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[1. CALL TO ORDER]
NOVEMBER 20TH, 2023.WE'LL NOW CALL THE CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING TO ORDER AT 5:37 PM ITEM NUMBER TWO, OUR ROLL CALL OF COUNCIL.
WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF COUNCIL.
[3. PUBLIC COMMENTS]
ARE PUBLIC COMMENTS.DO HAVE ANY PUBLIC, ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK? YES, MR. MAYOR.
MRS. SIRE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
AND ALSO PLEASE ADHERE TO THE THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT.
I'M, UH, REGISTERED OTHER MISSOURI CITY.
I REALIZE THAT THIS THREE MINUTE DIALOGUE IS SET UP TO BE A ONE WAY COMMUNICATION AS OPPOSED TO A, A DEBATE OR TWO-WAY CONVERSATION.
SO, I, I LOOKED THROUGH THE SLIDE DECK BEFORE TONIGHT'S MEETING.
I REALIZED THAT THE, UH, SPECIAL MEETING THAT WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW IS TALKING ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE AND HOW THE, ABOUT 30% OF THE PLANNING IS COMPLETED.
THERE WERE JUST A COUPLE THINGS THAT CAME TO MIND AS I LOOKED THROUGH THE POWERPOINT SLIDE DECK THAT I, I WANTED TO ENCOURAGE PUBLIC WORKS AND OTHER DECISION MAKERS TO KEEP IN MIND.
UM, OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT PRIVY TO WHO'S ON THE CONSULTANT BOARD THAT'S REFERENCED IN THE POWERPOINT SLIDE, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT CONSULTANT BOARD MET WITH RESIDENTS WHO CURRENTLY RESIDE IN ROBINSON ROAD AND ON THE GOLF COURSE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY TOWN HALL MEETINGS.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY WITH, WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE PLANS THAT YOU'LL BE TAKING A LOOK AT TONIGHT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE AND THEY MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES TO BRING TO THE TABLE TO HELP HELP PUBLIC WORKS MAKE A MORE INFORMED DECISION, UH, TO DATE.
I, I'M NOT AWARE OF THE QUAIL VALLEY FUND, HOA, HAVING ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN, UH, DISCUSSED ABOUT THE, UH, GOLF COURSE AND KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THE WALL.
BUT AS FAR AS, UH, HEARING OTHER PERSPECTIVES FROM THE, THE HOA, UH, THAT HASN'T HAPPENED TO DATE, BUT I REALIZE THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO HAVE THAT IN BEFORE YEAR END.
UM, I ENCOURAGE PUBLIC WORKS TO BE, UH, CAUTIOUS WITH CHANGING THE, THE GRADING OF THE, UH, EXISTING, UM, LEVEL OF, OF THE GOLF COURSE.
UH, OBVIOUSLY EARLIER THIS SUMMER, THERE WAS A FORT BEND HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN THAT THE CITY FILED WITH, WITH FEMA THAT INCLUDED SOME DISCUSSION WHEN IT CAME TO DEGRADING AND, AND OTHER ISSUES WHEN IT COMES TO FLOODING AND MITIGATING THAT IN, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, SPECIFICALLY I'M THINKING ABOUT OYSTER CREEK FLAT BANK CREEK IN THE BRAZOS, UH, RIVER OBVI.
THERE'S SOME DEBATE IN THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT BACKFLOW PROBLEMS BEING, UH, EXISTING THAT, THAT ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING REMEDIATED.
UH, THERE ARE DEAD TREES ON THE GOLF COURSE.
UM, I THINK PLANTING MORE TREES WILL HELP PREVENT WASHOUT.
I REALIZE THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT REMOVING THE WALL BEFORE YEAR END.
UM, I'VE HEARD SOME DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT GOLF BALLS WILL FLY ACROSS THE ROAD, UM, BECAUSE THAT WALL IS NO LONGER THERE.
SO I ENCOURAGE PUBLIC WORKS TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS THEY MOVE FORWARD IF THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY.
ANYONE ELSE? UH, MR. MAYOR, THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
[(a) Receive Staff Report/Presentation - Proposed amendments to various City ordinances, including animals, fine enhancements, code enforcement abatement, and solicitation.]
FOUR IS STAFF REPORTS AND PRESENTATION FOUR A TO RECEIVE STAFF REPORT, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO VARIOUS CITY ORDINANCES, INCLUDING ANIMALS, FINE ENHANCEMENT, COURT ENFORCEMENT ABATEMENT, AND SOLICITATION IMO, CITY ATTORNEY.HI, GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE REPORT ON SOME PROPOSED ORDINANCES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED AT YOUR OCTOBER 18TH MEETING.
IF YOU ALL ARE OKAY WITH THESE ORDINANCES, WHAT I WILL DO IS GET WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND HAVE THESE PLACED ON THE DECEMBER 4TH COUNCIL MEETING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THESE ITEMS SPEAK TO YOUR STRATEGIC GOALS OF CREATING A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE IN DEVELOPING A HIGH PERFORMANCE TEAM.
THE CITY MANAGER HAS COMMENTED ON, UH, EACH ONE OF THESE FOUR ORDINANCES.
SHE HAS PROVIDED POSITIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE ITEMS THAT RELATE SPECIFICALLY TO OPERATIONAL MEASURES, AND OF COURSE, UH, HAS LEFT THE, UH, ITEM THAT'S WITHIN YOUR DISCRETION AND, UH, NOT REALLY OPERATIONAL, UH, TO YOUR DISCRETION.
THE FIRST PROPOSED ORDINANCE RELATES TO DANGEROUS ANIMALS.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, YOU RECEIVED SEVERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS AND ALSO HELD A WORKSHOP RELATED TO A DANGEROUS DOG.
SPECIFICALLY, THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE WOULD CREATE A NEW DEFINITION OF DANGEROUS DOGS THAT WOULD, UH, INCLUDE A DOG THAT CAUSES INJURY NOT ONLY TO HUMANS, BUT ALSO, UH, SERIOUS INJURY TO OTHER DOGS AS WELL AS DEATH TO OTHER DOGS.
UH, THE THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE ALSO CREATES A NUISANCE BASED ON ODOR, UH, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE ODOR IS CAUSED BY AN ACCUMULATION OF WASTE AND INCREASES THE INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR DANGEROUS DOGS FROM $100,000 TO $500,000 IF A DOG IS FOUND TO BE DANGEROUS.
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IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, BUT THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES.IF YOU ALL, UM, ARE OKAY WITH MOVING FORWARD ON THIS, THEN THIS CAN BE PLACED ON YOUR DECEMBER 4TH, UM, MEETING AGENDA.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR ANY, CAN WE, CAN WE GET YOU TO FINISH SO THIS WAY WE CAN KEEP THE CASE OH, SURE.
THE NEXT PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS RELATED TO FINE ENHANCEMENTS.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, YOU ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD CREATE MINIMUM FINES FOR CERTAIN CODE VIOLATIONS.
THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE ADDS THE, UH, ANIMAL REGULATIONS ORDINANCES.
YOU ALL HAVE SEEN A LOT OF, UH, COMMENTS RELATED TO ANIMALS.
UM, BUT THIS CREATES MINIMUM FINES FOR VIOLATIONS OF THE CITY'S ANIMAL REGULATIONS.
AND IT ALSO EXTENDS THE TIMEFRAME FOR THOSE REGULATIONS, UH, FOR THE MINIMUM REGULATIONS FROM 12 MONTHS TO 24 MONTHS.
THAT MEANS THAT THE CITY HAS, DEPENDING ON, UH, WHETHER A PERSON HAS REPEATED VIOLATIONS, THERE'S MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO ASSESS ENHANCED FINES IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS OF THE CODE.
THE NEXT PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS A NO SOLICITATION REGISTRY.
THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES A NO SOLICITATION REGISTRY IN MISSOURI CITY, AND IT PROHIBITS A PERSON THAT IS REGISTERED AS, AS A SOLICITOR WITH A CITY FROM ENTERING A PROPERTY WHOSE ADDRESS IS ON THAT NO SOLICITATION REGISTRY.
SO THAT PERSON, IF THEY WENT ONTO A PROPERTY THAT'S ON THE REGISTRY, THEY WOULD OR COULD BE ASSESSED A FINE, UH, FOR VIOLATING THE CITY'S CODE.
THE NEXT PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ABATEMENT ORDINANCE.
AND THIS, UH, ORDINANCE SIMPLY REDUCES THE TIMELINE FOR ABATEMENT, UH, BY THE CITY FROM 10 DAYS TO SEVEN DAYS.
I'VE GONE THROUGH THESE RELATIVELY QUICKLY, HOWEVER, YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THESE BEFORE.
AGAIN, THESE WERE ON THE OCTOBER 18TH, UM, SPECIAL MEETING AGENDA.
AND OF THE ORDINANCES THAT WERE DISCUSSED, THESE ARE KIND OF THE LOW HANGING FRUIT THAT HAVE BEEN KIND OF TALKED ABOUT, UH, AND HAVE KIND OF GONE THROUGH, UM, ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS OR THEY'RE, UH, FAIRLY SIMPLE TO IMPLEMENT.
UH, SO WITH THAT, I WILL, I'M HAPPY TO OBTAIN YOUR FEEDBACK AND FIND OUT IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD ON ONE OR SOME OF THESE PROPOSED ORDINANCES.
UH, RECOGNIZING COUNCIL MEMBER
SO YES, THERE'S A GROUP OF, OR WHERE ARE SEVERAL GROUPS THAT CAN SOLICIT ALARM COMPANIES? UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE OTHER ONES.
SO IF YOU'RE ON A NON REGISTER ON YOUR REGISTERED, CAN THEY STILL? SO UNFORTUNATELY, UM, THAT STATE LAW, STATE LAW ALLOWS ALARM, UH, COMPANIES TO SOLICIT WITHOUT GETTING AUTHORIZATION.
THEREFORE, THE CITY ORDINANCE CANNOT TRUMP THAT STATE LAW.
SO THERE ARE CERTAIN GROUPS ADDITIONAL.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE SOME GROUPS THAT ARE PROTECTED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT THAT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO, UM, GET REGISTRATIONS FROM.
THERE ARE SOME GROUPS THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO, UH, HOLD TO THIS NO SOLICITATION REGISTRY.
BUT FOR THOSE ENTITIES AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO REGISTER WITH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, THOSE GROUPS, UH, WOULD BE HELD, UH, TO ACCOUNT UNDER THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
YEAH, AND I WANTED TO GET THAT ON RECORD 'CAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT.
AND THEN JUST TO COMMENT, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK AND ALL THE CITIZENS RESIDENTS THAT CAME TO THE WORKSHOP FOR THE DOG ORDINANCE, BECAUSE WE GOT SOME GREAT INPUT.
SO I WANT TO THANK THE PUBLIC FOR THAT.
RECOGNIZING COUNCIL MEMBER BONY.
UM, I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS ON THE NON-SOLICITATION REGISTRY AND PIGGYBACK, UM, RELATIVE TO THE ALARM COMPANIES OR THOSE THAT ARE AUTHORIZED BY STATE LAW, FIRST OF ALL, WHO'S OVERSEEING I GUESS THE REPORTING AND WHEN PEOPLE, I GUESS SAY OR REPORT THAT SOMEONE SOLICITED THEM, UH, ILLEGALLY PER THIS ORDINANCE? SO INDIVIDUALS, I BELIEVE AT TIMES CALL THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
SOMETIMES THEY CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, BUT FOR THE, LIKE, LET'S SAY THE ALARM COMPANY, THEY ARE LICENSED, UH, REGISTERED WITH THE STATE.
SO WE WOULDN'T, UH, THE CITY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY.
I GUESS MY, SOMETIMES THESE RESIDENTS ARE NOT GONNA KNOW THAT IF THEY SEE SOMEONE SOLICITING THEM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, AND WE PUT THIS OUT, I GUESS WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE TO THE RESIDENTS WHO'S ALLOWED TO ACTUALLY SOLICIT, UH, SO THAT WE DON'T GET THIS, UH, OVERABUNDANCE OF CALLS AND GET INUNDATED.
STAFF GETS INUNDATED OR CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED WHO THIS FALLS UNDER, THAT THEY DON'T GET INUNDATED WITH CALLS FROM PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, FALLING UNDER THIS, UH, NO SOLICITATION ORDINANCE.
AND THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN THE EDUCATION
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PIECE, SO THAT PERHAPS ON THE WEBSITE WE CAN INCLUDE INFORMATION ABOUT WHO'S REQUIRED TO, TO REGISTER, UH, FOR SOLICITATION PERMITS.AND THE SECOND, UH, THING THAT I, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IS, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL DISCRETION, UH, REFERENCE VERSUS A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
JUST WANTED TO GET AN IDEA WHY, UM, THERE WAS NO POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE.
UM, SIMPLY BECAUSE THIS ONE FALLS OUTSIDE OF OPERATIONS.
THIS IS MORE FROM THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE WHO WILL BE REGISTERING THE, UM, PEOPLE THAT WILL BE SOLICITING.
SO FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, IT'S, IT'S NOT ONE THAT I WOULD WEIGH IN AS AN OPERATIONAL FUNCTION AT THIS POINT.
SO I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY THAT ALL OF THESE CALLS AND WILL BE FIELDED BY THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE WHO WILL OVERSEE THIS ASPECT OF THIS NEW, OR I MEAN THIS WORK, IF THIS GOES FORWARD, I'M SURE WE WOULD NEED TO DEVELOP A, A PROCESS OF HOW THAT WORKS.
BUT RIGHT NOW, I'M, ALL I KNEW WAS THAT THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE WOULD BE FIELDING THOSE SPONSORSHIPS AND THOSE ADDRESSES WOULD COME THROUGH THAT OFFICE TO BE REGISTERED OR NOT.
SO FINAL THING IN THAT, IN FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, HOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE PROCESS? WELL, I GUESS YOU DON'T HAVE IT YET.
SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW IN THE FUTURE WHAT THIS PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE.
ARE THEY GONNA, IS THERE GONNA BE A LIST, MAYBE A, UM, OF, OF, OF INDIVIDUALS WHO VIOLATED THE ORDINANCE? UH, ARE THEY GONNA, YOU KNOW, ARE I JUST WANT TO KNOW, KIND OF FLESHED OUT WHAT THAT SO THE ORDINANCE PROVIDES FOR PEOPLE TO REGISTER WITH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE IF THEY WOULD LIKE THEIR, FOR THEIR ADDRESSES TO BE ON THIS NO SOLICITATION REGISTRY.
PEOPLE WHO THEN APPLY FOR SOLICITATION PERMITS WITH THE CITY WILL THEN RECEIVE A COPY OF THIS LIST OF ADDRESSES SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOT TO SOLICIT AT THOSE SPECIFIC PROPERTIES.
SO THOSE WHO VIOLATE THAT, I'M ASKING WHAT IS THE, WHAT I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS WILL BE.
SO IT WOULD BE JUST LIKE AN, JUST A CODE CITATION.
SO THEY WOULD RECEIVE A CITATION OR A NOTICE TO APPEAR IN COURT.
SO WHO'S GOING TO, SO THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
ONCE, ONCE IT BECOMES THE, THE OPERATIONAL GUIDELINES ARE SET, THEN ANY VIOLATION OF THAT, IT WOULD BE HANDLED JUST LIKE WE HANDLE ANY OTHER CODE VIOLATION.
YEAH, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IT THROUGH OUR REPORTING PROCESS.
IT WILL, THE COMPLAINT WOULD COME IN THROUGH THE REPORTING PROCESS, WHETHER CCL FIX OR THE, THE NEXT ITERATION OF THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE GOING TO.
AND THEN IT WOULD BE FLUSHED OUT IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT THEIR, THEIR HOUSEHOLD IS LISTED, WHICH ALL THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE MAINTAINED IN THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
SO IT WILL BE A COORDINATION BETWEEN OPERATIONS AND THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO TRY TO INTERRUPT.
I'M, BUT I GUESS THAT'S WHY I WAS LEADING, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LEADING TO.
'CAUSE TO ME IT SOUNDS LIKE AT SOME POINT IT WILL BE OPERATIONS.
I DON'T SEE IT JUST SOLELY THAT'S CORRECT.
FALLING ON THE CITY SECRETARY.
BUT THE ESTABLISHMENT OF IT, SETTING IT UP, ALL OF THAT WILL COME.
CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE WOULD BE THE LEAVE.
AND THEN OPERATIONAL, WE'LL FOLLOW UP, JUST LIKE WE WOULD FOLLOW UP WITH ANYTHING ELSE AND WORK WITH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE.
RECOGNIZING COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN MARSHALL.
E JOYCE, I JUST HAD A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, DOG ORDINANCE OF ONE D INJURES A CHILD, EIGHT OR YOUNGER.
UM, HOW WAS THE AGE EIGHT CHOSEN? SO THE, THE AGE EIGHT WAS CHOSEN, AND I CANNOT REMEMBER THE CITY.
I THINK IT MAY HAVE BEEN HOUSTON, BUT IT WAS AN EXAMPLE IN ANOTHER CITY.
AND SO THE THOUGHT THERE WAS THAT A CHILD OF THAT AGE WOULD NOT, UM, BE ABLE TO, UM, WOULD GENERALLY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CONTROL, UH, AN ANIMAL.
UH, SO IF THE CHILD HAPPENED TO BE IN AN ENCLOSED SPACE WITH, UH, A DOG, UH, OR WITH AN ANIMAL, THEN THAT INJURY WOULD BE CONSIDERED, UH, FROM THAT DOG WOULD BE CONSIDERED A DANGEROUS DOG.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IN THE, UH, DRAFT ORDINANCE, I DO BELIEVE THAT I DID TAKE THAT AGE LIMIT OUT.
UM, BUT, BUT I BELIEVE IT CAME FROM, OUR THOUGHT PROCESS INITIALLY WAS THAT IT CAME FROM THE CITY OF HOUSTON AND THAT KIDS OF THAT AGE MIGHT BE, UH, JUST MORE, KIND OF, MORE OF A VULNERABLE POPULATION, LESS LIKELY, AND ABLE TO CONTROL, UM, A DOG.
AND SO IF A DOG WAS DANGEROUS, THEN THAT WOULD CREATE A GREATER DANGER FOR THOSE SPECIFIC, UM, THAT POPULATION.
AND I GUESS THE REASON WHY I ASKED ABOUT IT IS, LIKE YOU SAID, UM, IF A CHILD CAN'T CONTROL IT, BUT IT, IT COULD BE AN ADULT OR, OR AN ELDERLY PERSON, IT COULD BE ANYONE.
SO I DIDN'T WANNA JUST ISOLATE, LIMIT IT, YOU
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KNOW, THAT ONE AGE, UM, IT COULD BE AN AUTISTIC CHILD OR, OR ANYTHING, ANY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S EVEN OLDER THAN THE AGE OF EIGHT.SO JUST WANTED TO KIND OF MAYBE GO BACK AND RE-LOOK AT THAT IF POSSIBLE.
AND THEN WITH REGARDS TO THE, UM, ABATEMENT PERIOD, UM, CHANGING IT DOWN TO SEVEN DAYS FROM 10, UM, SINCE THAT'S REALLY JUST A THREE DAY CHANGE, UM, HOW, HOW DOES THAT EXPEDITE MOVING VIOLATIONS, UH, OR ORDINANCE MATTERS FASTER? IT JUST, IT JUST ALLOWS STAFF TO, UH, TAKE CARE OF, UH, VIOLATIONS FASTER.
I MEAN, THREE DAYS MIGHT NOT SOUND LIKE A LOT, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE TO THE PERSON, THE RESIDENT WHO'S NEXT DOOR TO THE TALL GRASS OR TO THE JUNK, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE ARE RATS AND OTHER THINGS, RODENTS, THREE DAYS MIGHT BE A LIFETIME.
SO IT JUST ALLOWS STAFF TO GET IN THERE A LOT FASTER TO GO IN ABATE FILE THE LANE AND, UH, MOVE ON WITH, WITH THE, THE PROCESS.
AND IN TERMS OF THE ENTIRE ABATEMENT PROCESS, HOW LONG IS THE WHOLE PROCESS, WOULD YOU SAY? UH, THE WHOLE PROCESS IS PROBABLY, OH, SO ONCE NOTICE HAS TO BE PROVIDED MM-HMM.
IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO CORRECT THE VIOLATION, THE CITY COULD THEN COME IN, ASSUMING THAT THE CITY HAS A CONTRACT IN PLACE ON DAY EIGHT, UH, THE CITY COULD THEN GO IN AND ABATE WHATEVER THE NUISANCE THAT VIOLATION IS.
UM, BUT IN TERMS OF REPAYMENT, THAT JUST, THAT COULD TAKE YEARS.
YOU KNOW, WE SOMETIMES SEE LIENS THAT WERE FILED FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO, UH, THAT WE DON'T GET, THE CITY DOESN'T GET THE MONEY BACK UNTIL THE PROPERTY IS SOLD.
RECOGNIZE THE MAYOR PRO TO MEMORY.
THE, UH, ITEM ON, UH, ANIMALS, UH, AND HAD POSITIVE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND I THINK IT REALLY WAS ABOUT TIME THAT WE HAD SOMETHING THAT PUT SOME PROTECTION IN OUR ORDINANCE FOR OUR CITIZENS AND ALSO FOR SOME OF OUR OTHER ANIMALS THAT, UH, WERE BEING, UH, UH, I, I THINK SUBJECTED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, TIMES WHEN, UH, THEY, THEIR LIVES WERE AT STAKE.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY THE, THE THING THAT I LIKE IS THE, UH, UH, BEING ABLE TO PROTECT OUR, UH, OUR CITIZENS FROM, UH, FROM DOG, UH, THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED AS, UH, UH, A, UH, A DOG THAT'S, UH, NEEDS, UH, POLICING.
AND, UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK, SO THAT'S A, A REAL POSITIVE, UH, FINE ENHANCEMENTS.
UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, DROVE ME TO ASK FOR THIS WAS, UH, WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST WERE OUR, UH, OUR FINES WERE TO SUCH EXTENT THAT, UH, SOMETIMES, UH, IT WAS CHEAPER FOR THE, UH, HOMEOWNER OR WHOEVER THE, UH, UH, THE, UH, ORDINANCE VIOLATION WAS TO CONTINUE ON WITH THAT AND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, PAY THE $50 FINE WHEN IT WOULD COST 'EM $75 TO GET THEIR, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE YARD MAINTAINED.
SO I THINK PUTTING A PROGRESSIVE APPROACH TO THIS, UH, HOPEFULLY GETS THE MESSAGE OUT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SLIDE WITH THE, UH, UH, WITH THE FACT THAT, UH, IT'S CHEAPER TO LET THE, UH, THE CITY AND PAY THE FINE.
SO THE OTHER IS, UH, NON NO SOLICITATION REGISTRY, UH, QUESTION I HAD THERE, UH, WHEN, UH, THE, UH, UH, BUSINESSES SIGN UP, UH, AND, UH, ARE GIVEN THE, UH, AUTHORITY TO, UH, BE ABLE TO SOLICIT MM-HMM.
I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE AS TO WHAT THAT IDENTIFICATION SPECIFICALLY IS.
IS IS THAT A, A CITY, UH, PROVIDED BADGE? YES, SIR.
SO THAT'S, TO ME, I GUESS THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN SOMEONE SEES, UH, A PERSON WITH THAT, THAT YOU KNOW, THAT IDENTIFYING BADGE, THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEY CAN IN FACT DO SOLICITATION.
THE OTHER THING IS THOUGH, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE THAT CAN, CAN A RESIDENT POST A NO TRESPASSING SIGN? OH, OF COURSE.
WHICH WOULD KEEP THAT INDIVIDUAL WHO MAY HAVE
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BEEN APPROVED FOR SOLICITATION, SHOULD, THEY SHOULD, SHOULD, THEY SHOULD STAY OUT OF, SHOULD THAT INDIVIDUAL'S OR THAT HOMEOWNER'S PROPERTY.THERE'S SOME WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY, UH, UH, WHEN WE PROVIDE THE, UH, AUTHORITY TO DO SOLICITATION, THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, A, A KEY ELEMENT TO BRING TO THEIR ATTENTION THAT, HEY, YOU JUST DON'T HAVE CARTE BLANCHE TO GO ANYWHERE.
THERE'S THOSE EXCEPTIONS, UH, LIKE NO TRESPASSING.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER SIGNS THAT, UH, THAT ARE PUT OUT THERE THAT, UH, WOULD, UH, ELIMINATE THE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY OF SOMEONE, UH, BEING ABLE TO SOLICIT AT THAT, UH, AT THAT PROPERTY.
WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK WITH THE, UH, CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE TO MAYBE PROVIDE AN INFORMATIONAL DOCUMENT FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO OBTAIN SOLICITATION PERMITS SO THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF SOME OF THE LIMITATIONS WITH SOLICITING WITHIN THE CITY.
AND IF SOMEONE IS SOLICITING AND, AND DOES NOT HAVE THE, THE APPROVAL, IS THAT A, AN ORDINANCE VIOLATION? YES.
IF, IF, UH, THE REGISTRATION IS REQUIRED AND THEY SOLICIT WITHOUT THAT REGISTRATION, THEN THAT IS A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR.
AND, AND WHO WOULD ISSUE THAT CITATION? UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS ISSUED SOME CODE ENFORCEMENT COULD PROBABLY ALSO ISSUE THEIR NOTICES TO APPEAR IN COURT.
UM, SO EITHER ONE OF THOSE PARTIES COULD ISSUE THOSE, AND IF THEY'RE FOUND GUILTY, UM, JUST LIKE A REGULAR TRIAL OR, UM, PROCESS, JUDICIAL PROCESS, THEN THEY COULD BE CONVICTED OF THAT, WHICH, AND IT WOULD BE A CLASSY MISDEMEANOR.
WELL, I GUESS I WOULD, WOULD ASK, YOU KNOW, OUR POLICE HAVE ENOUGH TO DO IF THERE'S SOME WAY THAT, UH, WE CAN, UH, USE CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, TO, UH, MAYBE BE THE, UH, UH, THE PURVEYOR, IF YOU WILL.
UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE, I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT, UM, AS A PART OF THIS, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN OVERALL ASSESSMENT OF THE ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT WILL BE INCURRED IN IMPLEMENTING THIS.
'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE IF THE CITY SECRETARY HAS DONE AN ASSESSMENT OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE IN TERMS OF STAFF TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THIS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BRING BACK AT THE, WHEN WE DISCUSS THIS GOING FORWARD, AS TO WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
YEAH, LIKE I SAY, I, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAY, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE OUR POLICE OFFICERS MORE TIME RATHER THAN A, UH, SOLICITATION, UH, VIOLATION.
SO, UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, WE CAN, UH, STREAMLINE THAT, THAT PROCESS.
UH, RECOGNIZING COUNCIL MEMBER RILEY.
TIM ASKED ALL OF MY QUESTIONS.
SO I'LL JUST SAY, GREAT JOB E JOYCE.
GOT TO TAKE MYSELF OUTTA THE, BUT I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION IN ELABORATION TOO.
UM, ONE OF THE STATEMENTS THAT HE MADE WAS, IF THOSE THAT ARE NOT REGISTERED, UM, WITH THE CITY TO HAVE A PERMIT, UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING IDENTIFIED.
HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? BECAUSE ONE OF THE REASONS OF SPEARHEADING THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF CALLS FROM SENIOR CITIZENS ABOUT PEOPLE KNOCKING ON THEIR DOORS, UM, AND THEN THEY'RE HAVING A NO SOLICITATION SIGN IN THEIR YARD OR ON THEIR DOOR.
AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, INDIVIDUALS NOT BEING OUT THERE FOR THE PURPOSE INTENDED.
SO IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE AS WELL, AND A CONCERN FOR A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT ARE THERE, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING, UH, TARGETED TO OPEN THEIR DOORS, UH, BUT ALSO HAVING THAT, THAT PROPER IDENTIFICATION DOES HELP.
RECOGNIZING COUNCIL MEMBER KLAUSER.
SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
ONE, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY OTHER, JUST BALLPARK, HOW MANY OTHER SURROUNDING CITIES HAVE THIS ORDINANCE? WHICH ONE IS THIS? IS THIS COMMON? I'M SORRY.
IS THIS COMMON? THE ONLY ONE I WAS ABLE TO FIND IN OUR REGION WAS SUGAR LAND.
I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE MAYBE ONE OR TWO IN THE SAN ANTONIO AREA AS WELL.
UM, AND THIS IS OKAY IF WE DON'T KNOW THIS QUESTION,
AND THAT APPLICATION IS ONLINE.
UM, THE APPLICATION DOES COME TO THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE WITH ALL OF THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTS.
UM, WE THEN REVIEW THE APPLICATION, UM, AND THE FOLLOW UP DOCUMENTS.
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DO A BACKGROUND CHECK ON EACH PERSON THAT WILL BE SOLICITING.SO ON THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS WHAT SYSTEM OR PLATFORM ARE WE USING FOR RESIDENTS TO CALL IN? THAT'S REALLY MY QUESTION.
TO CALL IN, TO REGISTER ON THE DO NOT SOLICIT LIST.
DO WE HAVE A PLATFORM? HAS IT, HAS THAT BEEN WORKED OUT ALREADY? IT'S YES OR NO.
UM, MY THIRD QUESTION IS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF, UM, MAYOR PRO TEM.
DO WE KNOW WHAT DESIGNATED STAFF MEMBERS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS? AND IT'S A YES OR NO? SO NO.
WELL, I, I CAN SPEAK TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO.
SO CURRENTLY, UM, WE DO, UM, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE ON OUR WEBSITE TO EITHER CONTACT THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND WE SAY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
'CAUSE MOST OF THE TIME THE CALLS COME IN ON THE WEEKEND WHERE PEOPLE ARE ASKING ABOUT SOLICITORS THAT ARE OUT IN THE PUBLIC.
SO LET ME RE-ASK THE QUESTION.
DO WE HAVE A DESIGNATED STAFF MEMBER THAT IS GOING TO HANDLE, LET'S SAY THIS IS, LET'S SAY WE PUSH THIS FORWARD.
DO, DOES YOUR DEPARTMENT HAVE DESIGNATED STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE DEDICATED TO THIS NO.
SOLICITATION REGISTRY? DO YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW? YES.
WHEN IF YOU ALL PASS THIS ORDINANCE, THEN YES WE WILL.
AND THEN MY FOURTH QUESTION IS, UM, THE ID BADGES, WHAT IS THE PROCESS LIKE? HOW MUCH IS ALL OF THAT GOING TO COST? PLUS YOU'RE SAYING BACKGROUND CHECKS? YES.
HOW MUCH DO WE KNOW? AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW, IT'S OKAY.
BUT BACKGROUND CHECKS, YOU ADD THOSE UP, THAT CAN BE VERY EXPENSIVE PER BACKGROUND CHECK.
DO WE KNOW AN ESTIMATED COST OF THAT? SO AT THIS POINT, UM, TO DO THE BACKGROUND CHECKS IS ABOUT $4 PER PERSON.
AND THEN ISSUING THE BADGE, OF COURSE WOULD BE THE SUPPLIES.
SO, UM, AFTER THIS ORDINANCE IS DONE, UM, I PLAN TO GET WITH EACH OF US, I KNOW SHE'S BEEN BUSY ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT ORDINANCES.
UM, BUT TO GET WITH HER TO ADD A FEE, UM, FOR THE BADGES AND FOR THE BACKGROUND CHECK, WHICH I WOULD THINK WOULD BE ABOUT $15, IS WHAT I'M THINKING IN MY MIND.
BUT OF COURSE, I WOULD NEED TO WORK WITH CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY.
SO IT IS MY RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE I FEEL IS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY COLLEAGUES THINK, BUT I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO THINK THIS THROUGH.
I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
THERE ARE A LOT GONNA BE A LOT MORE RESOURCES, UM, THAT ARE GONNA BE, NEED TO BE UTILIZED, THAT WE ARE NOT REALLY REALIZING AND UNDERSTANDING.
UM, AND SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE THAT WE TABLE THE NO SOLICITATION REGISTRY FOR A LATER TIME, NOT THE DECEMBER MEETING, JUST SO WE CAN FLUSH OUT ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY FOR THIS SECOND, BUT I HAVE COMMENT.
SO I PLACED MYSELF IN THE QUEUE.
SO GOING BACK TO HEARING EVERYONE ELSE, SAME THING.
YOU KNOW, WE AS A CITY HAS BEEN NOTORIOUSLY KNOWN FOR PUTTING OUT POLICIES AND THEN THERE'S REALLY NO FOLLOW THROUGH.
UH, I CAN GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE OF IT IS C CLICK FIX.
YOU KNOW, OUT IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HEAR IT ALL THE TIME.
LIKE I PUT THE INFORMATION IN THERE, THERE'S NO REALLY FOLLOW UP.
SO AS YOU HEARD FROM EVERYONE HERE TODAY, CITY MANAGER, I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME TEETH INTO WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH EACH OF THESE PROCESS BECAUSE WE CAN CREATE ALL OF THESE ORDINANCES, BUT IF NO ONE'S REALLY FOLLOWING IT, IT BECOMES NUISANCE.
AND DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS THAT LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHO'S ACCOUNTABLE.
YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE STAFF GOING BACK TO LAUER'S? UH, QUESTION, YOU KNOW, I HEARD, WELL, WEEKENDS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, I MEAN THIS IS OPERATIONS.
MAYBE THIS, THIS IS WHERE YOU WOULD PROBABLY GO BACK AND LOOK AT AS OUR CITY'S NOT GROWING.
UM, MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, WORK ON THE WEEKENDS.
I'M NOT JUST THROWING OUT CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, IT IS, IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE POLICE, UH, TO PUSH EVERYTHING TO THE POLICE.
'CAUSE OUR RESIDENTS ARE QUICK TO CALL POLICE.
EVERYONE DOES THIS, UM, CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
THERE'S NOBODY HERE ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
UH, SO Y'ALL NEED TO THINK THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
'CAUSE ONCE WE PUSH A PROCESS IN PLACE, THEN, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST WE, WE AS SEVEN OF US HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY.
LIKE COUNCILMAN BRE ISS TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE CALLING HER.
I MEAN, THEY DO THIS TO ALL OF US.
AND WE HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING TO HERE'S A DEFINITE WHERE IT IS.
UH, OR YOU HAVE TO CALL THIS NUMBER AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND I, I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER SER IN THE FACT THAT WE HOLD THIS POLICY BACK AND WE NEEDED TO HEAR BACK FROM, UH, YOU GUYS
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AS TO STRATEGICALLY HOW IN ANY, ALMOST EVERY SITUATIONAL BASIS HOW IT WORKS.YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALREADY HAVING, OUR POLICE OFFICERS ARE DOING MUCH MORE AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S STAFFING ISSUES AND ALL OF THIS.
AND WE'RE NOT, I THINK PUSHING EVERYTHING TO, TO THE POLICE, I DON'T THINK IS FAIR TO THEM.
SO WITHIN, THERE HAS TO BE A ACCOUNTABILITY AND A OWNERSHIP TO WHAT DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS IS GOING TO AND WHO'S GONNA MAD THIS AND WHO'S GOING TO TAKE ACTIONS AND HOW DO, WHAT'S THE FOLLOW UP? 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T PUT SOMETHING ELSE OUT THERE WITHOUT THE FOLLOW UP.
SAME THING, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, BONY STARTED OFF WITH THE SAME THING ASKING THE QUESTIONS, AND I THINK IT GOT ELABORATED FROM HIM STARTING IT TO EVERYONE ELSE KIND OF GOING IN THE SAME PHASE.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST TO, TO YOU, AS YOU'RE PRESENTING IT TO THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE AND CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL NEED TO GO BACK AND GET SOME MORE INPUT AND DETAILS BEFORE COMING BACK TO US.
AND I'M NOT SURE IF I'M READY TO MAKE A MOVE ON WITHOUT HEARING ALL THE FACTUALS AND, UH, ALL THE DETAILS ON THIS PARTICULAR POLICY.
UH, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, SO THIS WOULD, IF IF APPROVED ALL OF THESE ORDINANCES WOULD APPEAR ON THE DECEMBER 2ND, FOURTH, WAS IT? I BELIEVE THAT'S FOURTH.
FOURTH MEETING AND THAT'S BE THE FIRST OF TWO READINGS? CORRECT.
AND SO IT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT TECHNICALLY THE SECOND, AFTER THE SECOND MEETING IN DECEMBER.
SO I GUESS THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION BEFORE A COUNCILWOMAN, UH, WHICH I VEHEMENTLY AGREE WITH, UH, IN THAT I JUST HEAR THAT THIS IS MORE OPERATIONAL THAN, THAN ANYTHING.
UH, THAT ONCE THIS GOES INTO EFFECT, I DON'T HEAR THAT WITHIN A MONTH'S TIME WE'LL HAVE THIS THING FUNCTIONAL UP AND RUNNING WITH ALL OF THE, THE BELLS, WHISTLES, EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO KNOW, COST RELATED, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR X, Y, Z, HOW MANY PEOPLE WE GOTTA DEVOTE TO THIS.
UM, SO I JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, QUESTIONS, A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO, 'CAUSE ONCE WE, LIKE MAYOR SAID, I MEAN, ONCE WE APPROVE THESE ORDINANCES, THEY GO INTO EFFECT.
SO THERE'S NO SENSE OF HAVING STUFF ON THE BOOKS IF WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY IMPLEMENT IT AND HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE.
THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANTED TO SHARE.
UH, RECOGNIZING COUNCIL MEMBER KLAUSER.
AND WE HAVE TO REMEMBER, WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE ALL OF THESE ORDINANCES.
I'LL JUST, I'M JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE.
AND THE FACT THAT WE, THAT, THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE OTHER CITY IN THE REGION THAT IS THAT GO AHEAD.
I MEAN, I CAN CERTAINLY LOOK, UM, THAT WAS JUST A, A BRIEF REVIEW, BUT I COULD LOOK TO SEE, YOU'RE USUALLY PRETTY GOOD ABOUT YOUR RESEARCH AND BUT GO AHEAD IF YOU NEED TO, BUT I'LL KEEP LOOKING.
I'M, I'M JUST, I'M JUST NOT MOVED ON THIS PARTICULAR, UH, UH, ORDINANCE AND I, I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, BUT DEFINITELY NOT GOING FORWARD FOR, FOR DECEMBER.
SO I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE.
SO, UH, UH, DO WE NEED TO, I HEARD A, A MOTION AND A SECOND.
SO THAT'S TO MOVE THE, MOVE THE, THIS PARTICULAR POLICY OUT.
SO DO, DO YOU, DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THIS? YES, PLEASE.
THERE WAS A MOTION AND A SECOND TO MOVE ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND FOUR TO THE DECEMBER 4TH MEETING BY COUNCIL MEMBER KLAUSER AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER.
BEFORE WE GO TO THAT, LET ME RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER BONNEY, YOU, YOU SAY, REPEAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
THERE WAS A, A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, THE ANIMAL DANGEROUS DOGS ORDINANCE MOVING FORWARD, FORWARD TO DECEMBER 4TH.
I JUST, I THOUGHT I HEARD SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SIR.
UH, MAYOR, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, I KNOW WE DID MAKE A, UH, IT WAS A MOTION AND I SECONDED IT.
BUT I WANTED TO HEAR FROM, UH, COUNCILWOMAN RILEY, UH, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS JUST 'CAUSE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU 'CAUSE BROUGHT FORTH.
UH, DO YOU UNDERSTAND, I GUESS THE COMMENTS BEING MADE BY US AND DO YOU AGREE THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF GO BACK? I MEAN, I MEAN, WE'RE STILL GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH A VOTE.
I'M JUST ASKING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT MY COMMENTS OR EVERYBODY ELSE IS SAYING AS IT RELATES TO THIS.
'CAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL IS IMPORTANT.
I DO FEEL THAT IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT YES, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND Y'ALL'S COMMENTS.
RECOGNIZING COUNCIL MEMBER MELES.
OH, I WAS GONNA SAY IN, IN THE MEANTIME, WE STILL HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE FOR SOLICITING.
SO IF YOU SEE SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS, YOU CALL IN NON-EMERGENCY AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THE FLOW.
SO RESIDENTS DON'T BE ALARMED.
SO THERE'S BEEN A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KLAUSER
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AND SECOND BY CONST MEMBER RILEY, CORRECT? YES.AND THAT RILEY, OR I THOUGHT IT WAS CONST.
[(b) Receive Staff Report\Presentation - Quail Valley Golf Course Projects]
FOUR B TO RECEIVE STAFF REPORT PRESENTATION ON COA VALLEY GOLF COURSE PROJECTS.WE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY SHASHI KUMAR, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND CITY ENGINEER.
GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I'M HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU AN UPDATE ON THE GOLF COURSE PROJECTS, SPECIFICALLY THREE PROJECTS.
I'M GONNA START OFF WITH THE FIRST PROJECT, WHICH IS THE WALL LOCATED ALONG CARTWRIGHT.
IT'S, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE EXHIBITS, IT'S ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER SEPARATING CARTWRIGHT AND ELDORADO BOULEVARD.
LIKE MOST OF YOU'RE AWARE, THIS WALL IS DEFICIENT, IT'S STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT.
IN ADDITION, THE WINTER, DURING THE WINTER, THE VEGETATION DIED.
WE HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMPLAINTS.
UH, THE IDEA IS TO DEMOLISH THIS WALL AND TO BE REPLACED WITH TREES.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HEARD WAS, UH, WHAT DOES IT DO TO THE GOLF BALLS? UH, I'LL LET KELLY'S COME AND SPEAK, UH, THE SPECIFICS OF IT IF NEED BE.
BUT THERE IS A, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE BOTTOM PICTURE, THERE'S AMOUNT OF DIRT THERE THAT KIND OF SEPARATES IT.
UH, I THINK THAT PROVIDES THE BUFFER, SO TO SPEAK, FOR THE GOLF BALL.
BUT THE IDEA IS TO PLANT THE TREES BACK TO PROVIDE THE AESTHETICS AND THE SCREENING TO THE GOLF COURSE.
WHERE ARE WE ON THIS ONE? UH, WE HAVE THE CONTRACTOR LINED UP.
WE HAVE TO CLOSE ONE LANE OF CARTRIGHT TO DO THE DEMOLITION.
SO YOU DON'T TEAR UP THE GOLF COURSE.
YOU HAUL IT OFF FROM THE CART ROAD.
CARTRIGHT ROADSIDE, UH, THAT IS BEING PLANNED ON NOVEMBER 27TH TO START, UH, PER, UH, PERMITTING, GOOD WEATHER.
WE SHOULD HAVE IT START ON NOVEMBER 27TH IN APPROXIMATELY A WEEK'S TIME.
IT SHOULD BE DONE AGAIN CONTINGENT TO THE WEATHER.
UH, AGAIN, WE'LL COME BACK AND DO THE TREE PLANTING.
WE'LL LET THE WINTER GO BY, UH, SOMETIME EARLY NEXT YEAR, WE'LL DO THE TREE PLANTING.
UH, THAT IS THE PLAN AS FAR AS THE GOLF COURSE WALL PROJECT.
I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU THE UPDATE ON THE OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL.
AND THEN SEE IF, UH, THERE IS ANY QUESTIONS OR INPUT FROM KELLY, OUR GOLF COURSE MANAGER, WHO'S PRESENT HERE AS WELL, UH, ON THE GOLF COURSE MAINTENANCE FACILITY, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE EXISTING FACILITY IS LOCATED ON 3,400 WEST CLUB DRIVE.
EVERYBODY'S AWARE THAT THAT BUILDING HAS TO COME DOWN.
UH, THAT IS ONE OF THE STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT BUILDING AS WELL.
UH, THE IDEA WAS TO, UH, RECONSTRUCT THE BUILDING AT THAT LOCATION.
PREFERABLY, HOWEVER, THERE IS A GAS PIPELINE, WHICH WAS NOT RECORDED IN ANY DOCUMENTS.
IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE BUILDING.
AND, UH, THAT WAS NOT SHOWN IN ANY PREVIOUS, UH, DRAWINGS.
AND I'LL GO TO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT, UH, LATER IN A, UH, IN A HIGHER DETAIL IN MY NEXT SLIDE.
SO THE IDEA WAS MADE TO MOVE IT TO ANOTHER LOCATION, WHICH IS ALSO IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
IT IS LOCATED BY THE WATER TANKS THAT YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE.
AND THE SPECIFIC ADDRESS IS 29 35 BLUE LAKES LANE.
UH, AND WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? AS I MENTIONED, THERE IS A GAS PIPELINE IN CONFLICT.
UH, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY, UH, EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH GAS LINE PUMP COMPANIES, IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND IT'S PRETTY EXPENSIVE TO RELOCATE A GAS LINE.
UH, AGAIN, IT'LL CAUSE UNDUE DELAY TO THIS PROJECT.
THE NEW LOCATION, THE, THE, ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS WE HEARD WAS IT IS THE EXISTING LOCATION IS VERY CLOSE TO THE HOMES.
UH, THERE WAS A NOISE, UH, ISSUE THERE.
UM, UH, THEY HAD TO, UH, UH, SCHEDULE THE OPERATION SUCH A WAY AFTER A PARTICULAR DURATION IN THE MORNING, JUST SO, BECAUSE THE HOMES WERE NOT BOTHERED BY THE LAWNMOWERS THAT WOULD FREQUENTLY LEAVE THE FACILITY.
THE NEW LOCATION, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE, DOES NOT HAVE ANY HOMES IN THE PROXIMITY OF THE BUILDING.
UH, IT WILL IMPROVE OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY.
SO THE, UH, UH, THE EQUIPMENT CAN LEAVE THE FACILITY EARLY IN THE MORNING.
THERE IS NOT ANY CONSTRAINTS IN TERMS OF THE PROXIMITY.
UH, AND, UH, WHAT IT ALSO DOES IS, UH, WHILE THE EXISTING BUILDING IS THERE AND THE EQUIPMENT IS THERE, THE NEW BUILDING CAN BE BUILT IN PHASES.
UH, WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY IS WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
UH, AND I'LL SHARE WITH YOU THAT IN A LITTLE BIT DETAILS IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES.
THE INTENT IS TO FINISH THE DESIGN, UH, AND GO TO THE PHASE ONE CONSTRUCTION IN FALL OF 24, AND TO BE COMPLETED, UH, THE REST IN SUMMER OF 2025.
NOW, THIS IS THE RENDERING OF THE NEW PROPOSED FACILITY.
UH, YOU CAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN
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SEE IT ON YOUR MONITORS.UH, THERE ARE, UM, THREE VIEWS THAT WE HAVE SPECIFICALLY TRA UM, NOW ONE THING I WANT TO CLEAR IS THIS IS NOT A BARN.
THIS IS A MAINTENANCE FACILITY.
WE'RE TAKING THREE VIEWS SHOWING HOW THE FACILITY WOULD LOOK LIKE.
THE IDEA IS TO COLOR COAT THIS FACILITY SIMILAR TO THE TINGE OF THE GOLF COURSE, SOMEWHAT GREENISH.
IT WILL NOT HAVE A CHAIN LINK FENCE.
IN LIEU OF THAT, WE'RE PROPOSING A VINYL FENCE, AGAIN, GREEN IN COLOR SO IT CAN BLEND WITH THE GOLF COURSE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE IS VEGETATION OR SHRUBS, UH, PROPOSED ALL ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THIS FACILITY.
CURRENTLY, THIS FACILITY SHIELDED BY A NUMBER OF TREES.
UH, AND WE WILL SHOW THE RENDERING OF HOW THIS FACILITY WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S BUILT.
AND ALL THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE.
AND AGAIN, THERE ARE THREE VIEWS THAT WE SPECIFICALLY TOOK TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE AESTHETIC CONCERN.
ONE IS BACK HERE, TWO IS HERE.
AND THE THIRD IS A VIEW FROM HERE.
SO THE FIRST VIEW THAT YOU SEE IS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
AGAIN, THE TREES WILL OBSCURE MOST OF THE VIEW OF THIS BUILDING, ALONG WITH THE SHRUBS AND THE VINYL FENCING.
LITERALLY, LITERALLY, UH, THIS FACILITY, PROPOSED FACILITY SHOULD NOT BE VISIBLE TO THE RESIDENTS WHERE IT'S PROPOSED.
WHERE ARE WE CURRENTLY? WE'RE AT 30% DESIGN, OR WHAT WE CALL CONCEPTUAL DESIGN.
UH, THE ISSUES RELATED TO THE AESTHETICS AND VISIBILITY HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE DESIGN, OR WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE FINAL DESIGN.
UH, AGAIN, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
UH, WE ARE GOING TO PAUSE HERE AT THIS POINT, PRESENT THIS TO THE QUAIL VALLEY HOA AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE FORUM, HOPEFULLY IN DECEMBER.
AND AFTER WE RECEIVE FEEDBACK, THE INTENT IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FINAL DESIGN AND BIDDING.
SO THIS WAS THE UPDATE ON PROJECT NUMBER TWO.
I'M NOW GOING TO THE THIRD PROJECT, WHICH IS WHAT WE CALL THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT ON GOLF COURSE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
UH, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME FROM THE MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN DURING HARVEY AND MANY OTHER RAIN EVENTS.
UH, THE HOMES ABUTTING THE GOLF COURSE HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT DRAINAGE WHEREIN THE GOLF COURSE, UH, DRAINAGE DRAIN ON INTO PROPERTY.
UH, I HAVE BEEN THERE MANY, MANY LOCATIONS, AND I'VE SEEN THIS, UH, AND IT HAS BEEN STUDIED TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
THE IDEA HERE IS, AND I'M GONNA USE MY PRESENTATION AND AND HERE TO ILLUSTRATE, IS IMAGINE THIS IS THE GOLF COURSE.
AND WHAT THIS PROJECT ENTAILS IS, IN SIMPLISTIC TERMS, CREATING A LITTLE BALL BEHIND SO THAT YOU CAN DRAIN TO THE BACK OF THE GOLF COURSE OR TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE INSTEAD OF TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND CAUSE FLOODING.
THIS CONCEPT HAS BEEN DONE BY ADJACENT COMMUNITIES.
UH, I HAVE BEEN PART OF THAT PROJECT.
THE GOLF COURSE TEAM AND THE CONSULTANT TEAM THAT WE HAVE SELECTED ALONG WITH THE ARCHITECT, HAVE VISITED THIS PROJECT.
UH, IT HAS BEEN HIGHLY, HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL IN AN ADJACENT CITY WHERE THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN DONE.
IT HAS ADDED VALUE AND AESTHETIC TO THE GOLF COURSE AND IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE.
UH, AND IF NOT ANYTHING, THIS WILL ONLY PROVIDE POSITIVE DRAINAGE AND THERE WILL BE NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS AS A RESULT OF THIS PROJECT, WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO DO THIS PROJECT, THERE WAS ALSO 2.5 MILLION ALLOCATED IN THE, UH, GOLF, UH, IN THE BOND PROGRAM TO DO FAIRWAY IMPROVEMENTS.
OBVIOUSLY, WHEN YOU SHUT DOWN THE GOLF COURSE TO DO DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, YOU WANT TO PIGGYBACK AND DO THE GOLF COURSE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE SAME TIME.
THIS INCLUDES POSSIBLY NEW BUNKERS, SIDE PATHS, AND SOME AESTHETICS TO THE GOLF COURSE.
UH, THERE IS 2.5 MILLION ALLOCATED FOR THIS PROJECT.
WHERE ARE WE ON THIS? WE HAVE SELECTED A CONSULTANT TEAM.
THIS CONSULTANT, THE ARCHITECT, HAS SPECIFICALLY WORKED ON THE GOLF COURSE.
THE ARCHITECT OF THE CONS, UH, THE ENGINEERING TEAM HAVE WORKED ON PREVIOUS GOLF COURSE PROJECTS.
AGAIN, MY TEAM AND THE GOLF COURSE TEAM AND OTHERS HAVE VISITED THE, UH, OTHER CITIES WHERE THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN DONE TO LEARN THE BEST PRACTICES AS TO WHEN WE SHOULD DO THIS PROJECT.
THE LESSONS LEARNED, SO TO SPEAK, THE IDEA IS TO, UH, GO INTO CONSTRUCTION NEXT YEAR DURING THE OFF PEAK OR WINTER MONTHS.
UH, AGAIN, UH, A PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE WILL NOT OCCUR WITHOUT THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS.
ONCE WE GET THE CONSULTANT ON BOARD, WE DO THE SUB PRELIMINARY DRAINAGE ANALYSIS.
WE WILL GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND PRESENT THE, OR, UH, THE GOALS FOR THIS PROJECT, SEEK THEIR INPUT.
AND EVEN BEFORE WE BID THE PROJECT, THE FINAL PRODUCT WILL BE SHARED WITH THE, UH, HOMEOWNERS AND QUAIL VALLEY, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PROJECT.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I HAD FOR YOU TODAY.
UH, KELLY, THE GOLF COURSE MANAGER AND I ARE HERE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
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THANK YOU.DO WE HAVE THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER HERE THAT'S OVER THE GOLF COURSE? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR EITHER YOU OR SHASHI, YOU OR THE GOLF COURSE.
UH, HAVE WE TAKEN SEVERAL BITS FOR THIS, UH, KNOCKING DOWN THAT WALL? NO.
I JUST, UH, TOOK THE, THE BID FROM, UH, THE, THE ONE, UH, BASS CONSTRUCTION GROUP THAT I WAS GIVEN.
DIDN'T WANNA KNOCK YOU OUTTA THE WAY.
UM, YES, JUST WITH BASS CONSTRUCTION, WHO HAS WORKED, UH, FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, WELL, WITHIN THE CITY GUIDELINES AND WORKED FOR THE CITY.
UM, IT'S BEEN A PRETTY FASCINATING PROCESS BEING THE NEW GENERAL MANAGER TO LOOK THROUGH AND DO THIS.
'CAUSE WE WERE EVEN APPROACHING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO USE THE WALL AS SOME WORKOUT.
SO THE BASS CONSTRUCTION GROUP WAS THE FIRM THAT, SO THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THREE BIDS.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE PROCESS OF GETTING SOMETHING LIKE THIS? YES.
SO YOU CAN, MAY I, IF I MAY ADD ONE THING TO THAT, THIS CONTRACTOR, WHEN VENDOR IS ON THE BIBLE, WHICH GIVES US THE ABILITY TO GET QUOTES FROM THIS CONTRACTOR AND WORK ON A PROJECT PRICE.
SO I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THREE BIDS FOR EVERY CONTRACTOR THAT WE PUT OUT THERE, IF I MAY.
THERE ARE CER THERE ARE CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS TO THAT.
THERE IS A PROVISION IN CHAPTER 2 71 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, WHICH AUTHORIZES THE CITY TO UTILIZE A COOPERATIVE PURCHASE PURCHASING AGREEMENT TO BUY CERTAIN SERVICES.
THIS PARTICULAR VENDOR WAS ON, AS SHASHI MENTIONED, THE BUYBOARD COOPERATIVE PURCHASING AGREEMENT.
AND THAT IS HOW THE CITY WOULD UTILIZE THAT SERVICE.
SO HOW MUCH IS IT THAT I GET DOWN? WHAT'S THE, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING HERE.
WHY, WHY YOU SAY APPROXIMATELY, WHAT'S THE ACTUAL NUMBER? SOMETHING LIKE 48 900 OR SOMETHING? YEAH.
UM, AND IT'LL BE, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO GET DONE? UH, THE IDEA IS TO, UH, WE, TECHSTAR HAS TO GIVE US A SPECIFIC PERMIT FOR CLOSURE.
THE CLOSING THE LANES, UH, WE ARE SCHEDULED TO START ON THE 27TH AND APPROXIMATELY IN A WEEK'S TIME, WE SHOULD BE DONE.
MY NEXT QUESTION IS JUMPING ONTO THE NEXT, WITH THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING.
AT WHAT, HOW DID YOU GUYS COME UP WITH THE ASPECT OF MOVING THAT BUILDING FROM WHERE IT IS TODAY? IS THE GAS LINE THAT'S GOING UNDERNEATH THAT FACILITY TODAY? YES.
THE GAS LINE IS NOT UNDERNEATH IT'S PRO.
IT'S ABOUT 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE EXISTING BUILDING.
NONE OF THE OLD PLANTS OR PLA CAUGHT THAT BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT DECADES AGO.
UH, WHEN THE CONSULTANT STARTED DOING THE SURVEY, THAT'S WHEN WE CAME, REALIZED THAT THERE WAS AN EXISTING GAS PIPELINE AND THEY SAID IT WOULD BE, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO LINES WE FOUND.
WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? THERE WERE TWO GAS LINES INSTEAD OF ONE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT BUILDING WAS BUILT WITH THE GAS LINE UNDERNEATH IT ALMOST.
HOW LONG AGO DID WE BUILD THAT? UH, FROM WHAT I KNOW IS AT LEAST 30 PLUS YEARS.
SO NOW YOU'RE MOVING INTO THE OTHER SIDE, HOW WE CONSIDER, AND I SEE THAT IN HERE, ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT SHOWS THAT YOU'RE GOING BACK TO THE HOA, THERE ARE SOME SEVERAL RESIDENTS THAT CAME BACK TO US AS CO COUNCIL MEMBERS OR CITY COUNCIL, I SHOULD SAY, ABOUT THEIR, UH, NOT WANTING THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY THERE.
SO WHAT, HOW DID YOU PICK THIS SLOT OR, OR THIS LOT? SEVERAL FACTORS WERE CONSIDERED THE PROXIMITY TO THE GOLF COURSE IN TERMS OF EFFICIENCY OF OPERATIONS AWAY FROM HOMES.
AND THIS IS AN OPEN SPOT NEXT TO THE CITY PROPERTY, LOCATED NEXT TO THE WATER TANKS.
AND THERE IS A POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY TO REPURPOSE THAT, UH, EXISTING FACILITY ONCE IT'S DEMOLISHED INTO WHAT WE CALL, UH, THE FIRST TEE.
SO THOSE WERE THE FACTORS THAT WENT INTO ON HOW WE CHOSE THIS PROPERTY.
MY LAST QUESTION IS, YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT THIS TO THE HOA AND IF THE HOA IS NOT IN AGREEMENT OR IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, THEN WHAT YOU'RE STILL MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PLANS? WELL, THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS.
THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS CURRENT LOCATION.
THE REASON BEING, THE A THE EXISTING FACILITY IS IN DIRE STRAITS OF BEING REMOVED.
UH, IT'LL BE EXTREMELY COST EXPENSIVE AND DELAY IN BUILDING THE FACILITY THERE.
SO THE ONLY PATH THAT WE SEE IS THIS FACILITY.
HOWEVER, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE'VE GONE AND ADDRESSED SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE
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RESIDENTS HAD, INCORPORATED THAT INTO THE DESIGN.AND WE BELIEVE, UH, THAT SHOULD MITIGATE ANY CONCERNS THAT THE RESIDENTS MAY HAVE.
SO THEN WHY ARE YOU GOING TO HOA JUST TO PRESENT IT TO THE H OA? WELL, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY SAY, WELL, BEING A GOOD PARTNERS, WE WANT TO SHARE ANY PROPOSED PROJECTS, UH, WITH THE COMMUNITY SO THAT WE CAN, UH, ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THEY MAY HAVE OR ANY, UH, PERCEPTIONS THEY MAY HAVE SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH BY ADDRESSING THOSE QUESTIONS AT THIS STAGE, NOT DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE.
YOU BACK, UH, RECOGNIZING COUNCIL MEMBER EMERY? UH, EXCUSE ME.
YEAH, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, ONE HEARD FROM, UH, THE, UH, UH, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS EARLIER ON, UH, THE, UH, REMARKS WAS THE CONCERN ABOUT, UH, DRAINAGE ALONG ROBINSON ROAD.
UH, AND I THINK, AS I UNDERSTAND, THE DRAINAGE PROJECT IS REALLY ADDRESSING THAT DRAINAGE AT THAT, AT, ON THOSE HOMES AT THAT LOCATION.
SO IT MIGHT BE, WELL, IF, UH, IF, UH, NICHOLAS WOULD, UH, WOULD, UH, BE GIVEN MAYBE, UH, AN UPDATE ON THE VALUE AND THE REASONS WHY WE'RE DOING THAT, TO ANSWER SOME OF HIS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UH, UH, THE DRAINAGE, ESPECIALLY ON ROBINSON ROAD, THE HOMES ON ROBINSON ROAD.
UM, THE, UH, UH, THE OTHER THING I I BELIEVE THAT CAME UP WAS, UH, CONCERN ABOUT GULF BALLS MAY BE, UH, NOT BEING STOPPED BY, BY THE WALL, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN IS GONNA HAVE WHAT WE CALL BERMS, WHICH IS HIGH ENOUGH, WHICH WILL STOP OR SLOW DOWN GOLF BALLS.
SO WE'LL HAVE BASICALLY THE SAME LEVEL OF SAFETY WITH THE NEW DESIGN THAT WE HAVE WITH THE, UH, UH, WITH THE, THE WALL.
I'M GONNA LET, UH, KELLY ADDRESS THE SECOND QUESTION, AND I CAN COME BACK TO THE FIRST ONE.
THAT IS THE PLAN TO, UH, DO SOME ROLLING MOUNDS ALONG WITH PLANT LIFE.
THERE ARE BIG PLANT LIFE THAT WOULD TAKE ON ANY BALLS THAT GO OFF FLIGHT, OFF COURSE THERE FOR THAT GOLF HOLE.
UM, BUT ALSO AFTER OBSERVING MANY ROUNDS AND JUST WATCHING HOW THAT COURSE IS BEING PLAYED, UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY VERY FORTUNATE IN THAT, UM, A LOT OF OUR MORE MATURE GOLFERS, THE OLDER GENTLEMAN, IN ORDER TO TAKE A SHORTCUT, ACTUALLY GO TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT POND AND DON'T GO ANYWHERE NEAR THE, THE WALL THAT'S BEING DEMOLISHED SO THAT IT HELPS OUT GREATLY.
AND MOST OF THE GOLF BALLS THAT I'VE OBSERVED PERSONALLY BY WATCHING PEOPLE GOLF, THERE ARE ACTUALLY HITTING THE CART PATH BE BEFORE THE WALL AND BOUNCING OVER.
SO THAT IS JUST GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY.
AND THIS WALL IS, YOU KNOW, FOUR TO FOUR AND A HALF FEET TALL.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING TO REPLICATE AND HOPEFULLY WITH THE PLANT LIFE BEING TALLER, TAKE ON AND DEFLECT A LOT OF THOSE GOLF BALLS THAT WE'RE BOUNCING OFF THE CARPET OVER THE WALL IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT ALSO HAVE IT LOOK NICE BECAUSE THAT IS A SHOWCASE HOLE FOR OUR FACILITY AS WELL, WITH THE FOUNTAIN AND EVERYTHING ELSE THERE.
AND RIGHT NOW YOU CAN'T SEE IT.
YOU CAN'T SEE THE BEAUTY THAT WE HAVE AT QUAIL VALLEY.
UH, THE OTHER THING WAS, UH, WHY WE WERE BRINGING IT, UH, TO THE HO A'S ATTENTION, UH, I'VE BEEN AT THE HOA MEETINGS AND ONE OF THE, THE CONCERNS THAT SEVERAL OF THE, UH, PEOPLE WHO LIVE AROUND THE OLD MAINTENANCE FACILITY NOW, UH, CONTINUALLY COMPLAIN.
SO THIS WILL, UH, AT LEAST WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, UM, SHOW TO THE HOA, UH, WHAT THE NEW PLANS ARE.
AND IT SHOULD ELIMINATE THE, UH, THE CONCERNS THAT SOME OF THE HOMEOWNERS AROUND THAT, UH, OLD MAINTENANCE BARN, OR EXCUSE ME, FACILITY, UH, WILL BE ELIMINATED.
AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE TOUCHED ON IT, BUT THAT MAINTENANCE FACILITY IS IN TOTAL DISREPAIR AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN.
THERE'S NO WAY IT CAN BE REPAIRED.
UH, YOU TO TRY TO MOVE IT INTO THE SAME LOCATION OR SIMILAR IS WHERE YOU RUN INTO THE, THE, UH, UH, THE GAS PIPELINE, UH, EASEMENTS THAT ARE THERE.
SO, UH, THAT WOULD JUST, IF YOU TRY TO DO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, MOUNTAINS OF, OF RED TAPE AND TIME.
SO I THINK MOVING IT TO THE, UH, EXISTING LOCATION OR TO THE LOCATIONS BEING SUGGESTED IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE.
UH, AND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS MY, UH, MY, UH, UH, POSITION AND IT IS FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM
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HOMES, UH, AND, UH, IT'S BEING, UH, UH, SURROUNDED BY DIFFERENT MEANS OF, OF CAMOUFLAGING IT, IF YOU WILL.SO IT'S NOT REALLY VISIBLE OR AN EYESORE.
UH, SO I, I THINK TO ME, THAT, UH, IS A REASON WHY THE, UH, THE LOCATION THAT YOU PICKED OUT IS, UH, SUFFICIENT.
EVEN THOUGH WE HAD SOME, UH, SEVERAL HOMEOWNERS THAT COMPLAINED ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK THERE, THOSE HOMES ARE ABOUT 250 TO 300 YARDS AWAY FROM WHERE WE'RE THIS IS GONNA BE BUILT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT I THINK BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE, UH, EFFICIENCIES THAT WE GET OUT OF IT, UH, BY MOVING IT, UH, I, I THINK IT'S THE, THE RIGHT MOVE TO, UH, TO MAKE.
RECOGNIZING COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN MARSH.
AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA TAKE IT FORWARD TO THE HOA, UM, FOR THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
I KNOW SHASHI, WITHIN OUR COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN MYSELF AND, UH, CITY MANAGER JONES, UM, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT DOING A LITTLE BIT MORE PR WORK, IF YOU WILL.
SO THE RESIDENTS WHOM DID REACH OUT TO US WITH REGARDS TO THE FACILITY BEING MOVED OVER AND THEIR DISPLEASURE IN IT, I WOULD ASK THAT WE, UM, TAKE IT A LITTLE STEP FURTHER AND PERSONALLY INVITE THEM, UM, TO THE MEETINGS BECAUSE THIS, THIS IS OUR THING, A CITY THING THAT WE'RE DOING.
SO I DON'T THINK I'M ASKING FOR ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT WE ASK DEVELOPERS TO DO.
AND REACHING OUT TO THE CITIZENS THAT ARE AROUND.
A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE DON'T GO TO THE HOA MEETINGS, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THESE PEOPLE DON'T, BUT WOULD YOU PLEASE REACH OUT TO EVERYONE THAT'S, THIS IS GONNA BE A BIG CHANGE FOR THEM.
AND WHILE IT MAY BE TWO TO 300 FEET AWAY, YARDS, YARD, I'M SORRY, YARDS, IT'S, IT'S STILL A CHANGE IN THEIR LINE OF VIEW.
AND SO TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THEM EXACTLY THE VIEW THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE, I THINK THAT THEY WOULD APPRECIATE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, I PLACED MYSELF IN THE QUEUE AGAIN, UH, CITY MANAGER.
THIS IS JUST REALLY WHEN WE HAVE NEW DIRECTORS STARTING IN THE DEPARTMENTS, I REALLY LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMEONE THAT'S ABOVE THAT CAN SPEAK TO SOME OF THIS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
NOT THAT THEY CAN'T ANSWER, BUT, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW THAT I DON'T HAVE THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE OR THE HISTORY BEHIND IT.
SO I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR THAT WE HAVE STAFF THAT CAN SPEAK TO OR AT LEAST KNOW WHY WE DID THIS.
I DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE, SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UM, ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 6:35 PM.