OF THE IMPROVEMENTS.
IT MAY BE ESTABLISHING CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN ADAMS AND FAM DR.
UH, SO IT DEPENDS ON THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC.
NOW, IF IT'S INDUSTRIAL, IT'S LIKELY TRUCK TRAFFIC, ALTHOUGH THE VOLUME MAY BE LESS, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT 18 WHEELERS COMING TO THE SITE.
SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT WHERE THE TRUCK TURNING MOMENTS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
BUT IF IT'S, MULTI-FAMILY, YOU'RE POSSIBLY LOOKING AT, UH, INCREASED VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, UM, AT THAT POINT YOU MAY NEED SOME CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN EASTERN WET.
SO THE TIA WILL DICTATE WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS NEEDS TO HAPPEN THERE.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AWAITING.
SO, SO THE TIO WILL ADDRESS THAT.
WHAT IF, IF THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS WHO PAYS FOR THAT, UH, TYPICALLY IT'S THE DEVELOPER.
IF IT'S DRIVEN BY THE DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPER PAYS FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
NOW, IF THE CITY IS LOOKING AT LONG-TERM, UH, WE HAVE TO DO SOME DEVELOPMENTS, THEN WE WILL PAY OUR PRO-RATA SHARE, BUT THE DOWNLOAD DEVELOPER WILL PITCH IN AS WELL.
BUT GENERALLY, IF IT'S A IMPROVEMENT IS DRIVEN BY THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, THE DEVELOPER PAYS FOR IT.
AND IN REGARD TO SAFETY AGAIN, IF IT'S MORE PASSENGER VEHICLE, TOP TRAFFIC, MAYBE THAT'S FRANKLY, IT NEEDS TO MINIMIZE SPEED.
THERE'S A QUESTION WAS RAISED ABOUT THAT QUESTION HAS COME UP AND I THINK WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING A, WHAT WE CALL A SPEED STUDY THERE IN THAT ZONE TO DETERMINE SOME, UH, SOME CONCERNS THAT HAVE COME RECENTLY BECAUSE OF, UH, UH, A FEW PROJECTS.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? MADAM CHAIR, POINT OF CLARIFICATION UP THE WAY IT'S ZONE RIGHT NOW.
WELL BETTER, BUT IT'S A PD PD THAT SAYS IT CAN BE INDUSTRIAL.
THAT CAN BE IN WHICH RELATES TO THE TRUCK TRAFFIC.
SO I GUESS RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS, ON THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
SO THERE, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE LOOKING JUST TO AMEND VD TO ADD THE MULTIFAMILY IN THEIR PLANS, THEY ALSO HAVE A WAREHOUSE ADJACENT TO THAT PROPERTY SHOWN IN THEIR PLANS.
THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR THIS FIVE ACRES 10.
SO NOW FOR MULTIFAMILY, THEY'RE CARVING OFF THAT, UM, I GUESS SOUTHERN, FOR LACK OF A BETTER DIRECTION, UM, PIECE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THIS MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
YOU ANSWERED, YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
I CAN ENVISION THAT NOW, BEFORE THEY'RE GOING WITH THIS.
I GUESS WHAT'S, WHAT'S SO STRANGE TO ME IS WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT WITH END UP BEING IN FRONT OF IT AND KNOW, WE CAN'T REALLY CONSIDER THAT HERE, HANGING HERE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT APARTMENTS.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE APARTMENTS.
SO, SO YOU'VE GOT CRAVEN'S ROAD CODE.
THIS IS THE WHOLE PD, RIGHT? SO IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO CRAVINGS.
AND THEY'RE CARVING OUT THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE TO THE SOUTH, ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK, THE RED BOX.
IN FACT, IN THIS DOC, IN THIS THING, YOU SEE THE RED BOX GOES ALL THROUGH THE CRAVENS.
NOW THEY CAN DO ANYTHING THAT MEETS THOSE STANDARDS IN INDUSTRIAL AND LCS FOR, RIGHT.
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SO THE PART THAT'S THROUGH THE SOUTH SIDE, NOW THEY'RE SAYING THAT PART, THEY WANT TO ADD A DAY CERTIFICATION TO SAY, YEAH, THIS ONE, IT'S THE HATCH, THE DARKER HASH PART, RIGHT.THAT'S WHERE THIS DEVELOP THIS CHANGE SO THAT WE ALREADY KNOW THAT SIDE OF IT IS, IS, UM, PART OF THE PD ALREADY.
UM, THEY CAN DO ANYTHING THAT'S ALLOWED TODAY.
AND, AND THEY'RE SHOWING TRUCK TRAFFIC DOWN, PULL THEM IN DRIVE, UM, OFF OF CRAVENS.
AND, UH, I GUESS OFF OF 90, ALSO, RIGHT ON THE, ON THIS PARTICULAR THING, THEY'RE SHOWING TRUCK ACCESS.
UM, ALONG THAT, ALONG THAT ROAD RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN, AND AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT SHOWING AT LEAST INITIALLY THEY'RE NOT SHOWING CONNECTION TO ADAMS ADAMS. UM, THEY'RE SHOWING ON THEIR DRAWINGS AT LEAST, BUT AS SOON AS HE SAID THAT ONCE A TIA IS DONE, THEY'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO.
WELL, ONE MORE, UM, BEFORE I MAKE THIS MOTION TO TABLE, I THINK YOU CAN SEE WHERE I'M GOING.
THIS ONE IS, CAN WE FIRST SEE, UH, WHAT THE, WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS GOING TO COME BACK AND WHAT YOU CAN IN A PERFECT WORLD? THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES, BUT NO, I HAD TO ACT I'VE NOW FIGURED THAT MAY BE, I NEEDED TO ASK THAT THOUGH.
SO W WE, WE RUN INTO THIS ALL THE TIME.
UM, PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT DRAINAGE.
THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC.
WE HAVE TO RELY ON THE FACT THAT THERE ARE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO ADDRESS THOSE ITEMS. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, IS THIS AN APPROPRIATE THING TO DO IN THIS AREA? AND THOSE ARE CONSIDERATIONS.
BUT AGAIN, IF YOU, IF YOU TRUST THE SYSTEM THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO INDICATE IF THERE'S GOING TO BE TOO MUCH TRAFFIC, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO MITIGATE IT.
AND THAT'S ON THE DEVELOPER, ALL THIS STUFF IS ON THE DEVELOPER, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, THE DRAINAGE THEY'VE ALREADY ENGINEERING HAS ALREADY SAID, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF DETENTION.
THERE'S THERE JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS PARTICULAR AREA, THEY PROBABLY CAN'T AVOID IT.
UM, SO, AND, AND THE, THE DEVELOPER ALREADY, OR THE REPRESENTATIVE ALREADY STATED THAT THEY, THEY KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF HOW BIG, HOW DEEP, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT ACTUALLY IS GOING TO HAVE TO LIE OR ANYTHING YET, BECAUSE THAT ENGINEERING WORK HASN'T BEEN DONE YET.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, WE KIND OF, KIND OF HAVE TO RELY THAT THERE'S SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO ADDRESS THOSE ITEMS VERY WELL SAID, MR. HANEY VERY WELL SAID.
SO THIS IS WHAT'S LAYING BEFORE US ON TONIGHT.
UM, AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A MOTION, WAIT A MINUTE, WE CAN'T DO THAT.
DID WE CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING YET? WE DO THIS, MAN.
PROBABLY WON'T BE ALL RIGHT AT THIS TIME.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THIS AS A FINAL REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION AND FORWARDED ON TO CITY COUNCIL? OKAY.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, FINE.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, OR IN FAVOR, THOSE THAT ARE AGAINST OPPOSED 1, 2, 3, 4, OR A POST.
UM, HOWEVER THE MOTION DOES CARRY.
UM, WE NEED, UH, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
AND SO WHAT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NOW AT THIS POINT, THE, THIS WE'LL MOVE FORWARD ON TO CITY COUNCIL.
THOSE THAT ARE ON TONIGHT, WE DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME BACK AND VOICE YOUR CONCERNS AND, AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SAID ON TONIGHT TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO THEY TOO CAN HEAR YOUR EXPRESS CONCERNS.
ALL WE DO IS JUST SEND A RECOMMENDATION AT THIS STEP.
WE'LL MOVE NOW TO ITEM EIGHT ON THE AGENDA
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AND THIS, UM, WE ALSO HAVE AN UPDATED REPORT FOR THIS AS WELL.[8.A. ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT]
AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 18 BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OF THE CITY OF MISSOURI CITY ZONING ORDINANCE.UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
UM, THIS IS THIS ITEMS ACTUALLY JUST BEING BROUGHT TO YOU GUYS TO, UM, CORRECT AN ERROR THAT WAS MADE, UH, LAST YEAR WHEN THE LAST AMENDMENT TO SECTION 18 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE WAS AMENDED.
UM, IN 2019, THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE AMENDED THE STATE STATUTES REGARDING ZONING BOARDS OF ADJUSTMENT TO CHANGE WHO CAN FILE A CASE AND TO IMPOSE CERTAIN TIMEFRAMES REGARDING THE HEARING PROCESS THAT THOSE CHANGES WERE IN THE MISSOURI CITY CODE WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT THROUGH THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT PROCESS EARLY LAST YEAR, AND EVENTUALLY ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN MAY, 2020, OR SORRY, MARCH, 2020.
UM, WHEN THAT ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED, HOWEVER, UH, DUE TO A DRAFTING ERROR IN THE ORDINANCE, TWO SUBSECTIONS REGARDING THE GRANTING OF VARIANCES IN SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS WERE INVERTEDLY OMITTED FROM THE FINAL PRODUCT.
AND WHILE THE STATE LAW, WHILE THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ACTUALLY DERIVES ITS AUTHORITY TO GRANT VARIANCES FROM THE STATE LAW, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THOSE TWO, UH, SUBSECTIONS BE RESTORED SO THAT IT'S EXPLICIT IN THE CITY CODE AS WELL.
AND, UM, WE SHOULD HAVE A DRAFT FOR YOU SHORTLY.
AND I BELIEVE THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS ON THE, UH, AUGUST, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING AGENDA.
WELL, WE DEFINITELY LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THOSE AMENDMENTS.
UM, SO WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK FOR THEM IN AUGUST.
JENNIFER WANTS TO TALK TO US ABOUT COOKING AND EATING AND SITTING OUTSIDE AND STUFF JUST TO DO SO ALL RIGHT.
[8.B. OUTDOOR COOKING AND SEATING]
YES, I AM.WE'LL DISCUSS POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY OF MISSOURI CITY ZONING ORDINANCE TO ALLOW OUTDOOR COOKING AND SEATING SERVICES.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE MASON AGAIN, AND WE HAVE AN UPDATED REPORT.
MAYBE IT'S JUST AN EXTRA COPY.
UM, SO THE CITY HAS, UH, RECEIVED SEVERAL REQUESTS OVER THE LAST, UH, COUPLE OF MONTHS REGARDING OUTDOOR COOKING AND OUTDOOR SEATING.
UM, THE PREVIOUS PROVISIONS ALLOWED FOR SPECIAL EVENTS TO OCCUR, UH, FOR 14 DAYS, ONCE EVERY SIX MONTHS COUNCIL, UM, RECENTLY ADOPTED A NEW ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR THREE SPECIALISTS, UH, PER WEEK UNTIL THE, UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR.
UM, SO FOR A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND FOR, SORRY, THAT IS SOME OF THE BACKGROUND AND, UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, OUTDOOR SEATING HAS GAINED PROMINENCE THROUGHOUT, UH, THE UNITED STATES DUE TO COVID-19, UM, BECAUSE OF SOCIAL DISTANCES, THIS HAS CAUSED, UH, RESTAURANTS TO RETHINK THEIR MODEL OF BUSINESS AND TO, UH, EXPLORE FLOOR NEW OPPORTUNITIES PROVIDED TO THEM THROUGH THESE OUTDOOR OFFERINGS.
OUTDOOR COOKING HAS BEEN, UM, A STAPLE IN TEXAS AND LOUISIANA VIA BARBECUE.
AND A CRAWFISH BOIL FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS NOW.
UM, YEAH, THIS EXPERIENCE WOULD BE ABLE TO COMPLIMENT THE INDOOR DINING EXPERIENCE AND ALLOW THE RESTAURANTS TO CREATE ANOTHER FACET OF BUSINESS.
UM, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE TYPICAL INDOOR DINING EXPERIENCE THOUGH.
CURRENTLY THESE ARE SOME ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE, UH, TEMPORARY HEALTH PERMIT, INCLUDING THE FOOD INGREDIENTS, BEING SOURCED, UH, FROM AN APPROVED SOURCE AND IN SOUND CONDITION, BEING PREPARED AND PROCESSED AND SERVICE, UM, ON AN APPROVED SURFACE LIKE CONCRETE NOW, ASPHALT, AND THEN THE FOOD ITEMS, UH, APPROVED FROM AN APPROVED SOURCE AGAIN, PROPERLY COVERED AND NEVER STORED ON THEM GROUND.
UM, AND THE FOOD TEMPERATURES BEING IN COLD HOLDS, UH, LOW 41 FAHRENHEIT AND HOT HOLDS ABOVE 130 DEGREES, 35 DEGREES CUTTING IN PREPARATION OF ANY FOOD ITEMS BEING DONE ON CLEAN, SMOOTH, NON, UH, ABSORBENT SURFACES AND
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EMPLOYEES OF THE, UM, BOOTH BEING ALLOWED ONLY IN THAT FOOD PREP AREA, NO CHILDREN.SO FOR SANITATION, THE FOOD HANDLERS WOULD NEED TO WEAR THEIR TYPICAL HAND AND PROTECTION GLOVES.
AND THEN THE HAIR RESTRAINTS IN THE PREP AND SERVICE AREAS WASHING THEIR HANDS.
AND, UH, BEFORE FOOD PREP BEGAN WITH WARM WATER, SO TYPICAL ITEMS, UM, THEY WOULD NEED THEM SEPARATE TUBS FOR WASH, RINSE, AND, UH, SANITIZATION.
AND THEN OF COURSE, SINGLE ITEMS SUCH AS THOSE, A TACO TRUCK OR TACO CUPS THAT YOU'LL GET WHENEVER YOU GO TO THE STORE SOMETIMES, AND THEN HAVING TRASH RECEPTACLES AND FIRE EXTINGUISHERS AND NO TOBACCO USE AS WELL.
SO TO GO OVER, WE WANT TO FIRST, WE WANTED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE HEALTH INSPECTORS.
UM, SO THEIR FEEDBACK ON THIS ITEM, THIS IS ALL PRELIMINARY.
UH, THEY WERE, UH, NOTING, UH, ONE INSPECTION PER WEEK, SO THEY MIGHT NEED FURTHER REVIEW ONCE THEY GET, UM, MORE DETAIL THEY'LL THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO LESS INSPECTIONS OR MORE TO INSPECTIONS DEPENDING ON THE ITEM, HAVING A CERTIFIED FOOD MANAGER ONSITE.
SO THAT ACTUALLY DIFFERS FROM A CERTIFIED FOOD HANDLER.
UM, CERTIFIED FOOD HANDLER DOESN'T REQUIRE AS MUCH TRAINING.
SO THE MANAGER HAVING A FOOD MANAGER ON SITE WOULD HAVE SOMEONE WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPERIENCE.
AND THEN OF COURSE PROVIDING MORE DETAILS AND THEIR HEALTH APPLICATION IN REGARDS TO FOOD PREP AND COOKING, TEMPERATURES AND METHODS OF MAINTAINING SUCH TEMPERATURES.
AND THEN OF COURSE, A CLEANUP PLAN.
SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'D WANT TO CONSIDER IN THE, UH, OUTDOOR COOKING PROCESS.
UM, THAT'S INCLUDING WHAT IS THE INSPECTION PROCESS LOOK LIKE? HOW OFTEN WERE THE APPLICANTS GOING TO DISPOSE OF THE TRASH IN GREECE? HOW CAN WE KEEP THAT GREASE OUT OF SEWERS? UM, DO WE NEED TO MAKE ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE TEXAS FOOD ESTABLISHMENT RULES, UH, PARKING HOW'S THAT GOING TO AFFECT THE OUTDOOR COOKING? IS THAT GOING TO INCREASE THE NEED AT THESE BUSINESSES, UH, SIGNAGE FOR THESE SITES, THEY MIGHT WANT TO HAVE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE EMERGENCY ACCESS, AND THEN OF COURSE, SIDEWALK ACCESS.
SOME PLACES MIGHT HAVE OUTDOOR FOOD TRAILERS THAT THEY CAN HAUL ON AND OFF SITE.
LET'S SAY IF THEY'RE DOING WEEKEND ONLY EVENTS, THIS MIGHT BE EASY WAY TO KEEP THAT, UH, ALTOGETHER AND THEN KEEP IT SAFE AT NIGHT WHEN THEY TAKE IT AWAY.
AND THEN OF COURSE THEIR HOT AND FOOD, UH, HOT AND COLD FOOD STORAGE.
THE CURRENTLY, UH, SUGARLAND HAS SOMETHING SIMILAR.
THEY DO ALLOW FOR, UM, 110 DAY PERIOD.
SO IT'S NOT AN ENTIRE YEAR, BUT THEY DO ALLOW FOR THIS AND IT'S CALLED A TYPE TWO PERMIT AND THEY NEEDED A COMPLETED APPLICATION WITH THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION, SUBMITTED TO THE CITY FOR APPROVAL.
AND IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH ALL STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, NOT EXCEEDING 110 DAYS.
AND, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY MUST TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR ENSURING THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT COMPLIES WITH ALL REQUIRED PERMITS.
AND IF THEY HAVE ANY CHANGES, INCLUDING, UM, WHO THIS IS FOR, LIKE THIS WOULD NOT BE TRANSFORMED, TRANSFERRABLE TO ANOTHER BUSINESS, THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED A BOYD SHOULD THE EVENT PRODUCER CHANGE.
SO NEXT WE KIND OF WANT TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE POSSIBLE OUTDOOR REQUIREMENTS, UM, INCLUDING, UH, A SITE PLAN, DEMONSTRATING THE ABILITY TO MEET ALL THE CRITERIA FOR SUFFICIENT PARKING AND ACCESS TO ENSURE, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY AND ADEQUATE ACCESS FOR LIFE SAFETY VEHICLES ON SITE.
UM, IF IT'S IN A SHOPPING CENTER, YOU WOULD WANT TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO BOTH SIDES.
SHOULD IT BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUSINESSES WITHOUT, UM, STOPPING, UH, TRAFFIC TO EITHER SIDE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, SITE PLAN SHOW WHERE THE HOT AND COLD FOOD STORE, UH, FOOD WILL BE STORED AND PREPARED AND PROCESS ALL IN A SAFE AND SANITARY MANNER.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE, UH, THINGS THAT WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WE'RE DOING THE OUTDOOR COOKING OR TALKING ABOUT AND DISCUSSING IT.
NOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE OUTDOOR SEATING.
UM, SO WE WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER HOW IS THIS BUSINESS GONNA ACCOUNT FOR PARKING SPACES? SOME BUSINESSES HAVE PROPOSED WITHIN THEIR PARKING THAT THEY MAY HAVE, UH, ADDITIONAL SEATING.
WOULD THIS SEATING INCREASE THE, UH, OCCUPANCY LOAD FOR THAT BUSINESS.
AND THEN WE'D WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE WALKWAYS BETWEEN BUSINESSES AND STRIP MALLS ARE CLEAR FOR SAFE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO WALK INTO THE PARK, UH, THE PARKING LOT DRIVE LANES TO ACCESS NEARBY STORES.
AND THEN ARE WE GOING TO REQUIRE, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH ADA FOR THESE, UH, POSSIBLY TEMPORARY OUTDOOR SEATING AREAS? AND HOW WOULD WE DO THAT IN THAT PICTURE, ON THE RIGHT? YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY DO HAVE, UM,
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LIKE THAT WOODEN RAMP.SO THAT IS HOW THEY, UH, ATTEMPT TO MEET SOME OF THE, THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO THESE ARE POSSIBLE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS OUTDOOR SEATING, NOT BLOCKING OR IMPEDING TRAFFIC MORE SPECIFICALLY VEHICULAR NOT, UH, BLOCKING OR IMPEDING THE FLOW, UH, FROM BUILDING EXITS ADJACENT TO THE RESTAURANT THAT IT WOULD BE FOR, UM, COMPLIANT WITH FIRE AND SAFETY CODES, COMPLIANT WITH TABC RULES AND, UH, ALONG WITH THE DEPICTION OF THE STRUCTURE OF BARRICADE TO DELINEATE THE DINING AREA AND PROVIDE PROTECTION TO THE CUSTOMERS.
SO NEXT WE REALLY WANT TO GET, UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONS INPUT AND GUIDANCE, UM, ON HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO APPROACH SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
THIS HAS BEEN TAKEN UP BY CITY COUNCIL AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING, UH, WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS, WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION, AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS THE TIMELINE AND THE NEXT STEPS, UH, PRIOR TO THIS DISCUSSION, WE DO HAVE, UH, CABO BOB'S HERE.
AND, UH, WE HAVE INVITED A COUPLE OF OTHER BUSINESSES, NOT EVERYONE ENDED UP SHOWING UP.
UM, IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM CABO BOB'S OR CABO DOC, SORRY, CABO DOGS, UM, OR RIO JUST WANT TO OPEN UP THE DISCUSSION.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION TOO ABOUT, YEAH.
UM, SO THERE'S PLACES IN THE CITY THAT HAVE OUTDOOR SEATING RIGHT NOW, OF COURSE, ARE THEY NOT, ARE THEY VIOLATING ANY RULES OR B THEY'RE NOT COOKING OUTSIDE? SO I KIND OF VIEW THOSE AS TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE, RIGHT? SO, UH, THERE ARE PROBABLY PLACES WITHOUT DOOR SEATINGS.
THOSE ARE PROBABLY BUILT IN WITH THE ACTUAL RESTAURANT.
THIS WOULD ACTUALLY, UM, EXERCISE THE USE OF THE SIDEWALK AND OR AREA IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESS.
UM, AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, ALSO WITHIN THE ARTS ON THE SIDEWALK, WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT'S ALREADY GOING ON AND BE COOKS AND THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE, UH, PREVIOUSLY PERMITTED.
UM, THEY ALSO MAY BE EXERCISING THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS JUST PASSED, UM, USING THOSE THREE EVENTS PER WEEK.
THERE'S NOT A PROHIBITION OUTSIDE SEATING.
UM, WITH THIS, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS PROVIDING SOME UNIFORM REGULARLY.
SO WHAT WE DID, WHAT I NEED TO DO IS BACK UP AND FIND OUT WHERE IS THIS COMING FROM? SHORTER, THIS GUY COMING TO TALK TO US, BECAUSE WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS, AS A WAY IT WAS STARTED IN THE EXPLANATION IS, IS THIS IS AN EXTENSION OF EXISTING RESTAURANT FACILITIES GOING IN OUT MORE INTO A PUBLIC SPACE, OR ARE THEY, ARE, IS IT THE ABILITY FROM A HEALTH HEALTH ASPECT TO CONTROL OUTDOOR EATING AND OR COOKIE? BECAUSE WE HAVE FOOD TRUCKS, WE HAVE FOOD COURTS WE'VE ALREADY DEALT WITH.
NOW WE HAVE OUTDOOR SEATING FOR RESTAURANTS IT'S ALREADY CONTROLLED.
SO WHAT IS THIS? THIS IS FOR THE ALLOWANCE OF LIKE MORE SUCH EVENTS WHERE WE'RE CONTROLLING THE EVENTS RIGHT NOW TO 14 DAYS, EVERY SIX MONTHS OF THIS WOULD BE MORE EVENTS.
UM, SO NOT THE EXACT SAME THING AS PERMANENT OUTDOOR SEATING, BUT POSSIBLY LIKE LET'S SAY EVERY WEEKEND EVENT SHOULD BUSINESSES OR, UH, WHOEVER CHOOSE IF IT'S ALLOWED BY COMMISSION AND APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
SO THIS IS FOR ALREADY ESTABLISHED BUSINESSES, BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESS IN THAT TRUCK.
SO LET ME HEAR WHY THIS IS COMING TO YOU AS A RESULT OF THE PANDEMIC AND JENNIFER, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
CAN YOU, PART OF WHY THIS IS COMING TO YOU IS AS A RESULT OF THE PANDEMIC, UM, SOME OF THE, UM, BUSINESSES REACHED OUT TO THE CITY THROUGHOUT LAST YEAR, UM, AS, UH, THE STAGGARD OPENINGS WERE OCCURRING.
UM, SO WHEN THERE WERE LIMITATIONS ON, UM, YOU KNOW, OCCUPANT SEE, UM, WITHIN THEIR RESTAURANT SPACES, UM, SO IT WAS KIND OF BORN OUT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR FLEXIBILITY TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, GREATER CT, UM, FOR SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES.
UM, AND THEN, UH, OTHER BUSINESSES APPROACHED IN TERMS OF LOOKING FOR FLEXIBILITY IN PROVIDING FOR LIKE TEMPORARY PROVISIONS FOR, UH, COOKING FACILITIES THAT MAY NOT BE TIED DOWN, UH, WITH THEIR, THEIR, THEIR RESTAURANT AREA ITSELF.
SO IT'S, IT'S BORN OUT OF THE PANDEMIC.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF GUIDED US THROUGH THIS.
BUT I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY GOT FOOD TRUCKS STUFF GOING ON, WHICH COVERS TRAILERS AND ALL THAT DON'T WE, OR DO WE NOT? DO WE GET THE FOOD TRUCK STUFF STRAIGHTENED OUT? SO WE ARE STILL WORKING.
SO I THINK WITH THIS KNOWS THAT AS CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED ORDINANCE THAT ALASKA FOOD TRUCKS HERE, UM, AT THE CITY HALL CAMPUS,
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UM, WE ARE WORKING A COUNCIL IS WORKING ON AN EVENT RIGHT NOW TO KICK THAT OFF.UM, BUT THAT, THAT KIND OF STOPPED HARDEST SESSION IN TERMS OF CITYWIDE.
SO LOOKING AT WHAT, UM, HOW THAT WOULD OPERATE HERE AT CITY HALL AND THEN LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES, UM, ACROSS THE CITY FROM THERE.
SO RIGHT NOW THAT CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF PERMANENT REGULATIONS, PAUSE, YEAH.
TO ME THAT THIS IS ALMOST ALL THE SAME ISSUE.
I MEAN, WHETHER, WHETHER THEY'RE COOKING STRAIGHT ON THE GROUND, THEY'RE COOKING IN A TRUCK AND THEY'RE NOT IN A SANCTIONED AREA.
THEY'RE NOT IN, OR NOT IN A CONTROL, FULLY CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, WHETHER IT'S A TRUCK OR UNDER A COVER, WHY DON'T WE PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER AND ADDRESS IT AND GET IT DONE? I MEAN, BECAUSE, AND AGAIN, IF YOU'RE ASKING ME FOR MY FEEDBACK AS WELL, I ALWAYS GO BACK TO THIS AS WE GET THIS STUFF THAT COMES FROM COUNCIL, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE IT GOES FROM.
WHY ARE YOU COMING TO US? I MEAN, IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO HAVE A FOOD COURT OUT WHERE THEY CAN COOK EXTERNALLY, LET'S CALL IT WHAT IT IS.
IF WE'RE ALLOWING A RESTAURANT TO EXTEND SEATING, TO HELP THEM OUT, BECAUSE THE TAN DEMIC WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT.
SO AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, ARE WE ALLOWING DIFFERENT BUSINESSES TO COME IN AND SEASONALLY SET UP AND COOK LIKE A BIGGER PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? AND THEN THEY CAN COOK IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T JIVE.
IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M STRUGGLING WITH IT.
AND BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE SESSION, UM, IS LOOKING.
AND SO PART OF IT IS HEARING FROM, YOU KNOW, HOW BUSINESSES ARE OPERATING, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY TO BUSINESSES PARDON, UH, PROTECTION, UM, THAT THAT'S WHAT THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW.
BUT WE HAVE HAD BUSINESSES THAT HAVE APPROACHED ASKING FOR THIS FLEXIBILITY, UM, IN TERMS OF OUTDOOR COOKIE, THE CITY'S REGULATIONS RIGHT NOW LIMIT THEM IN TERMS OF HOW OFTEN THEY DO THAT.
UM, AND SO THIS WOULD BE A, A PATH THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT PROVIDING THAT FLEXIBILITY.
UM, BUT THAT INPUT IS PART OF THE CARBURETOR.
SO YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW WE PROHIBIT THEM FROM DOING OUTDOOR COOKING.
SO IT'S NOT PROHIBITED WHAT IT FALLS UNDER IS UNDER A SPECIAL EVENT.
SO THEY GET LIMITED IN TERMS OF HOW FREQUENT, UM, AND THE LINK.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING FROM THE FOOD TRUCK STANDPOINT WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THAT WITH WHAT TWO YEARS, AT LEAST, OR PRIOR TO COVID EVEN, BUT IT WAS TRYING TO GET IT ALL PUT TOGETHER, MAKE SENSE TO MAKE IT BETTER.
I GET WHAT MR RIDEWELL IS SAYING.
UM, IT JUST, ALL THESE THINGS KEEP POPPING UP ON US LIKE THIS, AND WE JUST NEED TO KIND OF PUT THEM, PUT THEM TO BED AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
I THINK ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT THEY'RE TRYING, TRYING TO DO HERE ON TODAY, WHICH, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A GOOD THING.
AND I, IF IT GOES RIGHT, I SAW WHERE IT WOULD ALSO PROVIDE A PROVISION WHERE, UH, FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS WOULD BE ABLE TO USE SOME OF THE PARKING LOT SPACE, UH, FOR OUTDOOR DINING AND OUTDOOR EATING.
THAT'S A DIFFERENT BALL GAME ALTOGETHER, OTHER THAN FOOD TRUCKS.
AND, UM, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT WE HAVE SO MANY PARKING LOTS HERE, AND IT'S SO MUCH VAST SPACE THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE SOME OF THE SPACE TAKEN UP WITH SOME VITAL USE AND ALSO MAKING IT MORE INTO A WALKABILITY.
I THINK WHAT MASON IS BRINGING BEFORE US ON TONIGHT IS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME TYPE OF DIALOGUE AND DISCUSSION AS TO HOW THAT, UH, WOULD FEEL HAVING SAID THAT LET'S HEAR FROM MR. CABO DOG.
UM, CAN, CAN YOU GIVE US JUST A HIGH LEVEL, BRIEF OVERVIEW? UH, YES.
UH, COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US, UH, THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, BASICALLY WHENEVER, UM, HEATHER AND I APPROACHED CITY COUNCIL WITH THIS, CAN YOU SAY WHAT YOUR NAME IS? OH, CHRIS MORRIS.
UM, UH, I'M WITH COUPLE OF DOGS, A LOUNGE AND GRILL.
WE'RE LOCATED AT 7 0 2 2 HIGHWAY SIX AT THE CORNER OF HIGHWAY SIX AND OLD ROAD.
UM, BASICALLY WHENEVER HEATHER AND I INTRODUCED AN APPROACH CITY COUNCIL WITH THIS, IT'S, IT'S MORE ABOUT GETTING COMMUNITY TOGETHER AS FAR AS LIKE EATING OUTSIDE.
UM, I, I REMEMBER GROWING UP AND I THINK THAT WE STILL HAVE IT IN THE CITY TODAY IS THE, UH, NATIONAL NIGHT OUT WHERE EVERYBODY'S SET OUTSIDE.
UM, THERE'S STILL PEOPLE VERY, UM, UM, INTIMIDATED BY GOING INSIDE THE ESTABLISHMENT.
UM, WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN THE PRECAUTION TO ADDING UV PROTECTION TO OUR HVAC SYSTEM THAT DISINFECTS 99.1% OF ALL AIRBORNE PATHOGENS, UH, COVERED RELATED, BUT PEOPLE STILL ARE VERY HESITANT TO STILL GO AROUND OTHER PEOPLE.
AND IF THEY'RE ABLE TO SIT OUTSIDE WHERE WE CAN SET UP BARRIERS AND BE TABC CERTIFIED, UH, ALL THE COMPLIANCE OF SETTING BARRIERS UP AND, AND CHAIRS AND TABLES OUTSIDE, UM, DURING CRAWFISH SEASON, WE BULL CRAWFISH EVERY SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, AND I'M GOING THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND.
UM, OR EVEN IF WE'RE DOING IT BY WEEKLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING IN 70, 75 HOURS A WEEK AS, AS BUSINESS OWNERS AND, UH, TO BE ABLE TO
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HAVE MY CRAWFISH REP CALL ME ON A MONDAY AFTER THE WEEKEND AND SAY, HEY MAN, I'VE GOT 20, UM, FACTS OF CRAWFISH LEFT.I'LL SELL THEM TO YOU FOR 75 CENTS A POUND RIGHT NOW INSTEAD OF 2 25 WITH THEM WHERE WE CAN HAVE A BLOWOUT CRAWFISH AND CREATE REVENUE ON A TWO ON A SLOW TUESDAY IN A SUBURBAN AREA LIKE THIS FOR US.
UM, ALSO HELPS, YOU KNOW, OTHER ESTABLISHMENT ESTABLISHMENTS AS WELL.
AND, UH, I MEAN, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ABOUT AS FAR AS, UM, HOW THIS CAN IMPROVE OR NOT.
I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO SOME QUESTIONS FROM Y'ALL.
I THINK I HEARD SOMETHING VERY KEY FROM YOU CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, THE WAY OUR PERMITTING SYSTEM IS SET UP.
AS FAR AS THE, UM, W WHAT SUGARLAND DOES THE 110 DAYS, THAT'S A, THAT'S A THIRD OF EVERY YEAR.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT TIMELINE, SUSAN, IT'S SEASONAL.
RIGHT? SO IF I WANT TO, IF THAT GIVES ME THE OPTION AS A BUSINESS OWNER, IF I ONLY WANT TO DO CRAWFISH SEASON, THEN I'VE GOT MY 110 DAYS.
I CAN PULL THAT AND THEN COME AND INSPECT ME.
YOU, YOU WOULD LIKE, BECAUSE WE FOLLOW ALL GUIDELINES AND WORST CASE YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOUR TIMES A YEAR INSTEAD OF YEAH, THAT IS RIGHT.
WHY CAN'T WE HANDLE THAT? SO IT'S NOT A BARRIER.
UM, SO YOU HAVE THE ZONING REGULATIONS AT THE HEALTH OF PERMANENTS ARE THEN TIED TO AS WELL.
SO THE ZONING REGULATIONS RIGHT NOW, SO THE PROPERTY STILL HAS TO BE COMPLIANT WITH PHONY.
SO RIGHT NOW, THIS USE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, FALLS INTO, UM, IT, IT AFFECTS DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
SO THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIRED FOR WHERE, WHATEVER THE PROPERTY IS, UM, THE DURATION BY WHICH THEY CAN HOLD THESE EVENTS, THAT'S WHERE FOOD TRUCKS ARE FALLING IN RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO IF THERE IS A DESIRE TO PROVIDE THAT FLEXIBILITY, THERE DOES NEED TO BE A CHANGE TO THE ZONING REGULATIONS.
I HAVE A CONCERN OF THIS OUTDOOR CITY SEATING AND EATING, AFFECTING OTHERS, ET SAVAGE MINTS, BECAUSE, AND I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN.
YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BE TAKEN UP OTHER BUSINESS SPACE, PARKING IN A FEW YEARS WITH THAT.
SO HOW WOULD THAT BE HANDLED? AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING, RIGHT? SO THOSE, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE BETTER.
UM, WHAT WE WOULD, SO THIS IS THE FIRST STEP.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE INITIAL INPUT.
UH, WE WOULD COME BACK WITH, UH, START, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT REGULATIONS STARTING NEXT MONTH.
UM, AND SO WE'LL START LOOKING AT WHAT THE EXISTING REGULATIONS ARE, UM, AND THE WAYS THAT WE COULD MODIFY OR AMEND THOSE REGULATIONS, UM, TO PROVIDE THE FLEXIBILITY.
BUT AS WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, PRELIMINARY REPORT, I DON'T BEFORE FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS COUNSEL, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT.
AND I LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING BECAUSE I'M NEAR, UH, YOUR RESTAURANT AND A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, I THINK YOU GUYS HAD A, UM, W WE ACTUALLY HAD A PROMISE COOK-OFF YEAH.
AND YOU HAD THE WHITE TENTS AND YOU HAD A NICE SIZE CROWD.
THE CHALLENGE THAT I HAD IS THAT THE WAY THAT IT WAS POSITIONED IS ON THE SIDE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
AND SO TRAFFIC WAS LIMITED AS FAR AS DRIVING DOWN THAT PARTICULAR LANE, BECAUSE YOU, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR GUESTS WERE SO FAR OUT THAT IT WAS BLOCKING TRAFFIC, WHICH WAS REALLY, I FELT LIKE COULD HAVE BEEN, UH, A SAFETY, UH, TYPE OF A CHALLENGE.
SO WHAT GLORIA IS SAYING, MY CONCERN WOULD BE IF IT'S OUTDOORS AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, TAKING PARKING SPACE, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT OTHER BUSINESSES? HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE LOCK THAT YOU ON? BECAUSE YOU HAD A NICE, UH, VERY NICE, UH, CROWD OUT THERE, BUT EVEN AS I WAS DRIVING DOWN THERE, CAUSE I WAS CURIOUS WHAT WAS ON.
I HAD TO REALLY BE CAREFUL IN MANEUVERING MY CAR BECAUSE THE TABLES AND WHAT HAVE YOU, WE'RE SO FAR OUT IN THAT PARTICULAR PATHWAY.
MY OTHER CONCERN IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING OUTDOOR SEATING AND COOKING RIGHT NOW, THE CITY HAS OUTDOOR SEATING.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY CITY HAS IT.
IT'S IT'S THEY STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE REGULATIONS.
SO THERE'S NOT A PROHIBITION BECAUSE A LOT OF BUSINESSES ARE DOING OUTDOOR SEATING.
AND I'M, I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND, ARE WE SAYING TO PUT OUTDOOR COOKING ALONG WITH OUTDOOR SEATING AT THIS POINT? SO IT'S, WELL, RIGHT NOW IT'S BEING PRESENTED AS DISCUSSION.
WE HAVEN'T MOVED FORWARD YET ON REGULATIONS THEMSELVES.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR NEXT STEP IS TO LOOK AT WHAT THESE ARE.
WELL, IF WE'RE DOING OUTDOOR TO CONSIDER OUTDOOR COOKING, I,
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I, UH, WOULD ADVISE PEOPLE TO LOOK AT ANOTHER RESTAURANT IN HOUSTON THAT WAS DOING OUTDOOR COOKING.AND THE NEIGHBORS IN THAT AREA START COMPLAINING ABOUT THE AIR QUALITY.
AND IT BECAME A BIG CONCERN BECAUSE THEY WERE, YEAH, THEY WERE SMOKING THEIR TURKEYS LIKE TWO AND THREE IN THE MORNING, AND IT REALLY AFFECTED THE AIR QUALITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I CAUTION OUTDOOR COOKING, UH, BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCES BECAUSE IT BECAME A REALLY BIG ISSUE WITH THE CITY AND WITH THE EPA, THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENT GOT INVOLVED IN ALL OF THAT, WHICH, WHICH IS GREAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS SO THAT AS YOU GUYS ARE TAKING IT BACK TO BRING US SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, THEN WE KNOW THAT IF ANY TYPE OF OUTDOOR COOKING WOULD BE CONSIDERED, IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE LIMITED PROBABLY DURING CERTAIN TIMES.
AND, AND SOME OF THE FOOD IS EVEN IF IT'S IN THE KITCHEN OR OUTSIDE, IT STILL GOES STRAIGHT UP THROUGH THE VENT HOOD AND JUST DIRECTLY OUT, OUT INTO THE EAR.
IF YOU, IF YOU PASS BY MY RESTAURANT RIGHT NOW, AND YOU'RE IN THE SAME, YOU KNOW, IN THE PARKING LOT, YOU'RE GOING TO SMELL THE HEAT OF MEAT.
YOU'RE GOING TO SMELL, YOU KNOW, CHICKEN AND EVERYTHING ON THE GRILL.
THE QUALITY IS GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT QUALITY AS SUPPOSE NOW SIDE.
AND ONE OF MY OTHER THINGS, AND I KNOW WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING THIS FOR TONIGHT, IS THAT I'M WORKING SOMETHING OUT WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I DO KNOW FROM A CURRENT BUSINESS IN MISSOURI CITY ON HOW WE SIX, WHEN THEY'RE OPEN THE BUSINESS NEXT TO IT HAVE ISSUES WITH FOLKS PARKING WHEN THEY CALL IN THEIR PARKING SPACE, TAKING UP SPACE.
SO THAT'S WHERE I MET THIS EFFECT, UH, OTHER ESTABLISHMENT BUSINESSES AND THINGS AROUND THERE.
I MEAN, CAUSE THEY STAND OUTSIDE.
YOU KNOW? SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY PUT IN SOME OF OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, TO STIPULATE, IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO HAVE, UH, AN OUTDOOR EVENT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE USING SPACE OR WHATEVER, MAYBE WE MAY HAVE, I HATE THE WORD RESTRICT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO RESTRICT IT TO MAYBE CERTAIN SPACES, CERTAIN TIME, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THAT, I'M SURE IF I, IF THERE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT USING THE PARKING SPACES FOR, FOR DINING OR SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WELL, IF THEY USE, IF THEY USE THEIR PARKING SPACE FOR DINING, THAT MEANS IT'S GOING TO BE LESS PACED PARKING SPACE FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS.
THE EXAMPLE I THOUGHT YOU GAVE WAS JUST WHEN SOMEBODY HAD AN EVENT AND PEOPLE WERE TAKEN UP ALL THE PARKING SPOTS, RIGHT.
AND THEIR NEIGHBORS CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S SURE IN THAT CASE, IT'S ON THE BUSINESS OWNER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE PROPER, PROPER PARKING AND EVERYTHING FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT WITH YOUR LANDLORD.
I MEAN, OUR LANDLORD ATTENDED OUR LAST, OUR LAST COOK-OFF.
AND I MEAN, IN, IN WHAT WE DID ON THE, ON THE ROAD PART WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHERE IT WAS A LITTLE TIGHT, WE ACTUALLY BLOCKED THAT COMPLETELY OFF FOR THE KIDS TO THROW THE FOOTBALL.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, ACTUALLY CAME AND CHECKED OUT THE COOK-OFF AND WAS PLAYING CATCH WITH THE KIDS RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY.
AND IT WAS, IT WAS A GOOD, AND IT WAS, UH, IT, IT FELT LIKE THINGS WERE GETTING BACK TO NORMAL AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY REALLY WANTS AND NEEDS.
AND, UM, AS FAR AS THE PERMITTING GOES FOR ME TO PUT UP ONE 10 BY 10 TENT, ONE CRAWFISH POT IN A, IN A PROPANE TANK, I HAVE TO PULL JENNIFER, WHAT IS IT ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE PERMITS? WELL, SO WHAT, WHAT, UH, CHRIS IS DESCRIBING IS RIGHT NOW IS IT'S THE SPECIAL EVENT.
SO, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY HAVE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S, UM, NON-PROFITS OR BUSINESSES, IT HOLDS ONE SPECIALLY PIT, UM, EVERY SIX MONTHS, UM, WHAT IS A SIX MONTH PERIOD? UM, NO MORE THAN 14 SPECULATIVE DAYS, UM, FOR THAT ONE SPECIAL EVENT.
UM, SO, UH, WITH THAT, THEY CAN PULL A TEMPORARY HEALTH PERMIT, UM, THAT A HEALTH INSPECTOR WILL COME OUT DURING THAT EVENT TO INSPECT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR FOOD PREPARATION, FOOD STORAGE, ALL OF THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT EVENT.
UM, THE CITY COUNCIL PASSED A EMERGENCY ORDINANCE, UM, LAST MONTH THAT RELAXED THE DURATION AND RELAXED, UH, FREQUENCY OF EVENTS.
UM, AS WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, UH, TO SEE IF WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES TO OUR, OUR PERMANENT, UH, REGULATIONS.
UM, SO THAT HAS PROVIDED SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR BUSINESSES.
UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY UNLESS WE, UH, MAKE CHANGES AND PROVIDE THAT FLEXIBILITY, THAT
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IT WOULD STILL BE CONSIDERED A SPECIALTY BIT LIMITED TO THE DURATION AND LIMITED TO THE, AND I'M SORRY, I GOT TO, I GOT OFF THE TOPIC A LITTLE BIT AS FAR AS LIKE OUR SPECIAL EVENTS, LIKE OUR CRAWFISH COOK-OFF AND OUR BOCA GOLF THAT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, MONTHS BEFORE THAT WE DID PULL A SPECIAL PERMIT, UM, UM, APPLICATION.AND WE PULLED ALL OF OUR SPECIAL PERMITS FOR THAT AS FAR AS JUST A REGULAR SATURDAY, NO EVENT GOING ON OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IF I WANT TO BOIL CRAWFISH WITH MY COOKER OUT FRONT, I HAVE TO PULL FOUR TO FIVE PERMITS TO PUT UP ONE 10 BY 10 TENT, ONE CRAWFISH POT, AND IN INAPPRO PAIN TANK.
AND THROUGHOUT THE WEEKEND, IT ENDS UP COSTING US ABOUT 150 BUCKS.
YOU TIMES THAT BY, BY FOUR, BY FOUR WEEKENDS, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT 600 BUCKS AND THAT'S MY PROFIT FOR ONE DAY QUESTION IS WHY ARE WE LETTING HEB AND KROGER IN OUR BELTS TO THAT? THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
I MEAN, WHENEVER I WALK INTO AGB IN FRONT OF SIENNA, IT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE BOILING OUT IN FRONT OF THEIR PLACE AND THEY'VE GOT AND EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LOOK, THE BOTTOM LINE IS I'M ALL PRO BUSINESS, BUT THE THING IS, IS IF WE TURN ON A DIAMOND AND NOT ADDRESS THE THING HOLISTICALLY ACROSS THE BOARD, AND WE JUST PECK AT IT AS WE GO, IT DOESN'T EVENTUALLY MAKE IT WHERE ANOTHER CHRIS AND HIS WIFE CAN COME IN AND LOOK AT THAT AS A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY, RIGHT.
WE'RE JUST TURNING AND BURN FOR THEM, BUT WE'RE NOT TAKING ACROSS THE BOARD.
LIKE I SAID, TO DEAL WITH THE FOOD TRUCKS, DEAL WITH THE PARKING DEAL, WITH THE LOAD WALKING STUFF THAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE LAST FEW MONTHS, THAT'S GOING TO HIT ON HIGHWAY SIX, YOU KNOW, W W WE GOT TO GET A HANDLE ON IT.
AND BETWEEN YOU AND ME, MY, MY OBJECTION TO THIS IS THIS COMES UP AT THE END OF THESE MEETINGS, AND WE'VE GOT 10 OR 15 MINUTES TO DISCUSS IT WITH NO DATA.
SO AGAIN, MY RECOMMENDATION IS, IF YOU WANT MORE FROM ME, WE NEED A WORKSHOP.
AND IT NEEDS TO BE SAT DOWN WITH COUNCIL AND SOME OF THESE GUYS, AND HOPEFULLY MORE THAN YOU, CHRIS AND YOUR WIFE, SOMEBODY ELSE TOO, THAT'S INTERESTED.
AND WE NEEDED, WE NEEDED TO GO THROUGH THIS.
AND THE OTHER THING TO ME IS, IS I NEED TO BE CLEAR HOW IT'S TIED TO ZONING, BECAUSE AGAIN, JUST LIKE WE TALKED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE'S A POINT WHERE WE CAN'T GET OUTSIDE OUR LAND.
THAT'S NOT OUR THING, RIGHT? SO SOME OF THESE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ARE OUTSIDE OUR LANE, BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE US INVOLVED IN APPROVING ALL THESE THINGS, AGAIN, I'M GOING TO SAY, WE NEED A WORKSHOP AND ON A WORKSHOP, IF I CAN JUST CLARIFY.
SO FOR THE NEXT STEP, THIS PROCESS, THE DISCUSSION IS ARTISTS.
SO FOR THE PROCESS BEFORE HE GETS OUT, SO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, AND CONSIDERING THE PRELIMINARY REPORT, BOTH PUBLIC HEARING THAT, OR A FINAL RULE, I DON'T THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S ADEQUATE TO ADDRESS.
AND WE DID THE SAME THING ON THE FOOD TRUCKS, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT NAUSEUM AND WE STILL HAVEN'T RESOLVED IT.
WE NEED, WE NEED A FACE-TO-FACE WORKSHOP WITH COUNSEL AND WITH INTERESTED PARTIES AND THE GROUP THAT CAN MAKE DECISIONS AND WORK FORWARD AND GET IT ALL OUT ON THE TABLE.
SO THEN WHEN WE DO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, IT'S STREAMLINED, IT DOESN'T TAKE THREE YEARS.
AND HOPEFULLY MY OPINION, IF WE CAN DO THE FOOD TRUCKS AND RESTAURANT TOGETHER AND PEOPLE TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I ENJOY SITTING OUTSIDE, WORKING IN A TRAILER FOR, OKAY, SO FINE.
YOU GRADUATE FROM A, A POT AND THE, THAT, AND NOW YOU HAVE A SMALL TRAILER YOU'RE GONNA PULL OUT HERE AND I CAN COOK A THOUSAND POUNDS.
SO NOW WE'VE GOT ANOTHER THING FOR THAT.
SO BEFORE, LONG, WE'RE SITTING HERE SPINNING OUR WHEELS, AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT REALLY ADDRESSING WHAT YOU GUYS ULTIMATELY NEED TO MAKE SENSE OF FLEXIBILITY FOR THE BUSINESS, OUR COMMUNITY.
BEING IN SMALL BUSINESS, I WOULD JUST LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAXIMIZE MY PROFITS AND NOT BEING RESTRICTED.
SO, I MEAN, IF WE CAN GET THIS DONE THAT YEAH.
IF WE CAN GET THIS DONE, UM, UH, JENNIFER HAS ALL MY CONTACT INFORMATION.
IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE MY CONTACT INFORMATION, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME.
UM, AND THEN IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO SET UP A WORKSHOP, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TRY AND GIVE IT TO OTHER LOCAL BUSINESSES.
AND THAT'S UP TO STAFF AND THEM TO WORK THAT OUT.
THE THING THAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IS NOT TO TIE THIS TO THE PANDEMIC.
WE COULD BE DOING A LOT OF WORK FOR SOMETHING THAT COULD GO AWAY.
NOW, I THINK THAT THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL CASE.
THIS IS A PANDEMIC GRIBBEN RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, HE WOULD DO THIS AND DEMOCRAT, YOU WOULD WANT TO RUN YOUR BUSINESS.
SO WE'VE GOT SOME BUSINESSES AND WE DON'T KNOW THE BUSINESSES THAT CAME TO COUNCIL YET.
WE'VE GOT SOME BUSINESSES, AS YOU ALREADY STATED THAT THEY, THEY WANTED TO HAVE SEATING OUTSIDE BECAUSE THEY COULD ONLY HAVE 25% PEOPLE INSIDE.
THEY SAID, WELL, IF I CAN ADD PEN TABLES OUTSIDE, I CAN FLIP, OR I CAN GET MORE CUSTOMERS.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, IT WAS THAT LONG-TERM THING FOR THEM.
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AGAIN, NOT KNOWING THOSE PEOPLE.I KNOW, YOU KNOW, TRAVELING TO OTHER CITIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I'VE SEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE PICTURES, I'VE SEEN THOSE THINGS.
AND I'VE SEEN THEM WHERE ON THE WEEKENDS, THERE'S NO PARKING, THERE'S NO TRAFFIC ON THAT STREET.
AND, AND I MEAN, THAT'S EVERY WEEKEND, THEY EVEN PUT THE CONCRETE BARRIERS OUT THERE.
AND, UH, AND SOME OF THAT, AGAIN, WAS PANDEMIC DRIVEN, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY WERE DOING THE SAME THING.
THEY, THEY SAID, WELL, WE CAN'T HAVE A FULL RESTAURANT.
THEN IN ORDER FOR US TO SURVIVE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME HUNTER SEATS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD, IS THAT GOING TO GO AWAY FOR THEM? WELL, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE I THINK THAT WILL GO AWAY.
WE'RE BUSINESSES WILL WILL SAY, WELL, I HAVE ENOUGH SEATING.
I ONLY HAVE SO MANY WAITERS AND, YOU KNOW, GOOD LUCK GETTING THEM TODAY.
BUT, UM, TH THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE CAPACITY TO COMPLETELY FILL UP INSIDE AND OUTSIDE.
NOW, SOME WILL, SOME WILL, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL, THEY'LL ADOPT KIND OF A BUSINESS MODEL THAT SAYS WE CAN STILL SUPPORT THEM, BUT, YOU KNOW, TIME WILL TELL ON THAT.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO NOT PLAN FOR THE PANDEMIC ERROR SITUATION.
IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE WORK TO DO THIS AND, AND I'M LISTENING, RIGHT.
WELL, I, I I'LL PUT, I WOULD RATHER US DO AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE AND STOP TELLING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHAT TIME THEY CAN GO TO THE RESTROOM.
THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KIND OF HAVE TO WALK THAT FINE LINE OF REGULATION AND ORDINANCE VERSUS JUST COMMON SENSE.
BUT JENNIFER, I THINK YOU DO NEED TO BRING IT TO US.
HE HELP ACREAGE VISION OF THE CITY AND HOW IT IS GOING TO BE REGULATED, HOW INVITING WE ARE.
WE WANT TO INVITE BUSINESSES HERE.
SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO START PLANNING AND ZONING.
TALK ABOUT IT, DISCUSS IT, BRING IN PROFESSIONALS, AND THEN CARVE OUT WHO WE WANT TO BE AS A CITY AND HOW WE WANT TO REGULATE.
I DON'T WANT TO REGULATE ANYBODY.
AND ALSO, AS FAR AS LIKE THE HEALTH PERMITTING PROCESS, UM, NOT EVERY RESTAURANT IN THE CITY IS GOING TO WANT TO COOK OUTSIDE.
RIGHT? SO, SO IF, IF THERE IS AN OPTION FOR LIKE AN, A BOX, A BOX I'M SOLELY GOING TO COOK INSIDE.
BUT IF I DO HAVE A, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THEY PROMISED TO PULL PERMITS FOR A SPECIAL DAY OF DINNER, IF THEY WANT TO COOK ONE DAY OUTSIDE OR A BEE BOX WITH AN ADDITIONAL COST.
SO THE CITY IS STILL MAKES ITS REVENUE FROM WELL THAT'S TO COVER DOING THE INSPECTIONS.
BUT THE OTHER THING IS, IS WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO HIT THIS.
SO LET ME JUST CLOSE THEM LAST THOUGHT BEFORE I LET EVERYBODY GO HOME AND GO TO SLEEP.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS WE JUST APPROVED WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING.
I THINK IT PASSED THAT, UM, SAWYER YARDS TYPE SETUP.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT PASSED OR WHATEVER IT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED.
SO WE'VE HAD THAT COME TO US WITH ALL THESE TOWN CENTERS AND THAT SAWYER OUR CONCEPT, IT'S GOING TO BE HERE.
AND SO THAT INCLUDES ALL THESE KINDS OF THINGS.
THESE GUYS ARE PUTTING OUT AND TALKING ABOUT, OKAY, WALKABILITY, COOKING, OUTDOORS, BEER PARKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE NEED TO STEP UP AND GET ON TOP OF THAT, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, WE'RE GOING TO STILL BE THE BEDROOM COMMUNITY THAT WE WERE.
WHEN I MOVED HERE IN 86, I WAS BORN HERE IN 86.
I WAS BORN, BUT YOU KNOW, I GET I'M ALL FOR IT.
AND IF WE CAN HELP FROM OUR SIDE, AND LIKE I SAID, I'M WILLING TO PUT IN THE TIME OF COMING OUT ANOTHER NIGHT OR WHATEVER, HAVING A WORKSHOP I'VE TOLD YOU THAT FOR YEARS, I'M OMBRE PROPONENT OF MORE WORKSHOPS.
SO WE CAN FOCUS ON AN ISSUE AND GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE.
AND I THINK THAT'LL MAKE MORE SENSE TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
AND THEN THESE OTHER GUYS THAT DIDN'T SHOW UP THE ANSWER IS YOU WON'T BE PART OF IT, GET UP HERE.
YOU KNOW, AND THEN LIKE SAID, HAVE, HAVE ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONE OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT GROUPS THAT ARE LOOKING AT STUFF LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, COME JOIN US THINGS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, THE LAND PLANNERS OR ALL THESE OTHER GUYS.
WE HAVE LOT, LIKE HE SAID, WE GOT SOME NEW GUYS COME IN HERE, PROFESSIONALS.
THAT COULD BE THE END OF THAT.
AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, UH, THAT, UH, WHEN I THOUGHT I LOVE TO EAT OUTSIDE.
SO SOMETHING COULD BE A RANGE WHERE IT'S DONE IN A WAY IN WHICH IS MUCH MORE COMPLIMENTARY TO ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE AROUND YOU.
WHAT HAVE YOU, I'M LOOKING FORWARD? I THINK THE NEW BUSINESS
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MODEL BECAUSE OF THE COVID IS OUTDOOR DINING.I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO GO AWAY.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO EXPAND.
I THINK WE AS REMISSION, WE JUST NEED TO KNOW HOW DO WE MOLD IT.
THAT WILL FIT IN WHAT WE'RE DOING IN MISSOURI CITY.
UH, SO THAT IT WILL BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY.
IT'S JUST, HOW DO WE DO IT TO MAKE IT COMPATIBLE TO ALL BUSINESSES AND TO BE FRIENDLY TO OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL, LET'S WORK TOGETHER AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALL HERE RIGHT NOW.
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO ME AND FOR THE QUESTIONS AND EVERYTHING.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT, CHRIS.
I APPRECIATE THAT NOW, MASON, UM, THANK, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO US.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS EXCELLENT.
LET ME WRAP IT UP BY SAYING THIS MISS JENNIFER, HOLD ON.
I HEARD EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY SAID HE WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
AND A LONG TIME AGO, WE USED TO HAVE WORKSHOPS LIKE THAT.
AND WE NEED TO GET BACK TO DOING THAT.
THAT'S THAT'S STEP NUMBER ONE.
I UNDERSTAND THE CITY STEPS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE THAT REQUIRE US TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, HAVE A PRELIMINARY THIS, VOTE ON IT AND SEND IT TO COUNCIL.
BUT THAT, THAT TO ME ALWAYS BRINGS US RIGHT BACK TO THESE KNEE JERK REACTIONS BECAUSE WE DON'T GET TO COVER IT ALL.
SO BY US HAVING A WORKSHOP SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, IT WOULD HELP.
SO OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DEFINITELY PLACED IN THE MINUTES IS THAT WE REQUEST A WORKSHOP.
NUMBER TWO, INSIDE OF THAT WORKSHOP, I AM THAT WE CAN FIND A WAY TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO RELAX SOME OF OUR STANDARDS.
THIS IS DEFINITELY A CLEAR CASE OF WHY IN THE WORLD, MISSOURI CITY CANNOT MAKE A DECISION TO LET PEOPLE PUT STUFF OUT ON THE STREETS, JUST IN A QUICK SPLIT DECISION.
WE'VE WATCHED EVERY CITY AROUND US DO IT.
EVERY, THIS MAN JUST SAID, HE'S TRAVELING ALL OVER THE WORLD AND WATCHING PEOPLE EAT OUT IN THE PARKING LOT.
SO AM I, WHY IS IT THAT WE'RE HAVING TO GO THROUGH STEPS ONE THROUGH 13 BEFORE WE COULD JUST SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? SOMEWHERE IN THAT, IN THOSE POLICIES, IT NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES, RELAX OUR STANDARDS AND LET THESE PEOPLE GO ON AND MAKE MONEY.
WE'VE GOT, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS AT ANOTHER EVENT THE OTHER DAY THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH GREAT CONNECTIVITY INTO OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.
THAT'S GREAT, BUT WE WANT TO KEEP THEM HERE.
IF WE AREN'T GIVING THE, THESE BUSINESSES, THE TOOLS THAT THEY NEED IN ORDER TO KEEP THE BUSINESSES HERE AND TO KEEP US WANTING TO STAY HERE FROM US, GOING TO ELSE, PLACES, WE WERE JUST NOT DOING A GOOD JOB.
WE ARE PLANNING AND WE'RE GOING TO START PLANNING.
I'LL TAKE IT IN THE FORM OF EMOTION.
SO, UH, I'LL PUT MY REQUEST IN THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TO WORKSHOP ON THIS WITH ALL THE PARTIES INVOLVED, TO HAVE THAT NEED TO BE INVOLVED WITH THIS, TO WORK IT TOWARDS WHERE WE CAN GET IT TO PLANNING AND ZONING.
I SECOND, I THANK YOU FOR THAT MOTION.
AND A SECOND, MS. LUCAS, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I CALL THE QUESTION.
WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION, SIR? I'M CALLING FOR THIS.
MOTION CARRIES THIS, JENNIFER.
I KNOW YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.
OR, OR WHAT DID YOU PROBABLY WANT IT TO SAY? WE HAVE NO FURTHER BUSINESS IN OUR PER VIEW ON TONIGHT.
THANK YOU, MS. LUCAS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? GO HOME.