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UM, I WANT[1. CALL TO ORDER]
TO WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE JANUARY 12TH, 2022 CITY OF MISSOURI CITY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING TONIGHT.SURPRISINGLY, WE HAVE A FULL SQUAD ON TONIGHT.
WE HAVE NO ONE ABSENT ON TONIGHT.
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IS THERE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE DECEMBER 8TH, 2021 MEETING MINUTES.MAY I HAVE YOUR SECOND? IS THAT OKAY? IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
I'LL MOLLY AND BRIGHTWELL WILL ABSTAIN THAT MOTION CARRIES MOVING RIGHT ALONG REPORTS
[4. REPORTS]
OF THE COMMISSION CHAIRMAN.I JUST WANT TO WISH EVERYONE A HAPPY NEW YEAR.
WASH YOUR HANDS, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
I WAS REMISS, UH, LAST MONTH I WANTED TO MENTION ABOUT THE WONDERFUL TIME AND I HAD EXPERIENCED, I HAD A CANNING THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION CONFERENCE TO GET SOME MORE LORD KNOWS.
THEY TRIED THEIR BEST WITH ME.
I DO WANT TO SAY IIJIMA AT WHAT'S ON OUR STAFF WHO HELPED GUIDE ME THROUGH THAT PROCESS, ESPECIALLY ON THE IT PART OF GETTING CONNECTED.
BUT, UH, IN THE CONFERENCE IN THAT MOST ESTATE CONFERENCE SESSION WAS HELD IN FORT WORTH, TEXAS.
AND IT WAS JUST SO MANY WONDERFUL IDEAS CONCEPTS THAT CAME FORWARD.
IT WAS A TRULY A LEARNING AND A FOND EXPERIENCE FOR ME.
SO I DID WANT TO SHARE THAT AND SAY, THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE A REPORT ON TONIGHT NEXT MONTH.
SEEING NONE WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ON ALONG STAFF REPORTS ON TONIGHT.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET TO MEET TINK.
SO WE'RE GOING TO POSTPONE, HE HAD ANOTHER COMMITMENT THAT CAME UP.
UM, BUT HE WILL, UM, HE'S PLANNING TO BE HERE NEXT MONTH.
UH, SO WE WILL DO THE FORMAL INTRODUCTION.
UH, THINK IS OUR NEW CITY MANAGER OF MR. CHARLES JACKSON.
SO WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ALONG DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT HOUSES.
I, JENNIFER, I DON'T HAVE A REPORT JUST HAPPY NEW YEAR.
LOOK FORWARD TO ANOTHER GREAT YEAR.
HELLO, CITY ENGINEERING, JEREMY.
UH, ENGINEERING HAS NO REPORT, BUT HAPPY NEW YEAR.
WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE, THIS IS A PUBLIC COMMENT TIME.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION IN REGARDS TO THE MATTER THAT IS PREFERABLY NOT ON THE AGENDA, SEEING NONE WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ALONG.
WE'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
ALL ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.ONE, CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR A REVISED CONCEPT PLAN FOR SIANNA THREE E TO CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR A CONCEPT PLAN FOR CM THREE, CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR SIENNA VILLAGE OF BEES CREEK, SECTION 34, CONSIDER AN APPLICATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT MADEIRA MISSOURI CITY FIVE.
CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR A FINAL PLAT FOR CNS SECTION 57 6.
CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR A FINAL PLAT FOR SIENNA SECTION 64 7.
CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR A FINAL PLAT FOR SIANNA SECTION 66 8.
CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR A FINAL PLAN FOR SIENNA APARTMENTS, NINE CONSIDERED APPLICATION FOR A FINAL PLAN FOR INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS PARK AT PIKE.
CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR A FINAL PLAN FOR GRADING ESTATES AND 11.
CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR MENDING PLATES OF LOTS OF SEVEN AND EIGHT BLOCK.
IS THERE A MOTION? THANK YOU, MR. HANEY.
IS THERE A SECOND? THANK YOU, MS. LUCAS, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE AND I AS WELL.
THAT MOTION STANDS IS CARRIED.
[6.B. PARKLAND DEDICATION]
BE A PARKLAND DEDICATION FROM MADEIRA, MISSOURI CITY.[00:05:04]
UM, MANDARA MISSOURI CITY.UH, YOU JUST APPROVED AS PART OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THIS IS THEIR PROPOSAL FOR PARKLAND, UH, DEDICATION.
IT'S A PROPOSED, UH, MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEX, UH, TO THE WEST OF HURRICANE LANE, UH, SOUTH OF, UH, TREMOLO FRESNO ROAD, UH, JUST TO THE WEST OF HIGHTOWER HIGH SCHOOL LOCATION.
SO IT'S ABOUT A 15 ACRE TRACT, UM, STANDARD MULTIFAMILY CONSTRUCTION IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
UM, YOU HAVE, UH, THE PARKS BOARD RECOMMENDATION THAT'S INCLUDED.
THEY ARE PROPOSING TO PAY CASH IN LIEU OF PARKLAND FEES.
UH, THE PARKS BOARD IS, UH, FORWARDING A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR THE ACCEPTANCE OF CASH.
AND THAT WOULD GO INTO THE ACQUISITION OR MAINTENANCE OF PARK FACILITIES WITHIN THAT PARK ZONE.
UH, SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO YOU IS TO APPROVE PARK SPORT RECOMMENDATION FORWARD IT ON TO CITY COUNCIL, MAKE A MOTION.
ANY DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES AS WELL.
[7.A. PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT – BRAKE CHECK, SIENNA]
ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS, THIS'LL BE FOR PD BREAK CHECK SIENNA.SO ALSO BE A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST TO REQUEST TO ZONE AND APPROXIMATE 0.8153 ACRE TRACT OF LAND TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
SO THIS APPLICATION IS ACTUALLY FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UM, IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR, UH, SPECIFICALLY TO LOCATE, UH, A BRAKE CHECK, UM, IN THIS AREA.
UM, THE AREA IS SHOWN ON THE AERIAL MAP.
SO IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS LOCATION, IT'S JUST WHERE TRAMMELL FRESNO INTERSECTS WITH HIGHWAY SIX AND THERE USED TO BE A GOODWILL LOCATION IN THE BUILDING NEXT TO THE SITE.
THIS TRACT IS UNDEVELOPED, IT'S NEVER BEEN IMPROVED.
UH, SO THIS COMPANY IS LOOKING TO PURCHASE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY JUST UNDER AN ACRE, UH, TO LOCATE A OIL CHANGE FACILITY.
THE REASON WHY THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A ZONING AMENDMENT IS BECAUSE, UH, THAT PROPERTY, AS WELL AS THE OLD GOODWILL SITE IS ZONED , WHICH IS, UH, LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING.
IT DOESN'T PERMIT AUTO, UH, USES WITHIN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, SO THE PLACES THAT YOU SEE ALONG HIGHWAY SIX, THE TAKE FIVE OILS, UM, AND SIMILAR TYPES OF BUSINESSES ARE IN ZONING DESIGNATIONS OF L C3 WHERE THEY'RE PERMITTED, UM, AS A USE BY, RIGHT.
UM, SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THIS IS INSTEAD OF ZONING, JUST THAT LITTLE PIECE THAT EL C3, UM, TO, UH, ZONE IT TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UH, TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW THE LC TWO USES AND THEN TO EXPAND THE USES, UH, TO ALLOW FOR THE AUTO, UM, ADULT OIL CHANGE FACILITY.
UH, THERE AREN'T ANY DEVIATIONS.
THE APPLICANT HAS MADE REVISIONS, UH, TO MEET THE OTHER REGULATIONS OF THE LC TWO DISTRICT, UM, EXCEPT FOR THE USE, UH, THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO PERMIT AT THIS LOCATION.
UM, SO FOR THE MOST PART IS STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE, UH, THE CREATION OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
AND AGAIN, TO ALLOW FOR THE AUTOMOBILE SERVICE BUSINESS AT THIS LOCATION FIRST.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, SO IT'S, IT'S BLACK IN THE OREO OR ON THE AREAS THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE THE LOCATION, BUT WHERE YOU SEE THAT TRIANGLE WHERE THE SUBJECT SITE IS POINTING, UM, IS THE LOCATION IN QUESTION.
SO THERE SHOULD BE A SONY MAP EXPERT IN YOUR PACKETS.
SO THIS LAST PAGE, SO YOU SEE THAT THERE'S A RED LC TO RIGHT HERE.
AND SO, SO THAT, THAT REFERENCES, SO THAT DARK RED COLOR, OKAY.
SO THEN THAT DARK RED COLOR IS THE CURRENT ZONING.
SO, UH, YOU SEE THE DARK RED COLOR
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ALL THE WAY TO WHERE TREMOR FRESNO ROAD IS NORTH OF HIGHWAY SIX.SO THAT DARK RED INCLUDES THE OLD GOODWILL PROPERTY AND THEN, UH, THE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY NEXT TO IT.
SO THAT UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY, IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN HIGHWAY SIX, YOU'LL PROBABLY MISS IT BECAUSE YOU'LL DRIVE BY IT PRETTY QUICKLY.
UM, BUT IT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN AN ACRE THAT THIS BUSINESS IS LOOKING TO PURCHASE AND LOCATE PUT A OIL CHANGE FACILITY ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO THE ZONING THAT DARK RED ZONING DESIGNATION DOESN'T WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR THEM TO LOCATE AN OIL CHANGE OR ANY KIND OF AUTOMOBILE TIRE SERVICES, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, TRANSMISSION.
IT WOULDN'T ALLOW FOR THAT TYPE OF USE.
THE REQUEST HERE IS TO, UH, ZONE IT AS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
AND THEN THAT USE WOULD BE ADDED TO THE USES PERMITTED ON THAT PROPERTY.
ALL OTHER STANDARDS WOULD REMAIN SO BUFFER YARDS, LANDSCAPING ALONG HIGHWAY SIX, SCREENING, UM, SCREENING OF MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, PARKING SETBACKS, ALL OF THOSE, UH, REGULATIONS WOULD REMAIN AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET AND COMPLY WITH THOSE STANDARDS.
ARE THERE ANY, UM, E EITHER RESIDENTS, UH, ARE A BUSINESS OWNERS WHO HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS THAT THEY MAY HAVE OUT WITH US? SO PUBLIC NOTICE WAS MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
SO IT, UM, FROM A RESIDENTIAL END, IF YOU SEE THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, JUST TO, UH, ON THE BACK SIDE, THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THOSE RESIDENTS THAT IMMEDIATELY BACK UP, WOULD'VE RECEIVED A MAIL NOTICE, UH, TO THEIR HOME.
UM, TODAY I THINK A GEMMA PASSED OUT A SUPPORT LETTER RECEIVED.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A RESIDENT OR IF IT'S A NON-RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY RESPONSE THAT WE'VE RECEIVED AS, UM, UH, TO THOSE NOTICES.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, BRAKE CHECKS.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A DISPOSAL OF BRAKE FLUID.
AND SO WHERE WOULD THAT GO? BUT I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A REPRESENTATIVE, ARE YOU FROM, OKAY, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU A QUESTION.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S A BRAKE CHECK FACILITY.
I WAS JUST WONDERING, WHERE IS THE DISPOSAL OF THE BRAKE FLUID GOING TO GO, WHAT ACCOMMODATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE? SO FOR THOSE OF Y'ALL AREN'T HI, MY NAME IS PATRICK GRAHAM PLEASURE TO MEET YOU ON, UM, UH, BRAKE CHECKS BEEN, UH, TEXAS ZONE, TEXAS FAMILY OWNED COMPANY FOR OVER 50 YEARS.
THERE'S PRETTY PICTURE OF IT RIGHT THERE.
SO, UH, 50 YEARS IN TEXAS, UM, THEY, THEY HAD ADHERE TO ALL ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS AS TERMS OF DISPOSAL OF THAT.
THEY HAVE A WASTE OIL IS PROTECTED.
THEY HAVE A COMPANY THAT COMES IN AND TAKES ANY OF THEIR, UH, EXCESS OILS AND TRANSPORTS IT OFFSITE.
UM, THEY FOLLOW GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT DISPOSING OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, ON THE PROPERTY OR WHERE IT WOULD LEACH OUT INTO ANYTHING.
ALSO THEY'VE HAD STUDIES DONE.
THEY DO A LOT OF WORK IN AUSTIN AND IN SAN ANTONIO WHERE THEY HAVE THE AQUIFERS, IF A NUMBER OF STUDIES THAT HAVE DONE AND FOR WHAT THEIR SPECIFIC KIND OF CHEMICALS THAT THEY'RE INTO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY LIKE LOW LEVEL.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT WOULD REALLY, EVEN IF IT GOT INTO ANYTHING, IT WOULD, MY UNDERSTANDING IS CAUSING THE ISSUES.
SO, UH, BUT THEY, THEY ADHERE TO ALL GUIDELINES TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S BEING TAKEN CARE OF ON THEIR FACILITIES.
AND I'M, I'M IN, UH, I'M THEIR REAL ESTATE.
SO I'M NOT IN THE OPERATIONS, BUT I'VE WORKED WITH THEM FOR 17 YEARS.
I KNOW VERY WELL, VERY GOOD FAMILY.
DOES THE CITY HAVE IN PLACE ANY, ANY WAY TO CHECK, TO REGULATE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, ANY SPILL OFF OR WHAT HAVE YOU IS NOT CONTAMINATING THIS AREA? THIS IS KITTY HOLLOW PART.
SO I'M THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S VEGETATION THERE, UH, WILDLIFE AND WHAT HAVE YOU, SO WHAT DOES THE CITY HAVE IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ABIDING BY CITIES ORDINANCE AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED? OH, GOOD, GOOD THOUGHT.
UM, SO THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS, UM, WHERE, SO THE ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS THAT, UM, WERE JUST SPOKEN OF, UM, ARE FACTORED INTO THE PERMITTING PROCESS AS WELL.
UM, SO WITH THE PLAN SET THAT THEY SUBMIT, THEY'LL HAVE TO SUBMIT, UM, HOW, UH, YOU KNOW, STORAGE AND CONTAINMENT OF CHEMICALS, ANYTHING THAT'S, UH, STORED UNDERGROUND, UM, HOW THAT IS STORED ON SITE, HOW IT WILL BE MAINTAINED, UM, ONSITE AS WELL.
UM, SO THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN PLACE.
UM, ALSO, UH, THERE WOULD BE, UM, PERIODIC INSPECTIONS, UM, FROM OUT OF THE FIRE MARSHALL'S OFFICE, PREVENTING CERTAIN TYPES OF
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CHEMICALS IN STORIES, THE INSPECTION PART.WELL, SO I THINK YOU CLARIFIED THE REPORT, READING IT A COUPLE OF TIMES, IT WAS A LITTLE VAGUE ABOUT FLEXIBLE AND THE, AND THE PERMITTED USES WHEN YOU EXPLAINED THAT IT RETAINS THE LC 200 UNDERLYING ZONING, AND WE'RE ONLY ADDING THE, UH, THE AUTOMOTIVE PIECE TO IT.
AND THEN I GUESS THE SECOND PART OF THAT SENTENCE IS ALLOW FOR FLEXIBILITY AND SITE DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S, IT'S MORE ABOUT THE, THE LANDSCAPING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHICH YOU SAID THEY'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED ALL THE CONCERNS IN THE REPORT.
SO THAT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THAT WAS IN FACT, THE CASE.
AND THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE AS TO WHY IT'S GOING TO BE A PD INSTEAD OF A STRAIGHT L C3.
UM, WE DID HEAR A BIT FROM THE APPLICANT.
DID ANYONE ELSE HAVE A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
I DO HAVE ONE LETTER IN A PROTEST IS MR. GEORGE JOSEPH HERE.
UH, SO HE, UM, HIS CONCERN IS THAT, UM, THIS HOME IS JUST BEHIND THE PROPOSED, UH, PLAN AND SOUND AND AIR POLLUTION SHOULD BE AVOIDED IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND SO I KNOW THAT WE HAVE ORDINANCES THAT WOULD PROTECT, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS AND HE IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THAT'S THE QUESTION.
CAUSE I THINK I STATED IT AS A SUPPORT LETTER.
THAT'S THE LETTER THAT I WAS REFERENCING.
SO THAT IS THE PROTEST, A PROTEST LETTER FROM A RESIDENT, MADAM DIRECTOR.
THERE'S A FAIRLY LARGE BUFFER BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND THE RESIDENTIAL IS.
AND UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE THE SITE PLAN ON A SLIDE IT'S INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.
IT DOESN'T HAVE THE, SO THE, THE NOTATION IS THE CITY'S REQUIREMENT IS 20 FEET FROM THE BACK PROPERTY LINE.
AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S NARROW, IT'S SORT OF A SHAPE OF A TRIANGLE.
UM, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF DISTANCE WHERE IT ABUTS THAT RESIDENTIAL.
UM, BUT PRETTY MUCH SO WHERE YOU SEE THE SUBJECT SITE, THE LINE COMING DOWN, UM, IT WOULD LOOK SIMILAR TO THE GOODWILL LAYOUT.
SO IF YOU GO ON, IF YOU'RE IN THAT AREA, YOU'LL SEE THE BRAIN SPACE, UM, THAT GOODWILL, THE GOODWILL SITE, AS IT WOULD BE SOMETHING COMPARABLE TO THAT.
AND THE ONLY ENGINE WOULDN'T BE ON THE, YEAH, I MEAN THE DISTANCE THERE, IT WOULD BE A SHARED ACCESS WITH THE DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S THERE? YOU SAID CROSS ASSETS WITH GOODWILL.
SO I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS CROSS ACCESS THROUGH GOODWILL IF THEY WERE GOING TO ACCESS IT FROM A THANK YOU.
MOTION CARRIES TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE LOCATION OF THE AUTOMOTIVE SERVERS.
IS THERE A SECOND? THE MOTION FAILS.
IS IT ANOTHER MOTION? SEND IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHERE THE SECOND BY BRIGHTWELL.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THAT MOTION DOES CARRY WE'LL MOVE NOW TO ITEM EIGHT, UH, ZONING
[8.A. USE DISTRICTS]
TEXT AMENDMENT USE DISTRICTS.WELL TONIGHT WE'RE JUST GOING TO DISCUSS POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS TO SECTION FIVE ESTABLISHMENTS OF DISTRICTS AND FOUNDRIES AND SECTION SEVEN USE DISTRICTS CONTAINED WITHIN THE CITY OF MISSOURI CITY.
SO STARTING OFF, THIS IS DISCUSSION ON ONLY THERE'S NOTHING PROPOSED.
UM, SO DON'T BE ALARMED BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BACKGROUND MATERIAL.
UM, SO ESSENTIALLY THIS IS A TO KICK OFF A CONVERSATION AND, UM, ASSESSMENT OF OUR EXISTING ZONY, UH, DISTRICTS AND ZONING DESIGNATIONS.
SO PAIRING WITH KIND OF THE PD THAT YOU JUST CONSIDER.
UM, I SEE SOME, UH, QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT ACTION WAS.
UM, WHAT THIS ITEM WOULD DO IS ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP OVER THE YEAR, UM, TO RELOOK AT THE ZONING DISTRICTS, UH,
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THAT THE CITY HAS ADOPTED, UM, RECONSIDER SOME OF THE PURPOSE OF THOSE DISTRICTS, UM, AND USE THIS OPPORTUNITY AS WELL, TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT, UM, WE NEED TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO THOSE DISTRICTS, USE THOSE THAT ARE PERMITTED WITHIN THOSE DISTRICTS OR, UM, UM, OTHER ALLOWANCES PERMITTED BY THOSE DISTRICTS.SO JUST TO GIVE YOU JUST AN OVERALL, AS TO WHAT ARE USE DISTRICT IS TO TERMINOLOGY, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UM, ALL LAND IN THE CITY HAS A ZONING DESIGNATION.
UM, SO THOSE ARE CALLED ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED VIA THE ADOPTED ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO THE CITY ADOPTED ZONING IN 1981, UM, AS LAND EXISTED AT THAT TIME, OR AS LAND WAS BROUGHT INTO THE CITY AS AN ANNEX, UM, AND GREW OVER THE YEARS, EACH PIECE OF PROPERTY LAND IN THE CITY WAS ASSIGNED, UM, A ZONING DISTRICT AND THAT ZONING DISTRICT PROVIDES WHAT THE PERMITTED USES ARE.
SO WHAT CAN BE DEVELOPED, HOW THAT PROPERTY CAN BE USED.
SO FROM SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL HOMES, ALL OF THE HOMES THAT WE LIVE IN WITHIN THE CITY, THERE'S A ZONING DESIGNATION THAT CORRESPONDS TO THAT, THAT ALLOWS US TO USE IT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY PURPOSE OR FOR BUSINESSES.
THERE'S A STONING DESIGNATION THAT CORRESPONDS TO THAT BUSINESS, BEING ABLE TO OPERATE ON THAT LOCATION OR THE QUESTION THAT WE JUST HAD WITH, UH, THE AUTO CARE, UM, THAT ZONING DESIGNATION THERE, UM, PERMITS CERTAIN USES, BUT DID NOT PERMIT, UH, THE AUTOMOBILE USE.
SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS, UM, AND, UH, RECONSIDER WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THOSE DISTRICTS ARE AND THE APPLICABILITY OF THOSE DISTRICTS AS WELL.
UM, WHAT WE ALSO, UM, WHAT TO DO WITH THE ASYLUM AS WELL IS CONSIDER SOME ISSUES, SOME TOUCHY ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD.
UM, SO AS YOU ALL ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH BEING IN THE CITY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, WE HAVE PROPERTIES OUT THERE THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS OCCURRED AROUND THEM.
UM, BUT NO DEVELOPMENT HAS OCCURRED ON, YOU KNOW, THESE LITTLE PIECES OR LARGER PIECES, UM, IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS IN THE CITY AND THEY HAVE ZONING DESIGNATION, THEY HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS.
SO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, ARE ALLOWED TO BUILD OR TO DEVELOP THOSE PROPERTIES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ZONING.
UM, SO SOME OF THE RUBS THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE YEARS, UM, WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF OFFICE WAREHOUSES, OR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, CERTAIN TYPES OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, HAS BEEN WHEN A PROPERTY, MAYBE AN ACRE, YOU KNOW, TWO ACRES OR SO, RIGHT UP AGAINST THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOCATION, UM, A PROPERTY OWNER COMES IN, WANTS TO DEVELOP IT 15 YEARS LATER.
UM, THE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED BY THAT ZONING ARE THE PERMISSIONS THAT THEY HAVE, UM, TO BUILD.
UM, SO THOSE PROPERTIES THINKING ABOUT THE CURRENT CONDITIONS, THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UM, AND TRYING TO SEE IF THAT ZONING OF THOSE LITTLE PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY IS STILL APPLICABLE, UM, TO, UH, THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE CITY AND THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY.
UM, BUT THIS IS PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS, UM, FOR LOOKING AT, UM, THE FUTURE OF THE FUTURE GROWTH OF THE CITY.
UM, SO LIKE I SAID, THIS IS DISCUSSION ONLY THIS IS TO OPEN THE DOOR, PUT IT ON THE TABLE, UM, SO THAT WE CAN START THE PROCESS TO RELOOK AT SOME OF THESE ISSUES.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I'M GOING TO ADD TO THIS DISCUSSION AS WELL IS, UM, UH, AS WE LOOK AT ZONING DISTRICTS, LOOKING AT, UM, ISSUES SUCH AS REDEVELOPMENT.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE REDEVELOPMENT ALONG THE TEXAS PARKWAY FORWARD, OR, UM, THE CARTWRIGHT ROAD CORRIDOR, OR SOME OF OUR OLDER CORRIDORS, UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE HAMPTON CIRCLE OF FONTERRA AND ARC, OR, UH, FONTERRA AND ROAD, UM, LOOKING AT THE ZONING DESIGNATIONS OF SOME OF THOSE PARTS, UM, PROPERTIES AS WELL, AND RE-EVALUATING WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS OR, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED, UM, IS STILL APPLICABLE, UH, TO, UH, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, UM, FOR THOSE PROPERTIES IN QUESTION SO FAR.
SO ARE THE CURRENT ZONING REGULATION DISTRICTS MODELED AFTER ANYTHING? ARE THEY STANDARDIZED AGAINST ANYTHING? I MEAN, ARE WE LOOKING AT LOOKING AT WHAT THE STANDARD IS AND SAYING THAT DOESN'T FIT US OR DID WE CREATE THOSE AND NOW OVER TIME IT'S CHANGED AND MAYBE THEY DON'T FIT US.
SO, SO YES, IT'S, IT'S CONSISTENT ON, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A STANDARD COUNTRYWIDE.
UM, SO THE ZONING THAT THE CITY HAS ADOPTED THE ZONING
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DISTRICTS ARE, UM, MORE SO WHAT WE CALL EUCLIDEAN ZONING, MEANING LIKE SINGLE USE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UH, DISTRICTS.SO SINGLE FAMILY ALLOWS JUST FOR SINGLE FAMILY, NOTHING BEYOND THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS THEY'RE CUMULATIVE, SO THEY INTENT LIKE THEY, UM, INCREASE IN INTENSITY, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GO HIGHER IN THE DISTRICTS AND CONTINUE TO ACCUMULATE MORE USES, BUT IT'S ALL, IT'S NOT COMMERCIAL, IT'S ALL NON-RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, SO THAT'S PRETTY STANDARDIZED.
UM, THE DIFFERENCE WITH MISSOURI CITY ZONING OR ZONING USE DISTRICTS, IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES IS THEY'VE ADOPTED MORE OF THE, UM, WHAT'S CALLED THE, UH, LAND USE CLASSIFICATION CODES.
UM, SO, UM, IT'S A MORE UNIVERSAL KIND OF BROAD, UM, UH, CODING, UM, FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF INDUSTRY OR DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES.
UM, AS OPPOSED TO WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR USE DISTRICTS AND WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKETS, UM, ARE WHAT, UH, WE PROVIDE US THE ZONING QUICK REFERENCE PIE.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ONLY QUICK REFERENCE GUIDE, IT'S JUST LIKE A CHEAT SHEET OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, BUT IT HAS THE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN EACH ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS.
UM, SO IT'S, YOU CAN GET VERY SPECIFIC.
SO LIKE THE SITUATION BEFORE AUTOMOBILE, YOU KNOW, FACILITIES OR AUTOMOBILE REPAIR SHOPS, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC.
SO IF YOU HAVE A TYPE OF USE OR BUSINESS THAT DOESN'T FIT INTO ONE OF THOSE AREAS, THEN YOU HAVE TO INTERPRET, YOU KNOW, ON, UH, THE CITY SIDE WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT FALLS WITHIN THAT MIX.
WHEREAS ON THE MATRIX, YOU HAVE PRETTY MUCH ALL INDUSTRIES THAT FALL INTO VARIOUS TYPES OF CATEGORIES, UM, THAT IT THERE'S IS A CATEGORY FOR MOST ALL LAND USES, UM, THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED.
SO, YES, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BASELINE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE BOOKS.
UM, WE'LL LOOK AT BEST PRACTICES, WHAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES ARE DOING.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY THIS NEEDS TO BE REFLECTIVE OF WHERE MISSOURI CITY, YOU KNOW, WANTS TO BE MOVING IN THE FUTURE, UM, AS LEGALLY, UM, SOUND, UM, WITH THAT, I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, IN EXPLAINING THE PROCESS OF REZONING, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
NUMBER ONE, UH, IN YOUR SCENARIO, FOR INSTANCE, IF BRAKE CHECK HAD BEEN ZONED CORRECTLY, THEN THERE WOULD BE NO REASON FOR HIM TO APPEAR TO ASK FOR A RECLASSIFICATION.
SO UNDER, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.
AND, AND SO ZONING IS PROPERTY RIGHTS.
UM, SO IT'S A TOOL, SO YOU DON'T WANT A CASE WHERE YOU HAVE EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPMENT BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN MAKE AN APPLICATION THAT THEY HAVE TO APPEAR AND GO THROUGH THESE PROCESSES.
UM, SO THERE NEEDS TO BE KIND OF A PLAN WHERE, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU USE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR THE CITY TO CHART OUT WHAT ITS OBJECTIVES ARE, WHAT HIS POLICY IS, HOW IT WANTS TO GROW, WHERE IT WANTS TO GROW.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT WANTS TO LOOK LIKE, THE MIX, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, TIE INTO THE TECH SPACE, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF COMMUNITY IT WANTS TO BE, AND THEN YOU USE ZONING.
SO YOU SAY, OKAY, THESE USES ARE PERMITTED, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THIS DISTRICT.
AND THIS IS WHERE THAT WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE TO GO.
SO WHAT YOU SEE IN, UM, I HAVE A SCREENSHOT OF THE ZONING MAP ON THE SCREEN.
UM, SO THIS IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
UM, AND THERE'S A PDF VERSION, AN INTERACTIVE VERSION, BUT THIS PAIRS WITH THE, UH, ZONING REGULATIONS.
SO EVERY ONE OF THOSE COLORS REPRESENTS A USE DISTRICT, UM, AND USE DISTRICTS THAT PERMIT, UM, YOU KNOW, STARTING, UH, USES TO BE DEVELOPED.
AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CITY'S ZONING MAP, YOU SEE A LOT OF YELLOW, UM, BECAUSE THE CITY WAS DEVELOPED AS MOSTLY A BEDROOM, RIGHT? SO THE YELLOW REPRESENTS THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
SO YOU SEE, UM, JUST KINDA IN THE LAYOUT OF THE CITY WHERE THOSE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL GROWTH HAS HAPPENED.
UM, AND PREVIOUS PHILOSOPHIES, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK INTO THE EIGHTIES WHEN ZONING WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED, I KNOW, UH, SOME OF OUR LONGER-TERM COMMISSIONERS, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR A WHILE.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE METHODOLOGY WAS YOU USE LIKE YOUR MAJOR CORRIDORS, YOU USE YOUR MAJOR ROADS THAT PROVIDE ACCESS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU PUT YOUR COMMERCIAL USES.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THE PURPLE, YOU KNOW, AT THE TOP, THE OFFICE WAREHOUSES THERE, A BUDDING WHERE THE BELTWAY BELTWAY EIGHT DISSECTS THE CITY, UM, CONNECTING OUT TO THE REGION.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE INDUSTRY, UM, WAS PLACED.
UM, SO ALL OF THAT, THE POSITIONING OF THOSE COLORS, THE LAYOUT OF THOSE COLORS FROM ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1981 TO THE AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE, UM, SINCE THEN,
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UM, WERE BASED ON THOSE POLICIES, UM, THAT THE CITY HAD, UM, FOR WHERE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD OCCUR.SO I UNDERSTAND IN THE PAST, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS KIND OF A, A BOOKMARK OR SOME WAY OF DETERMINING HOW TO ZONE VARIOUS AREAS.
I'M HEARING YOU TO SAY THAT WE'RE DOING YOU ARE PROPOSING, ARE DISCUSSING TO GO OUTSIDE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS, TO MAKE SOME AMENDMENTS PERTAINING TO ZONING WITHIN THE CITY.
UH, THINKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE GUIDING DOCUMENTS.
SO AS, AS WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE GOALS THAT ARE IN THERE, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, AND IF THE CONVERSATION, THE PUBLIC INPUT, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND WE MAY ALSO BE LOOKING AT, UM, UH, MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE OTHER THING I'M ASKING, UH, WHAT AND HOW MUCH COMMUNITY INPUT WOULD BE IN THIS REZONING PROCESS.
SO WE ARE GOING TO CREATE THAT.
SO A STANDARD AMENDMENT, AND I KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE PUT ZONI TEXTS AMENDMENTS ON THE AGENDA, IT'S USUALLY WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THE REGULATION WE ARE GOING THROUGH THAT STANDARD PROCESS.
YOU WOULD HOLD TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS HERE BEFORE P AND Z.
UM, SO, UH, WE WOULD START WITH A DISCUSSION THEN, UM, STAFF WOULD GO DO SOME RESEARCH PRESENT TO YOU ALL A PRELIMINARY REPORT THAT CONTAINED RECOMMENDED CHANGES.
YOU ALL WOULD HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, RECEIVE PUBLIC INPUT.
AND THEN IF YOU WERE READY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, WE WOULD COME BACK WITH A FINAL REPORT.
YOU WOULD HOLD ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING, GET MORE INPUT AND THEN MAKE YOUR FINAL RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE IT TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO THAT'S THE STANDARD PROCESS.
UM, THIS PROCESS IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THAT STANDARD PROCESS, AND THERE'S A LOT THAT WE NEED TO IMPACT, UM, AND UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE, UM, AND PUTTING RECOMMENDATIONS OUT THERE TO WHERE WE'RE GOING.
UM, SO WHAT I WOULD IMAGINE US MOVING FORWARD IS STARTING NEXT MONTH IN FEBRUARY, IS LOOKING AT PNC WORK SESSIONS.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN, UH, START TO UNPACK, UM, THE ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU ALL, UM, YOU KNOW, DIRECTIONS THAT YOU ALL WANT, UH, TO CONSIDER.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT THAT SCHEDULE MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
UM, BUT IN THE BEGINNING, I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S JUST A PNC, UH, WORKSHOPS, AND THEN WE WILL HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS.
YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY ZONES RIGHT NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT? YEAH.
SO YOU HAVE, UM, LET'S SEE, I DON'T HAVE IT ON THIS SHEET.
UM, SO THESE ARE ALL THE ZONING DISTRICTS, SO THE LEGEND THAT'S SHOWN RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT'S 1, 2, 3, ALL THE STREETS ON THIS 22, ABOUT 22 DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
AND SO THAT INCLUDES, UH, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, UM, SPECIFIC USE PERMITS, UM, WITHIN THAT AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE BROAD, UM, NUMBER OF CATEGORIES WE HAVE.
DO YOU HAVE A PROJECTED TIME TABLE OF HOW LONG THIS IS GOING TO TAKE? GENERALLY? I WOULD SAY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY ABOUT A SIX MONTH PROCESS.
UM, BUT IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON JUST KIND OF WHERE WE GO.
UM, AND WHAT TYPES OF AMENDMENTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BECAUSE AGAIN, PROCEDURALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE ZONING ORDINANCE HAS BEEN ADOPTED AS LAW.
SO THE PROCESS FOR THAT REQUIRES, UM, A RECOMMENDATION BY P AND Z TO CITY COUNCIL.
IT REQUIRES CITY COUNCIL TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE.
SO PROCESS WISE, THAT'S A FOUR MONTH PROCESS IN AND OF ITSELF.
IT IS WHAT HAPPENS IF I OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND YOU DECIDE TO PUT IT IN A DIFFERENT, YEAH, VERY GOOD QUESTION.
SO, UM, THAT HAS TO BE PART OF OUR ANALYSIS, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE DEALING WITH PROPERTY RIGHTS.
SO A PROPERTY OWNER THAT OWNS PROPERTY, THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED, UM, A CERTAIN WAY.
UM, THE CITY SHOULD NOT GO IN AND DOWN ZONE IT BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING, UM, PERMISSIONS, YOU'RE TAKING RIGHTS AWAY FROM THAT PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT ENCOURAGING THE CITY TO DO MORE CITY INITIATED ZONING, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE ALONGSIDE WITH PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, BUT ANY, ANY AMENDMENT TO A SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY ZONING, UM, NEEDS TO BE IN LINE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THAT THE CITY HAS ESTABLISHED.
THIS IS THE OVERALL DIRECTION THAT THE CITY WANTS TO GO IN FROM A YEAR WHEN YOU FIRST DID THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THERE WERE A LOT OF SECTIONS OF PROPERTY FOR WENT TO A DEFAULT CATEGORY.
NOT JUST, IT WAS A DESIGNATED BECAUSE
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THEY LOOKED AT ALL THE CATEGORIES AND SAID, OH, THIS IS PERFECT FOR THE, YOU KNOW, LARGEST STATE, UH, CATEGORY, BUT YOU JUST DID IT BY DEFAULT.SO THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF THOUGHT THAT WENT IN TO EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY.
SO YES, IT'S LAW, BUT WE KNEW THAT A LOT OF AREA WAS GOING TO COME BEFORE A P AND Z AND SAY, YES, IT WAS DESIGNATED INTO THAT CATEGORY, BUT IT REALLY WASN'T DESIGNATED CATEGORY.
AND THAT WHAT COMMISSIONER O'MALLEY IS TALKING ABOUT IS SO ON THE SCREEN, THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE COLOR CODED GREEN, UM, AND A LOT THAT ARE REMAINING ARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, SOUTH OF HIGHWAY SIX.
UM, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME SPECIFIC USE PERMITS THAT ARE, UH, COLORED PINK, THAT THE UNDERLINING ZONING IS STILL, UM, THAT GREEN F UH, SUBURBAN DISTRICT OF COLOR.
UM, BUT THAT THAT'S OUR AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
THAT'S OUR GENERAL CLASSIFICATION.
SO WHEN THAT PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER MANY YEARS AGO, UM, IT WAS ASSIGNED, CLASSIFIED AS SB, UM, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WHEN AN APPROPRIATE ZONING, UM, WAS DETERMINED THAT IT WOULD BE ZONED, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT.
UM, SO WE DO HAVE STILL, UM, PROPERTIES OUT THERE THAT CARRY THAT DESIGNATION, JENNIFER, OR ARE YOU THINKING MORE IN TERMS OF ADJUSTING PERMITTED USES OR ADJUSTING THE CATEGORY, OR MAYBE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY MR. MOLLY'S CASE WOULD BE, UM, POTENTIALLY FALL INTO EITHER ONE OF THOSE, RIGHT.
I MEAN, AS YOU STATED, WE, WE WOULDN'T KNOWINGLY DOWNGRADE, UM, A DISTRICT.
UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH THOSE SEPARATELY, BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT WHOLESALE CHANGE, UM, AGAIN, IF IT FOLLOWS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE A BETTER ARGUMENT TO DO THAT VERSUS DOWNGRADING OR CHANGING WHAT THE PERMITTED USES ARE IN A PARTICULAR DISTRICT.
BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS LAST DONE IN 2017, AND IT'S ALREADY FIVE YEARS OLD.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THE WAY LAND IS MOVING RIGHT NOW, IT'S CHANGING FASTER THAN WE CAN EVEN KEEP UP WITH.
I THINK THAT ONCE WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'RE GOING TO FIND MORE AND MORE THAT POSSIBLY OUR 2017 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS OUT OF DATE BASED ON THE NEEDS OF THE DEVELOPERS AND THE WAY LAND IS MOVING.
NOW, WE'VE SEEN TOO MANY ISSUES COME BEFORE US, EVEN RIGHT NOW, WHERE THREE STORY TOWN HOMES WANT TO GO IN NEXT DOOR TO ONE STORIES OR THIS AND THAT.
AND I MEAN, WE CAN RIDE ALL OVER HOUSTON AND AUSTIN, DALLAS, AND WHEREVER, AND IT'S HAPPENING, BUT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HANDLE IT HERE.
BUT OUR TWO 17 PLAN DIRECTOR ONLY GO TO CORRIDORS.
THIS IS INSIDE REHABILITATION, REDEVELOPMENT, COUPLE OF MAJOR OLDER CORRIDORS.
SO MY QUESTION TO FOLLOW ON TO THAT IS, ARE WE GOING TO GET OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS THAT CAN HELP WITH THIS? YES, YES.
THE NEXT THING IS BEING HERE FOR AWHILE.
I KNOW THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEWHERE.
I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT NZ HAS SOME WORKSHOPPING ABILITY, NOT JUST FIANCEE IN THE DARK FOR WHAT THE REAL MISSION STATEMENT IS HERE.
WE CAN ALL BE UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO BECAUSE I AGREE KIND OF PINGING HOME, PROPERTY RIGHTS, PROPERTY RIGHTS STATE.
I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT THAT TO BE YOUR BNZ BECAUSE BETWEEN YOU AND ME, PROPERTY RIGHTS, TO SOME EXTENT NOT ARE, BUT WE'RE JUST HERE FOR REASONABLE USE BASED ON OUR ORDERS IS IN PLACE.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN, MY MANTRA IS WE DON'T NEED TO GO OUTSIDE OF WHAT OUR PURVIEW IS, WHICH LOOK AT IT BASED ON THE ZONING LAWS, WHAT IT IS TO BE USED FOR PROPER USE, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL TOGETHER ON IT.
LET'S SEE SOME THINGS WENT ON, LIKE, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT OUT IN THE ROOM
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BILL.AND WE WENT THROUGH THE STUFF ABOUT TRYING TO GET TOWNHOMES THAT WOULD HAVE NOT BEEN AN UNREASONABLE THING NEXT TO NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE'VE GOT PIECES OF PARTS IN BIGGER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE HAD THE ABILITY TO FINALLY GET SOMETHING BUILT THERE THAT WASN'T REALLY BEING MAINTAINED OR UTILIZED AND BECAUSE OF THE ZONING AND IT COULDN'T GET REASONABLE, YOU COULDN'T GET A PROJECT DONE.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT'S PART OF WHAT'S DRIVING THIS ALSO.
SO IT'S GOING TO GO BOTH WAYS.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE CONSIDERATION.
SO IT IS, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING WORK AND IT'S, IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT WHERE, YOU KNOW, AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING AT A FAST PACE.
UM, SO WHAT, YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, COMMISSION DOES WHAT OUR ZONING REGULATIONS DO AS A TOOL IS REALLY SETTING OUT WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE THIS COMMUNITY LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, SO IT'S, RE-EVALUATING THOSE ISSUES.
RE-EVALUATING WHERE THE CITY IS AT.
UM, AND, UH, LOOKING AT THE DIRECTION THAT THE CITY WANTS TO TAKE IT TO THE FUTURE, UH, MR. BARBELLS POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ONLY THE INDIVIDUAL LAND OWNERS, YOU KNOW, RIGHTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
IT'S WHETHER OR NOT WHAT WE MIGHT PROPOSE WOULD INFRINGE UPON OTHER LAND OWNERS.
WHICH IS THE KIND OF EXAMPLE THAT HE BROUGHT UP.
AND SO WE FOUGHT THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE THAT, UM, THAT, THAT CERTAIN, UM, UH, ADJACENT LAND ORDERS, STUFF LIKE THAT, IF THEY OBJECT TO, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN THAT SOMETIMES WE DON'T NECESSARILY MAKE A DECISION THAT IS MAYBE RIGHT FOR THE CITY BASED ON THAT.
AND THAT'S CONTRIBUTED TO SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD WITH IN COMPATIBILITY, YOU KNOW, IN ZONES.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHEN WE DO AMENDMENTS OR WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CONFERENCE TO PLAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, UM, BECAUSE THE FACTORS THAT THE COMMISSION IS CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, WHY DO YOU HAVE ENGINEERING AT THE TABLE? UM, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, UH, DISCIPLINES AT THE TABLE IS BECAUSE WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO IN THE FUTURE? YOU KNOW, WHAT RESOURCES DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE? YOU KNOW, OUR ROAD NETWORK, OUR LAYOUT, OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, UTILITY SITUATION, YOU KNOW, GROWTH OPPORTUNITIES, BUSINESSES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT, UM, DO, DOES THIS LAND USE CONFIGURATION SUPPORT THOSE GOALS? UM, AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THAT WHEN YOU ARE PRESSURED ON A SPECIFIC SITE BY SITE BASIS, WE CAN LOSE FOCUS ON THE BIGGER PICTURE, BUT ULTIMATELY THIS SHOULD BE WORKING TO TAKE US TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE.
UM, IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE HAVE EDC INVOLVED WITH OUR WORKSHOPS OUT OF IT.
AND I LIKE TO PIGGYBACK ON HAVING A MISSION AND OBJECTIVES INSTEAD OF JUST GOING IN AND JUST REVAMPING EVERYTHING.
I, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT BEFORE THE WHOLE PROCESS START THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT HAVING A MISSION OR OBJECTIVE SO THAT WE CAN, UH, ZERO IN ON THAT RATHER THAN INDIVIDUAL NEEDS OR INDIVIDUAL WANTS.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU, THE, THE, EACH ETG JAY'S WOULD ALSO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING, THE ETJ, UM, ISN'T PART OF THAT.
SO THE ZONING DOES NOT EXTEND OUT TO THE ETJ, BUT, UM, IF WE GO INTO THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, IF WE TALK FUTURE LAND USE, THEN THERE MAY BE SOME OVERLAP THERE.
UM, BUT THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF OUR CONVERSATIONS ON THE ZONING USE DISTRICTS, WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK DIRECTLY NAMES ON IT.
AND I KNOW IT'S, IT'S A BIG MATH, UM, SO BIG VIEW, BUT WHEN YOU ZOOM IN, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE STREET.
UM, SO WHAT WE WILL DO, UM, IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS ON HERE IS WE WILL FOLLOW UP TO PAUL THE PERMISSION ON A DATE, UM, THAT, UH, THE MAJORITY IS AVAILABLE FOR THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY, UM, TO DO A FIRST WORK SESSION.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA CAN BE ESTABLISHING, UM, ESSENTIALLY THE ROADMAP, SO YOUR MISSION, UM, AND, UM, UH, THE DIRECTION THAT, UH, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT, UH, FOR THIS PROCESS.
SO, UM, KEEP, UH, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT, UM, THIS ISSUE, UM, KEEP THINKING ABOUT THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP HAVE BEEN POSED TO YOU, UM, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, AND LET'S USE THAT WORKSPACE SESSION TO REALLY,
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UM, PUT TOGETHER, UH, A GAME PLAN FOR TAKING A LOOK AT THIS.SO THESE TRAININGS WILL BE ASKED OUT OF OUR REGULAR MONTHLY MEETINGS.
WE'LL, WE'LL PULL A FEW DAYS, WE'LL SEE WHAT THE MAJORITY AVAILABILITY IS.
UM, SO WE WILL USE THE FEBRUARY MEETING DATE AS, UM, ONE OF THOSE DATES.
UM, BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT THE MAJORITY LOOKS LIKE.
IF WE DO IT ON A REGULAR MEETING DATE, THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY LIKE A SIX O'CLOCK START TIME.
UM, AND THEN THAT WOULD JUST BE AN HOUR, SIX O'CLOCK TO SEVEN O'CLOCK.
UM, UH, IDEALLY FOR THIS TYPE OF SUBJECT, WE PROBABLY WANT TO DO A DIFFERENT DAY SO THAT YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF HOURS TO DISSECT THIS AND THEN GIVE YOU TIME TO COORDINATE WITH PAPA OF, TO THIS ITEM HAS NO ACTION THIS YEAR FOR MEETINGS.
THAT SOUNDS REAL GOOD SANTA FOR, WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS OF JENNIFER ON THAT ITEM? WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO SIGN
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REGULATIONS AND JENNIFER HAS PROMISED TO BE BRIEF WELL, SO I I'LL ACTUALLY COMBINE THIS ONE IN THE NEXT ONE, CAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY SIMILAR TOPICS.SO ESSENTIALLY AGAIN, OPENING THE DOOR, THIS IS DISCUSSION ONLY, UM, BUT, UH, THE ISSUE OF ENFORCEMENT, THE ISSUE OF MAINTENANCE.
UM, SO LOOKING AT WHAT THE CURRENT STANDARDS ARE, UM, LOOKING AT, UM, WHAT TOOLS WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, THE AUTHORITY TO DO IF WE'RE ACTING IN THAT AUTHORITY, IF WE'RE NOT ACTING IN THAT AUTHORITY, UM, OR IF WE NEED THAT AUTHORITY AND WE CAN LEGALLY OBTAIN THAT AUTHORITY, UM, LOOKING AT THOSE TYPES OF STANDARDS.
SO BASELINE, UM, THIS IS FROM THE SIGN ORDINANCE IN PARTICULAR.
SO YOU HAVE REGULATIONS, YOU ADOPTED REGULATIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS, A PROPERTY OWNER HAS GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UM, THEY'VE SUBMITTED PLANS, OR THEY MAY NOT HAVE SUBMITTED PLANS, UM, THAT ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REGULATIONS.
UM, SO SOMEBODY INSTALLS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE, UM, OR SOMEONE IS NOT MAINTAINING SOMETHING IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
WHAT IS THE RECOURSE? WHAT DOES THE CITY DO? WHAT'S THE ABILITY OF THE CITY TO ENFORCE THOSE REGULATIONS? WHAT'S THE TIMELINE, UM, TO OBTAIN, UM, COMPLIANCE WITH REGULATIONS AS A DOCTOR.
UM, SO THIS ITEM IS TO EVALUATE THE REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS TODAY, UM, AND THE WHEEL AND DESIRE OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, FOR THE ENFORCEMENT OF THOSE REGULATIONS, THE TEETH THAT YOU WANT TO PUT INTO PLACE, THE AGGRESSIVENESS THAT YOU WANT TO PUT INTO PLACE IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING THINGS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REGULATIONS THAT YOU'VE ESTABLISHED.
SO AGAIN, GOING BACK TO, YOU KNOW, YOU ESTABLISH THESE REGULATIONS VIA ZONING, UM, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO SEE A CERTAIN TYPE OF COMMUNITY BECAUSE YOU WANT YOUR COMMUNITY TO GROW IN A CERTAIN TYPE OF WAY.
UM, SO THIS IS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ESTABLISHING THOSE REGULATIONS.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW, UM, FOR THE SIGN ORDINANCE, BASICALLY, IF, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SAYING THE FIRE PART OUT LOUD, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, SAY IF SOMEONE FELL TO COMPLY, UM, WITH THE SIGN ORDINANCE INSTALLED, ASSIGN SIGN WITHOUT A PERMIT, UM, OR INSTALL THE SIGN THAT, UH, DIDN'T MEET THE DESIGN CRITERIA OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE, UM, THEN ESSENTIALLY THIS IS THE AUTHORITY GIVEN, UH, VIA THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT IS CONSIDERED AN ILLEGAL SIGN.
UM, AND, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE BUSINESS OWNER, UM, THE TENANT, THE OCCUPANT, WHOEVER IS, IS TIED TO THAT SIGN, UH, COULD BE HELD, UM, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
BUT THIS IS NOT A QUICK PROCESS.
SO THIS IS NOT, UM, A STAFF LEVEL.
THE STAFF CAN GO OUT AND SAY, OKAY, YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE, AND NOW YOU WILL BE FINE.
UM, THIS HAS TO GO THROUGH A DUE PROCESS, UM, UH, TYPE OF A SITUATION.
SO WE USE MUNICIPAL COURT IN MISSOURI CITY WHERE IF THERE'S A VIOLATION OF THIS NATURE, UM, THEN IT WOULD BE CITED, UM, TO COURT, UM, OR TAKING, UM, OTHER, UH, LEGAL ACTION.
UM, BUT IT GOES THROUGH A COURT SYSTEM, A JUDGE, UH, MAKING A DETERMINATION ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IN VIOLATION.
UM, THE OTHER TOOLS THAT, UH, THE CITY CURRENTLY USES IS DOUBLE FEES, DOUBLE PERMIT FEES, UM, ON CERTAIN WORK THAT'S DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT.
UM, IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT OUR FEES, THEY'RE NOMINAL.
UM, SO THE, UM, THE TEETH THAT, THAT HAS, UM, TO GET A BUSINESS TO COMPLY, UH, MAY BE MINIMAL AT BEST.
UM, THE OTHER PART IS, UH, OCCUPANCY.
SO IF IT'S AN ILLEGAL SIGN, THAT'S PUT UP ON A BUILDING AND IT'S TIED TO A NEW BUSINESS
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TRYING TO OPEN OR A NEW BUSINESS TRYING TO OPERATE, OR ANOTHER BUSINESS TRYING TO OPERATE WITHIN THAT SAME PROPERTY.UM, THEN THE OTHER TOOL THAT WE USE IS WITHHOLDING, UM, OCCUPANCY FOR THAT SPACE, UM, OR FOR THAT PROPERTY UNTIL, UM, IT'S COMPLIANT WITH XONE.
UM, SO THOSE, THOSE ARE TYPICALLY THE TOOLS THAT ARE BEING USED TODAY.
UM, HOWEVER, UM, IF THE DESIRE IS, UM, TOO, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE OFFENDERS, UM, OF THAT ORDINANCE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IF THE DESIRE IS TO RELOOK AT THE TOOLBOX THAT THE CITY HAS THE ABILITIES, THE AUTHORITY, UM, THAT THE CITY HAS TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING THINGS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES THAT ARE ADOPTED, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE DOING WITH THIS ITEM.
SO ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC SIGNS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE ALL SIDES OR, WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO CALL OUT ANY BITS IN THE ROCKS SALES OR SIZE OR WHAT, SO I'M NOT GOING TO CALL OUT ANY BUSINESSES, WON'T PUT ANY BUSINESS ON ITS OWN BLAST.
UM, BUT I WILL, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH BUSINESSES WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, LIKE GARAGE SALES ARE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE CITIZENS THAT, YOU KNOW, OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE HOLDING, YOU KNOW, A CELL AT THEIR HOME.
UM, SO, UH, THERE ARE CERTAIN PARAMETERS FOR THOSE TYPES OF SIGNS, UM, THAT THEY CAN PUT OUT IF THEY'RE TRACKED BACK TO, YOU KNOW, AN INDIVIDUAL, UM, THEN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN OCCUPANCY ISSUE BECAUSE THEY ALREADY LIVE IN THE HOME, UM, OR THEY MAY NOT LIVE IN THE CITY AT ALL.
UM, SO THE, THE, THE TOOLS THAT ARE USED THERE, UM, ARE EITHER, USUALLY THOSE ARE LIKE LITTLE SIGNS THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN BE, UM, PICKED UP AND, UM, YOU KNOW, DESTROYED FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
SO PRIMARILY PERMANENT SIGNS OR TEMPORARY SIGNS.
THIS IS YOUR SO CAUSE YOU ALSO HAVE TO WEIGH YEAH.
THE, THE ENFORCEMENT TOOL ITSELF, BECAUSE IF IT IS TEMPORARY, IF IT'S AN EVENT THAT YOU KNOW IS, YEAH, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE MORE TIME TRYING TO ENFORCE IT, UM, THEN IT'S ACTUALLY OUT THERE FOR, BUT YEAH, THOSE, THOSE PERMANENT SIGNS, UM, THAT ARE PLACED, WHETHER THEY'RE PLACED ON BUILDINGS, WHETHER MONUMENTS AREN'T STRUCTURES, EVEN THE, THE, UM, SEMI-PERMANENT TEMPORARY SIGNS THAT YOU SEE THE POSTINGS FOR, LIKE FOR LEASE FOR SALE, UM, THAT THEY PUT ON PROPERTIES.
ALL OF THOSE SIGNS REQUIRE CERTAIN STANDARDS, YOU KNOW, LIMITATION ON NUMBERS, LIMITATION ON SIZE LIMITATION ON PLACEMENT.
UM, SO THEY HAVE TO MEET THESE, THESE REQUIREMENTS.
SO IF SOMEONE GOES OUT THERE AND JUST INSTALLS ONE OF THOSE PLACES, ONE OF THOSE, UM, THEN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WHAT THE CITY'S RECOURSE IS WITH THAT.
AND ENSURING THAT WE HAVE STRONG ENOUGH, UM, T STRONG ENOUGH PROVISION, UM, TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THESE REGULATIONS.
SO JENNIFER, YOU'RE ASKING, WHAT IS THE ACTION PLAN? WHAT ARE YOU ASKING FROM US? SO WHAT I'M ASKING FOR YOU ALL IS WE ARE GOING TO OPEN UP, UM, THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE TODAY.
UM, SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, GOING TO YOUR POINT ON THE MISSION IS UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE CITY'S GOAL IS, OR THE ENFORCEMENT OF REGULATIONS.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE REGULATIONS IF THE CITY CAN'T ENFORCE THOSE REGULATIONS.
SO IF YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THE USE DISTRICTS, UM, USE REGULATIONS.
UM, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ENFORCEMENT ASPECT OF IT IS STRONG ENOUGH LEGAL THAT THE CITY CAN REQUIRE PEOPLE TO DO.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'VE ESTABLISHED ARE WE LIMITED TO JUST SIGNS AND THEN HORSEMEN OF VARIOUS.
SO THAT'S THE TWO ITEMS THAT HAVE SAID WERE SIMILAR.
SO THE NEXT ITEM IS, IS BROADER.
SO SCIENCE IS ONE THAT HAS SPECIFIC ENFORCEMENT REGULATIONS WITHIN THE SIGN OF ORDINANCE, UM, AND THEN BROADLY FOR ANY, YOU KNOW, ZONING REGULATIONS THAT INCLUDES BUILDING PERMITS, BUILDING CONSTRUCTION, UM, SO WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT, UM, YOU KNOW, WORK, THAT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PERMIT.
ALL OF THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE, I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING.
IT WAS SOMETHING I WAS GOING TO BRING IN.
I LEFT MY NOTES ON MY DESK, UH, AND I'M CONCERNED WITH AN ORDINANCE.
THIS IS NOT WITH SIGNS, AS FAR AS THE LIMITATION OF HOMEOWNERS HAVING LIVESTOCK IN THEIR BACKYARDS.
THERE IS AN ORDINANCE OUT THERE, BUT IT'S NOT BEING ENFORCED.
AND WITHIN MISSOURI CITY, THERE HAS BEEN A GROWING NUMBER OF RESIDENTS STARTING TO HAVE LESS STOCK IN THEIR BACKYARD.
AND I WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE CAN ENFORCE THOSE, BECAUSE THOSE, UH, ARE BEING VIOLATED RIGHT NOW AS I SPEAK.
AND SO CAN SOMETHING LIKE THAT BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION WITH THE SCIENCE.
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ONE OF THE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN CERTAIN USE DISTRICTS.SO VIOLATIONS OF THAT, WHAT TOOLS DOES THE CITY HAVE TO ENFORCE THOSE REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE? AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, THE SLIPPERY SLOPE PART OF THAT IS WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY HAS THE RESOURCES TO, AND THAT, AND I SEE IT AS KIND OF, IT'S GOING TO ASK, YOU KNOW, SIGNS ARE ONE THING, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S PROBABLY A LITANY OF OTHER THINGS IN THE ORDINANCES THAT HAVE THAT SAME ISSUE WHERE THAT VIOLATIONS, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A STRONG BASIS FOR DEALING WITH VIOLENCE AND THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY IT.
SO REGULATIONS THAT ARE ADOPTED, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST UNIVERSALLY, WHEN WE DO AMENDMENTS TO ZONING, WHERE ANY OF, YOU KNOW, OUR CODES, UM, REGULATIONS IS WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUDGETS, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESOURCES, GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER FUNDING SOURCES, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE'RE PAIRING IT WITH, UM, THE ABILITY, UH, TO HAVE TOOLS IN PLACE TO HAVE THAT ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE DO, WE DO HAVE CERTAIN THINGS ON THE BOOKS THAT WE DIDN'T LOOK AT IT FROM THE FINANCIAL ASPECT AS WELL.
SO YOU HAVE A DISCONNECT WITH THE ABILITY OF THE CITY TO WARRANT DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR HOMEOWNERS.
ASSOCIATIONS ARE VERY SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU HAVE A RESTRICTION AND PEOPLE DON'T FOLLOW IT.
AND THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION REALLY DOESN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES NECESSARILY TO DEAL WITH IT.
SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? YEAH.
SO SIMILAR ON THE CITY SIDE, BUT THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S, THE CITY HAS RIGHTS, ABILITIES, AUTHORITY MECHANISMS, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE PAIRED.
THEY MAKE SENSE, AND THAT THEY'RE STRONG ENOUGH FOR US TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY THAT WE IMAGINED AND PROTECT THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE CREATING.
WELL, NOW I SEE THERE ARE CERTAIN ORDINANCE IN HOS IN WHICH THE, THE CITY HAS THE RESOURCES AND THE HOA DOES NOT, AND THERE CAN BE MORE OF AN ENFORCEABLE ASPECT OF IT WITH THE CITY DOING, WHICH WOULD LESSEN THE BURDEN ON HOA.
SO THEY DO NOT HAVE TO DO SO MUCH SEWING.
SO I SEE THE CITY HAVING MORE OF A PARTNERSHIP OR MORE OF AN ENFORCEABLE HAND BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE MORE RESOURCES TO HELP HOS WITH ORDINANCES THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS.
AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, UM, BECAUSE, BECAUSE SOME OF THAT IS EDUCATION.
SOME OF THAT IS, IS UNDERSTANDING THE ROLE OF THE CITY, UM, THE FORMATION OF THE HOA, THE, THE ROLE OF PRIVATE RESTRICTIONS, UM, BECAUSE YEAH, THERE DEFINITELY SHOULD BE PARTNERSHIPS, UM, BETWEEN VARIOUS ENTITIES WITHIN THE CITY THAT ALL HAVE AN INTEREST IN, UH, THE ADVANCEMENT OF THE CITY PRESERVATION OF THE CITY, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO YEAH, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.
I'M LOOKING AT THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, BUT PRIMARILY LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE CITY'S CODES AND REGULATIONS, I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS, WILL THIS ALSO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REALLY TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT, UM, THE FINES BECAUSE THE FINES ARE EXTREMELY NOMINAL AND OFTENTIMES WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT MOST PEOPLE PAY THE FINE BECAUSE IT'S NOMINAL.
AND SO, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'LL, WE'LL BRING, UM, THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, UM, SO OUTCOMES, YOU KNOW, UH, VARIOUS, UH, CASES, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF FINES, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE, UH, PAID ANY KIND OF LIENS ON PROPERTIES, UM, AND, UH, THE CITY'S, UM, UH, RECEIPT OF THOSE, UM, LANES, UH, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE JUST WHAT THAT ACTIVITY LEVEL IS.
UM, BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
SO YOU SEE ON THE SIGN SIDE, ON THE ILLEGAL SIGN UP, THINK THE, FIND THAT AFTER THAT, ON THAT SCREEN AND THAT SECTION, I THINK THE FINE IS UP TO $500.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, UM, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT'S ASSESSED, UM, BUT NOT ALL VIOLATIONS, YOU KNOW, A HIGH FINE, IT COULD BE $50.
UM, IT COULD BE AT THE DISCRETION OF, UM, YOU KNOW, A JUDGE OR A JURY.
WHAT ABOUT WARNINGS? ALL ISSUE WARNINGS THE FIRST TIME, A SECOND WARNING, A THIRD WARNING, BECAUSE THAT IS A, THAT ARE NOT DETERMINED.
I MEAN, THEY WOULD OVER AND OVER BECAUSE THEY GET WARNINGS AND NO FINES.
SO PART OF THE PROCESS INCLUDES NOTIFICATION, BUT IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF VIOLATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO LIKE A SITUATION LIKE AN ILLEGAL SIGN BEING PLACED, UM, THE WARNING REALLY IS THE, THE
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PERMIT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS EITHER REVIEWED FOR APPROVAL OR, AND WAS DISAPPROVED, UM, OR THE CITY'S COMMUNICATION IN TERMS OF, UM, THE STATUS OF THAT PERMIT.UM, SO THERE'S NOT, THERE'S, THERE'S A NOTIFICATION PROCESS.
UM, BUT IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT, UM, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN LIKE A PRIVATE HOMEOWNER THAT'S BEING TOLD, YOU KNOW, THAT THEIR GRASS IS TOO HIGH, UM, OR THAT THEY HAVE ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, UM, VIOLATION OF A CITY CODE, UM, ON THEIR PROPERTY.
SO NOTIFICATION IS PART OF THE PROCESS.
UM, BUT IT DOESN'T END AT NOTIFICATION.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS OF JENNIFER? ONE OF MY COMMENTS WOULD BE, I WOULD ASSUME APPLE COMBOS, SOME RISK BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF THE GENERAL ORDINANCES SO WE CAN GET INTO MONETARY PENALTIES.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE DONE THAT OR I WOULDN'T BE LOOKING FOR, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO CALL ME FOR A THOUSAND DOLLARS COST $30.
I'LL BE A LITTLE UPSET IF THERE'S NO OVERALL RISKS, IMPACT SOMETHING TIRE.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO GET OUT THERE TO THAT HIGHLY RECOMMENDED THAT BOTTLE COMMENT TO THAT IS OUR, WE ALSO HAVE ASSISTANCE WITH THIS, OR ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A CONSULTANT ASSISTANCE AS WELL? UM, YEAH, IT'S GOING THROUGH THE STANDARD CONTRACT PROCESS.
SO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, RIGHT.
SO ULTIMATELY I'D LIKE TO SEE US THE FALL.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, WE'D BE FOUR TO SIX MONTHS OUT WITH THIS AS WELL.
AND ARE WE GOING TO RUN ALL THREE OF THESE SIMULTANEOUSLY TOGETHER TRYING TO ACHIEVE THESE GOALS? YEAH.
THE INITIAL WORK SESSION WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL THREE, TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THREE.
UM, AND THEN FROM THERE, WE'LL SEPARATE THEM OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL, IT'LL, IT'LL PROBABLY BE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF TRACKS AT A MINIMUM.
UM, BECAUSE WE USE DISTRICTS ARE GOING TO BE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION, BIGGER CONVERSATION.
UM, AND THEN ENFORCEMENT MAY BE, UM, A LITTLE, UM, I WON'T SAY EASIER TO, UM, TO, UH, TACKLE.
UM, BUT ONCE WE IDENTIFY THE PATH THAT WE WANT TO GO IN, UM, THE INTENSITY OF ENFORCEMENT THAT WE WANT TO APPLY, UM, THOSE REGULATIONS WE'RE LOOKING AT GOING THROUGH THE STANDARD AMENDMENT PROCESS VERY WELL.
ALRIGHTY, THANK YOU SO MUCH TONIGHT.
UM, FOR THE DISCUSSION, WE APPRECIATE IT.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO COMING BACK IN FEBRUARY, UM, DO WATCH YOUR EMAILS JUST IN CASE THEY DECIDE TO SEE IF WE'RE GONNA MAYBE START A WORKSHOP PRIOR TO THE NEXT MEETING.
OTHERWISE WE'LL ANTICIPATE JOINING HERE AT SIX O'CLOCK IN FEBRUARY FOR OUR FIRST, UH, ROUND FOR DINNER WILL BE SERVED.
OF COURSE, DINNER SHALL BE SERVED, AIR PUDDING AND APPLE SAUCE.
WHEN WE STARTED TO CALL THEM TOMORROW, I GOT HIS NUMBER.
WE HAVE NO OTHER MATTERS TONIGHT WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION.
THANK YOU, MS. OVERTON, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.