[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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UH, LET'S SEE.THE, UH, JANUARY 10TH, 2024 PLANNING, ZONING, COMMISSION MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER.
UM, WE HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS NOT PRESENT TONIGHT.
WE'VE ALREADY BEEN INFORMED OF THAT.
[3. READING OF MINUTES]
OF THE MINUTES, ANY, UH, DISCUSSION, COMMENTS, MOTIONS, MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE THE I DO, I'M READY TO SUSPEND THE, THE ELECTRONICS AND JUST GO OLD SCHOOL.AND SECOND TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS, UH, PRESENTED.
GO AHEAD AND CAST YOUR VOTES, PLEASE.
[4. COMMISSION REPORTS]
FOUR, COMMISSION REPORTS.UH, CHAIR OF THE PLANNING ZONE COMMISSION.
UH, JUST HAPPY NEW YEAR, EVERYONE.
HOPE, HOPEFULLY A PROSPEROUS FOR, FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, ANY, UH, OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY? I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION.
UM, I GUESS ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO WE TALKED ABOUT MURALS.
WILL WE HEAR ABOUT THAT AGAIN SOMETIME SOON? JUST WAS WONDERING ABOUT A STATUS.
IT WILL BE BROUGHT BACK IN 2024, AND WE WILL RESOLVE THAT.
WE HAVE SEVERAL BUSINESSES, UM, THAT ARE ANTICIPATING, UH, THOSE CHANGES.
UH, SO THAT WILL COME BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
UH, STAFF REPORTS, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UM, WAIT, WE, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER, UH, WELL, WE HAD A COUPLE OF OTHER SCHEDULED.
WE'RE GONNA, UH, HOLD OFF ON THE CNA SOUTH AND PRESENT THAT NEXT WEEK OR NEXT MONTH.
WE DO THE ENGINEERING REPORT AND THEN COME BACK.
[b. Engineering]
ENGINEERING.THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR.
UM, ENGINEERING DOESN'T HAVE MUCH TO REPORT AT THIS TIME.
UH, ON PAST EVENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING ATTENTION THOUGH THAT WE ARE, UH, THIS COMING WEEKEND, IT'S A LONG WEEKEND.
UH, CITY IS, UH, CLOSED ON MONDAY IN OBSERVANCE OF MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY.
HOWEVER, WE ARE EXPECTING COLD TEMPERATURES OVER THE COURSE OF SUNDAY, MONDAY, AND TUESDAY.
AND SO, UH, CITY HAS ALREADY BEEN WORKING TO MOBILIZE, UH, IN THE EVENT THAT IT'S NECESSARY TO MOBILIZE.
UM, BUT I JUST ENCOURAGE ALL, UH, COMMISSIONERS AND RESIDENTS OF THE CITY AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S DECIDING TO JOIN US VIRTUALLY THIS EVENING.
UM, TO BE MINDFUL OF THE WEATHER REPORTS AS THEY COME IN, TO STAY IN TUNE WITH THE, UH, CITY CHANNELS, THE OFFICIAL CITY CHANNELS, UM, BUT ALSO LOCAL NEWS, WEATHER, UM, POLICE, FIRE, UH, IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN, WE ARE AWARE, UH, AND AS IF SOMETHING, IF THERE IS AN EVENT TO OCCUR, THE CITY WILL BE, UH, PROACTIVELY COMMUNICATING WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND WHAT ACTIONS THE CITY'S TAKING, IF ANY.
[a. Development Services]
WE WILL MOVE FORWARD TO THE PRESENTATION ON DIVERSIFIED HOUSING.UH, I'M GOING TO TALK BRIEFLY ON DIVERSIFIED HOUSING, WHICH REFERS TO A MIX OF HOUSING TYPES AND LOT SIZES, WHICH HELPS TO CREATE A VIBRANT COMMUNITY MIXED WITH PEOPLE IN ALL AGES AND STAGES OF LIFE.
UH, DIVERSIFIED HOUSING INCLUDES HOUSING THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, LIKE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND APARTMENTS, BUT OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING LIKE OUR SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL COMMUNITIES AND COMMUNITY HOUSING, WHICH, UH, COURTYARD HOUSING, WHICH IS WHAT I'M GOING TO SPEAK ON.
UH, IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR, UH, WE PRESENTED SIENNA SECTION 65 FINAL PLATT.
AND THIS PLATT SHOWCASES A TYPE OF HOUSING THAT IS NEW TO MISSOURI CITY.
UH, FROM THIS IMAGE, YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENCES IN THE LOT SIZE, THE HOME ORIENTATION, UM, AND THE LOT SHAPE.
THIS SLIDE PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT COURTYARD HOUSING CAN LOOK LIKE IN SOME INSTANCES.
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AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE FOUR HOMES WITH A SHARED DRIVEWAY.THEY HAVE SMALLER GREEN SPACE SURROUNDING THE HOMES, UM, AND, UH, A SMALLER SIZE LOT OVERALL.
NOW, I ALSO NEED YOU TO REMEMBER SOMETHING ELSE FROM LAST YEAR WHEN WE PRESENTED SOME CENSUS INFORMATION TO YOU.
AND, UH, WE PROVIDED THIS IMAGE HERE, WHICH BROKE DOWN THE MISSOURI CITY POPULATION BY AGE AND GROUP, UH, BLOCK GROUP.
AND, UM, WE ALSO EXPLAINED HOW ONE OF THE GOALS OF THE CITY IS TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE IN ALL STAGES AND AGES OF THEIR LIFE.
AND ONE OF THE WAYS WE CAN DO THIS IS BY PROVIDING VARIOUS TYPES OF HOUSING.
UH, COURTYARD HOUSING IS OFTEN REFERRED TO AS THE MID MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING BECAUSE IT CAN CREATE HOMES IN A WAY THAT MAKES IT MORE WALKABLE, UH, WITH A MORE INVITING ENVIRONMENT.
AND ALONG THE LINES OF MORE AFFORDABLE, OF COURSE, WITH CURRENT OPERATIONS COSTS, AFFORDABLE IS DEBATABLE.
SO HOUSTON RECENTLY CONDUCTED A SURVEY TITLED LIVABLE SPACES.
IN THAT STUDY, THEY DEFINE COURTYARD HOUSING AS A CLUSTER OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES LOCATED AROUND A SHARED COURTYARD.
THEY PROVIDED AN EXAMPLE OF PEOPLE WHO'VE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN LIVING IN THIS STYLE OF HOUSING AND IDENTIFIED SOME OF THE BENEFITS THAT THIS STYLE OF HOUSING CAN BRING.
IN ADDITION, HOUSTON HAS ADOPTED A POLICY WHICH LOOKS TO INCORPORATE COURTYARD HOUSING AS WELL AS OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING ON SMALLER LOTS IN THEIR INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
THIS EXAMPLE OF COURTYARD HOUSING WITH FOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND ONE JOINT DRIVEWAY CAN BE FOUND IN A FEW PLACES IN THE HOUSTON AREA.
CYPRUS IN A COMMUNITY CALLED BRIDGELAND, KATY IN THE COMMUNITY OF ELLISON AND IOWA COLONY IN THE COMMUNITY OF MERIDA.
AND THIS EXAMPLE OF COURTYARD HOUSING IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE CAN EXPECT IN SIENNA.
NOW THAT EVERYBODY IS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT OUR NEW TYPE OF HOUSING, WE'RE GOING TO BRING THIS BACK TO WHAT IT MEANS TO US.
SO NOW THAT WE KNOW WE HAVE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOUSING IN THE AREA, WE HAVE TO EVALUATE OUR CURRENT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND SEE HOW THAT TYPE OF HOUSING MEASURES UP TO OUR STANDARDS.
AND IF YOU CAN REMEMBER ONE MORE THING FROM LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID THE SIENNA MUD DISTRICT TWO ANNEXATION, OUR STAFF PRESENTED TO YOU THAT DURING THE ANNEXATION PROCESS, WE HAVE TO ASSIGN A ZONING DESIGNATION TO THAT AREA.
AND WE HAD TO ASSIGN THOSE DESIGNATIONS BASED ON OUR CURRENT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
AND NOT ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S IN THAT AREA PROPERLY MET UP.
SO WE HAD TO DO THE BEST THAT WE COULD WITH WHAT WE HAD.
SO NOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THE FUTURE IS WE ARE GOING TO OPEN UP THIS RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS FOR EVALUATION BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW WE HAVE AND WHAT WE KNOW IS COMING.
AND THERE'S TWO BENEFITS TO THIS.
ONE IS, IN THE FUTURE, IF WE ANNEX THIS AREA, CI 65 INTO THE CITY LIMITS, WE WILL HAVE A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR IT.
THE SECOND BENEFIT IS BY CREATING MORE DIVERSE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, OPENS UP THE CITY LIMITS TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS TYPE.
SO YOU CAN EXPECT IN THE FUTURE OR
AND WHEN WE GO TO UPDATE OUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, WE WILL LOOK AT AREAS THAT HAVE EXISTING ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT ARE APPLICABLE.
AND WE WILL, THESE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES OF CITIES THAT HAVE THEM.
THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE CLOSE BY BRYAN TEXAS, AND THERE'S OTHERS THAT ARE FURTHER AWAY.
SPOKANE, WASHINGTON, AND PORTLAND, OREGON.
SO THIS IS JUST A REPORT ON HOUSING THAT YOU CAN EXPECT TO SEE IN MISSOURI CITY IN SIENNA.
UH, RIGHT NOW, WE JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT YOU THINK, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE NOT STARTED THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, BUT, UH, DUR DURING OUR ONGOING COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS, WE DO PLAN TO INCORPORATE A HOUSING ASPECT WHERE WE'LL LOOK AT THE HOUSING TYPES AND WE'LL ALSO CONSIDER HOW GREEN SPACE IS GOING TO PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN THIS NEW TYPE OF HOUSING SINCE THEY HAVE SMALLER LOTS AND SMALLER GREEN SPACE.
AND THAT IS ALL I I, I DO HAVE, THANK YOU.
UH, THAT TYPE OF HOUSING STYLE, DO WE FORESEE THAT BEING IN OTHER AREAS OF MISSOURI CITY BESIDES JUST SNA? WELL, RIGHT NOW IT CAN'T BE PUT INTO CITY LIMITS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN APPROPRIATE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT FOR IT.
SO THE ONLY PLACE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT AT THIS TIME IS THE ETJ.
BUT LATER ON IN THE FUTURE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE ONCE WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE ZONING.
AND THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE
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REPORTING OUT TO THE COMMISSION NOW.'CAUSE AS YOU KNOW, PART OF YOUR ROLE IS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO TRYING TO HEAD OFF BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, SEE THAT DEMAND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO COME INTO THE CITY THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT OUR POSITION IS, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A PLACE, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT TYPE OF PRODUCT WITHIN THE CITY.
SO, IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION IS DRIVEN BY THE CITY AND NOT BY A DEMAND FROM DEVELOPERS FOR WANTING TO PUT THIS IN? OKAY.
AND SO IS THAT SOMETHING THE CITY WOULD THEN TRY AND DRIVE THROUGH DEVELOPERS AS PROPOSING, TRYING TO PUT THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS IN OR THESE LITTLE IN SUBDIVISIONS? HOW DO YOU SEE THAT? I HOW DO YOU SEE THAT GROWING? I THINK WHEN WE DO OUR COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS, WE'LL INCORPORATE THE IDEA, BUT THEN WHEN WE, WHEN WE GET FURTHER ALONG FOR THE COMMUNITY ASPECTS, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D WANNA RECEIVE FEEDBACK ON FROM THE COMMUNITY TO SEE IF THERE WAS AN INTEREST BEFORE WE WOULD TRY TO DRIVE ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE.
AND I THINK FOR THE COMMISSION TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT THESE COMMUNITIES ARE POPPING UP VERY CLOSE MM-HMM.
AND SO WE'RE POSITIONED, WE HAVE THE TOOLS IN ORDER TO RESPOND.
WELL, THE REALITY IS IT IS HAPPENING.
AND I SEE IT ALL THE TIME IN HOUSTON, AND ESPECIALLY IN SOME OF THE URBAN AREAS, BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAXIMIZE THAT SMALL LOT.
AND SO FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT SOME FOLKS TO COME OUT THIS WAY, UH, WE NEED TO BE INVOLVED AND GET THOSE THINGS OUT HERE ALSO AS THE AVAILABILITY OF LAND DIMINISHES EVEN MORE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[6. PUBLIC COMMENT]
SIX, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
WE DO HAVE ONE RESIDENT WHO SIGNED UP MR. WILLIAM CRONIN.
I LIVE AT 9 0 2 PINE ONE DRIVE
UM, MY CONCERN, UH, LAST FRIDAY, WE HAD A SUDDEN RAIN STORM HERE, AND, UH, IT DIDN'T TOTALLY FLOOD MY HOUSE, BUT THE WATER GOT UP TWO OR THREE INCHES UP TO MY HOUSE.
AND THE, THE CONCERN I HAVE, I KNOW THE CITY IS WORKING ON A, UH, APPROPRIATION FUNDS FROM THE CBD TO MONEY TO DO SOME DRAINAGE EVALUATION ON PINE MEADOW DRIVE.
AND THAT'S, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HEAR SOME RESULT THIS, THIS MONTH.
UH, SO IT'S IN THE PROGRESS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS IN THE MEANTIME.
THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE IS THAT, UM, WHEN I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, I GOT A PLAT WITH
AND IT HAS AN ENGINEERING ASSESSMENT FOR DRAINAGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A NEW ONE THAT'S BEEN APPROVED THAT OVERRIDES THIS.
SO MY CONCERN, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG, OKAY, THAT THE, THERE'S A DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT GOES AROUND THE WHOLE PRO, UH, SUBDIVISION.
AND RECENTLY, BECAUSE OF THE, THE HAR HARVEY HURRICANE NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE, IN THE, IN THE SUBDIVISION, HAS BEEN ALLOCATED AND ALLOWED TO RAISE THEIR HOME LEVEL GRADES TO TWO TO THREE FEET ABOVE THE STREET GRADE.
SUBSEQUENTLY, ALL THIS RISING LAND IS CREATING A PA A PONDING EFFECT ON MY PROPERTY.
ON MY THINKING IS THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO NEW ENGINEERING ASSESSMENT DONE YET, THEY SHOULD COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S CODE AND REQUIRING, UH, CONDITION OF EASEMENTS.
AND EVEN IF THEY RAISE THE HOME LEVEL, THEY SHOULD NOT BE BLOCKING OR RAISING THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT UNTIL IT'S ASSESSED AS HOW THAT WATER IS GOING TO, TO FLOW.
DO I, DOES THAT MAKE ANY UNDERSTAND THAT? SO I WOULD ADDRESS THAT WHOMEVER RECEIVES THIS INFORMATION WOULD DEAL WITH EITHER GIVING PERMITS OR CORRECTING THESE PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED, THAT ARE BEING BACKFILLED, MAYBE WITHOUT PERMISSION, MAYBE WHATEVER REASON.
UM, AND SUBSEQUENTLY CAUSING DRAINAGE, UH, CONTRARY TO ITS ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL DESIGN.
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WITH THAT WHAT YOU HONOR.[a. CONSENT AGENDA]
SEVEN, PLATTS THE CONSENT AGENDA.ITEM ONE, CONSIDER AN APPLICATION OF A FINAL PLATT FOR SIENNA PARKWAY, SECTION SIX STREET DEDICATION.
ITEM TWO, CONSIDER AN APPLICATION OF A FINAL PLATT FOR TEXAS PARKWAY PLAZA.
ANY DISCUSSION? MOTIONS WITH A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SOAY.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER O'MALLEY.
YOU AHEAD AND CAST YOUR VOTES, PLEASE.
[b. FORT BEND ISD SIENNA SCHOOL]
B, FORT BEND, ISD SIENNA SCHOOL.CONSIDER AN APPLICATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLATT FOR FORT BEND, ISD SIENNA SCHOOL.
I'M GONNA PRESENT THIS, UH, TONIGHT.
UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON HERE IS TO DISAPPROVE.
IS THERE A POSSIBILITY WE COULD GET THAT ON OUR SCREENS? WHAT WE HAVE IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
IF WE PULL UP THE DISPLAYS LIKE WE NORMALLY DO.
CAN YOU, YEAH, I'VE GOT A HALLOWEEN DISPLAY.
IT'S JUST EASIER, YOUR HONOR, ESPECIALLY FOR ME.
WE'LL, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET THE SCREENS TAKEN CARE OF FAIRLY, FAIRLY QUICKLY.
SO THE PC DISPLAY IS NOT SHOWING THE YEAH, THAT'S WHAT IT'S SHOWING.
'CAUSE USUALLY WHEN YOU HIT THE OTHER BUTTON, I GET WHAT'S UP THERE.
WHAT'S UP THERE? THEY'RE ALL WAY.
DIDN'T MEAN TO BRING IT, BRING IT TO A GRINDING HALL.
I I THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD SEE THAT TOO.
IT SHOULDN'T BE A HALLOWEEN DISPLAY.
I THOUGHT WE WAS JUST, WELL, IT SAYS IT'S SUNDAY, DECEMBER 31ST.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO CONTINUE? OKAY.
WE WILL GIVE THEM ONE MORE MINUTE.
ARE YOU ALL ABLE TO SEE TODAY'S AGENDA? YES.
ON YOUR SCREEN? THE PACKETS THERE? YEAH, THE PACKETS THERE.
WELL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE THEN.
UM, SO THE FORT BEND, ISD, UM, AND IT'S ACTUALLY THE SIENNA SCHOOL.
UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL DEFICIENCIES FOUND ON THIS PLATT AS SUBMITTED.
UH, SOME ARE RELATIVELY MINOR, BUT THE TWO MAJOR ITEMS, UM, ON THIS PLATT IS IT'S A SUBDIVISION IN NOWHERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND SO THE STREETS THAT ARE SHOWN ON, UH, THE SUBDIVISION PLATT HAVE NOT BEEN PLATTED OR IDENTIFIED SEPARATELY.
UM, SO THERE'S NO ACCESS, UH, TO THIS SUBDIVISION AS YET.
UM, AND TYPICALLY THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD DISCUSS WITH THE APPLICANT PRIOR TO SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION IN A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING.
UM, IT'S A, THEY'RE, UM, WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UM, HOWEVER, THE, UM, THEY HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH THE DEVELOPER, UM, AS WELL, UM, ON THE STREET, UM, LAYOUT AND PLATTING AND TIMING OF THE STREETS.
SO WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION, WHAT THE CONDITIONS INCLUDE OR THE REASONS FOR THE DISAPPROVAL INCLUDE, UM, IS FOR THEM TO COME MEET WITH STAFF IN A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING SO THAT WE CAN, UM, LOOK AT THE TIMELINE AND, UH, SEE WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PLATT TO COME FORWARD.
BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT'S PREMATURE, UM, FOR THIS PLAT TO BE SUBMITTED IN THE FORM THAT IT'S SUBMITTED.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO DISAPPROVE.
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THAT THERE WAS NO INFORMATION ON THE PLAT, BASICALLY.HOW DID IT EVEN GET ON HERE? OKAY.
IT, IT'S ONE OF THOSE, I THINK THEY WERE TRYING TO BE, UM, UH, PREEMPTIVE.
UM, BUT THEY'RE A LITTLE TOO FAR AHEAD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PEARSON, SECOND BY MR. O'MALLEY.
THE QUESTION IS THE MOTION TO APPROVE OR TO DENY THE MOTION IS TO DISAPPROVE? YES, SIR.
THAT'S ANOTHER SHORTCOMING OF THE, OF THE ELECTRONIC SYSTEM.
SO I'M VOTING TO DISAPPROVE IT.
BUT SO, WHICH, SO DISAPPROVAL MEANS YOU'RE VOTE VOTING IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
SO THE MOTION, THE RECOMMENDATION, CHANGE IT.
ON MY WAY OVER HERE, I WAS THINKING ABOUT JUST A BAND, NEW ELECTRONICS.
OLD SCHOOL WORKS ALL THE TIME WITH BEARD.
[c. PARKLAND DEDICATION]
UH, ITEM C PARKLAND.COULD CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR PARKLAND.
I'M A PLANNER WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO FOR THIS ITEM, THE MISSOURI CITY PARKS BOARD, BASED ON STAFF'S GUIDANCE, ISSUED A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE APPROVAL OF A PARKLAND DEDICATION OR CASH IN LIEU OF $9,800.
FROM THE DEVELOPERS OF MEADOWVIEW ESTATES, UH, THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT TAKING PLACE JUST SOUTH OF OILFIELD ROAD AND WEST OF HIGHWAY SIX.
THE DEVELOPMENT CONSISTS OF SIX SINGLE FAMILY UNITS.
UH, CITY ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT THE DEDICATION OF EITHER 0.01 ACRES OF LAND PER UNIT OR A PAYMENT OF $1,400 PER UNIT, UM, GOES TO ENHANCE PARKS AND TRAILS IN THE DEVELOPMENTS PARK ZONE.
UM, THE ORDINANCE DISCOURAGES THE DEDICATION OF PARKLAND LESS THAN 0.5 ACRES.
AND IN THIS, SO IN THIS INSTANCE, CA, A CASH PAYMENT WOULD BE PREFERRED.
THE PARKS MASTER PLAN ADVISES THAT ALL DEVELOPMENTS SHOULD BE WITHIN 0.5 MILES OF PARKLAND TRAILS OR SOME OTHER METHOD OF PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY.
UH, THERE ARE PARKS LOCATED WITHIN 0.5 MILES OF, OF THIS, UH, LOCATION.
UM, THE PARKS AND REC STAFF, UH, IS CURRENTLY LOOKING INTO ENHANCING THE CITY'S TRAIL SYSTEM.
AND IF THIS AREA SEES SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT, CONNECTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD INTO THE TRAIL SYSTEM MIGHT BE A FUTURE POSSIBILITY.
UM, AND A ABOVE, YOU'LL SEE AN IMAGE OF THE SITE OR ON YOUR SCREEN.
UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YOU HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
WOULD CAST YOUR VOTES, PLEASE.
[a. PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TIMBER FALLS]
MAP AMENDMENTS OUTTA MAY.PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TIMBER FALLS.
PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE COMMENT FOR AGAINST A REQUEST BY CHAD MILLS TO AMEND PD PLAN IS PLAN DEVELOPMENT, BLAH, I CAN'T SAY THE WORD.
TO REMOVE AN APPROXIMATE 6.969 ACRE TRACT OF LAND INTO AMEND PD 83 TO AN ADD AN APPROXIMATE 6.969 ACRE TRACT TO THE LAND TO ALLOW FOR THE OUTDOOR STORAGE YARD COVERED MANUFACTURING AREA AND OFFICE WAREHOUSE SPACE.
OKAY, THIS IS A TWO-PART REQUEST.
THE FIRST PART OF THE REQUEST IS TO REMOVE THE NINE 6.969 ACRES FROM PD 85.
UH, THERE ARE GONNA BE NO OTHER CHANGES TO THAT PD FOR PD 83.
THIS IS THE EXISTING PD THAT'S ENCOMPASSING MILLS DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION.
THE PROPERTY REMOVED WILL BE USED TOWARDS EXPANSION OF THE CURRENT OPERATIONS OF MILLS DEVELOPMENT, AND ALSO AN AREA
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FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT FOR EITHER AN OUTSIDE BUSINESS OR FOR THE COMPANY ITSELF.MILLS CONSTRUCTION HAS SUBMITTED A FEW DIFFERENT LAYOUTS, WHICH YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN IN THE PACKET THAT YOU RECEIVED.
THIS IS BECAUSE THE PHASE TWO DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE OFFICE SPACES ARE GOING TO BE, IS NOT SET IN STONE YET.
THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THAT BASED ON THE NEEDS OF THEIR TENANT OR THE NEEDS OF THEMSELVES.
THE CONCEPT PLAN PROPOSES AN OPEN TRUCK EQUIPMENT STORAGE AREA, AN OPEN INVENTORY STORAGE AREA, DUMPSTERS, A COVERED MANUFACTURED AREA, AND BETWEEN 30 TO 40,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE WAREHOUSE SPACE.
AND AN APPROVAL IS RECOMMENDED BECAUSE THIS REQUEST MEETS GOALS TWO AND FIVE OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SPECIFICALLY GOAL TWO, BY PROVIDING VARIED DEVELOPMENT TYPES TO PROMOTE AND SUSTAIN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LONG TERM.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS ALSO IN LINE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN STAFF DOES HAVE A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPLY TO THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT I'LL GO OVER NEXT.
UM, THE PHASE ONE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A DEVIATION TO THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS.
THIS IS THE STORAGE, MANUFACTURING, AND SERVICE YARD AREA.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE REDUCTION OF THE CANOPY TREES AND VEGETATION IN THIS AREA AS REQUIRED IN SECTION 11.4 OF OUR ORDINANCE.
AND THE USE OF A PRECAST STONE FACADE WALL IN LIEU OF THE TRADITIONAL MASONRY WALL FOR THE PHASE TWO LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE, AGAIN, THE ALLOWANCE OF THE PRECAST CONCRETE WALL WITH THE STONE FACADE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL LINE PROPERTY LINE AND THIS DEVELOPMENT AREA.
UM, AS WELL AS ALL OF THE VEGETATION REQUIREMENTS THAT SECTION 11 OF OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES.
PD 83 CURRENTLY ALLOWS FOR A PLANT TRELLIS SYSTEM TO SERVE AS SCREENING FOR THE SERVICE YARD STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE EIGHT FOOT TALL PRECAST CONCRETE WALL AS SEEN IN THE EXAMPLE HERE ALONG THE PERIMETER OF ALL AREAS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.
THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY SHOWN THIS IN THEIR CONCEPT PLAN.
AND MILLS CONSTRUCTION HAS INDICATED THAT THEY WILL INSTALL THIS PERIMETER CONCRETE WALL DURING THEIR PHASE ONE DEVELOPMENT FOR PHASE TWO AS WELL.
SO THEY'LL PUT THAT WHOLE FENCE IN AT THE SAME TIME.
THERE ARE A FEW OTHER ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, WHICH INCLUDES SECTION C, HEIGHT AND AREA.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO PLACE THE MANUFACTURED AREA AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AS DEPICTED IN SITE PLANS B TWO THROUGH B FOUR TO REDUCE ANY NOISE, LIGHTING, OR VIBRATION CONCERNS THE RESIDENTS MAY HAVE.
SECTION E THE TRASH DISPOSAL AREA IS ALSO REQUIRED TO BE LOCATED AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AS DEPICTED IN CONCEPT PLANS B TWO THROUGH B FOUR SECTION H PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THE EXISTING PD 83, WE HAVE PROVIDED FOR A MINIMUM PARKING SPACES.
UH, BUT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING FOR THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT SECTION 12 OF THE CITY ORDINANCE BE APPLIED.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE FULL PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
THE LAST SLIDE IS OUR PUBLIC NOTICE SCHEDULE, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHEN WE NOTIFIED PEOPLE AND WHEN THE UPCOMING CITY COUNCIL HEARING IS SCHEDULED.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS ON THE STAFF REPORT? SEEING NONE, DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO, UH, SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? SURE.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO, BUT WE HAVE TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY.
UH, I, I I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
SAY I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.
UH, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING? YES.
ACTUALLY EVERYTHING THAT WAS ON THE RECOMMENDATION OUTSIDE OF THE THING MAY, MAYBE THE PARKING, MAYBE WE JUST HAD THE IT WRONG, BUT WE'LL, WE CAN GET IT FIXED.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE COMMITTED TO KEEPING OUR STUFF LOOKING GOOD.
AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT EXPANDING AND STAYING IN MISSOURI CITY.
UM, I GUESS MAYBE JUST A SIDE QUESTION TOO, IS THE REPORT DOESN'T KIND OF INDICATE WHY WE'RE DOING KIND OF A LAND SWAP THING.
IS IT JUST FOR, IT'S NOT A LAND SWAP, IT'S AN EXPANSION, UM,
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LAND OUTTA ONE PD AND PUTTING IT IN ANOTHER ONE.WELL, HE, SO AND I WAS GONNA SAY, BECAUSE THAT IMAGE THAT YOU SAW OF THE WALL IS ACTUALLY THE BRIDGE THAT EXISTS ON THEIR SITE TODAY.
SO IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEIR LOCATION, UM, OVER IN WHERE THAT PD 83 IS SHOWN, I MAY ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK.
'CAUSE IT'S A VERY NICE, UM, FACILITY.
SO THEY'RE EXPANDING THEIR CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS AND, UH, SEEKING TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL ACREAGE.
AND SO IT'S GONNA ADD, THEY WANNA ADD THAT INTO THEIR EXISTING ZONING.
UM, SO THEIR SITE WOULD ACTUALLY INCREASE IN SIZE.
WE'RE REMOVE, WE'RE ONLY BUYING A PORTION OF PD 85.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE REMOVING THAT PORTION.
I'M MISTAKENLY THOUGHT YOU HAD BOTH OF THEM.
SO YOU, SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF PURCHASING.
SO WE'RE SHRINKING 83 AND ADDING, OR WE'RE SHRINKING 85.
AND YOU, AND INCREASING ADDING LAND TO YOUR, OH, THERE WE GO.
WHEN, WHEN WE DEVELOPED 83, I THOUGHT THAT WOULD LAST FOREVER.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE CRUSHED CONCRETE BEING, UH, THE FLOOR THAT YOU'RE GOING TO USE FOR ALL YOUR HEAVY EQUIPMENT? YEP.
HAVE YOU HAD A CRUSHED CONCRETE, UM, PARKING LOT BEFORE? IT'S MAINTENANCE NIGHTMARE, BUT, UH, SO I HAVE SEVEN CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES.
ONE OF 'EM IS A CIVIL COMPANY.
I MEAN, WE HAVE CRUSHED CONCRETE, OUR EXISTING, YEAH.
WE HAVE AN EXISTING HALF ACRE YARD.
THE MAJORITY OF THIS YARD IS ACTUALLY GONNA HOUSE.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE PRECAST MAIN.
WE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A MANUFACTURING PLANT IN OLSHER, UH, WHERE WE MAKE THE PRECAST CONCRETE FENCE.
SO THE FENCE THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT UP, WE'LL ACTUALLY MAKE, UH, PRODUCE AND INSTALL.
UH, SO THE MAJORITY OF IT IS JUST, IS LITERALLY JUST HOLDING.
THE, BUT YES, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF MAINTENANCE.
WELL, I'M JUST, I, I TRY TO BE THE VOICE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS.
ONE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS WAS TALKING EARLIER, UH, HIS CONCERNS ABOUT FLOOD AND FLOOD CONTROL AND THE NEW REPORT THAT'S GONNA COME OUT FROM ENGINEERING, AND HE'S ONLY ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, 600 METERS FROM YOUR DRIVEWAY.
UM, SO I'M TRYING TO BE THE VOICE FOR THEM.
ALSO WITH DUST SUPPRESSION ON CRUSHED CONCRETE ON A WINDY DAY.
UH, TOUGH TO KEEP A CAR CLEAN IF YOU'RE ANYWHERE NEAR YOUR CRUSHED CONCRETE.
THERE WERE SOME DUST SUPPRESSION DISCUSSION WE HAD AT OUR BRIEF.
I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA, DO WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR? UH, WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN.
UM, THERE WON'T BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THE CRUSHED CONCRETE BECAUSE IT, IT'S, I MEAN, WE, WE STACK THESE PANELS VERTICALLY, AND THERE'S A LOT OF THEM.
AND WE ONLY LOAD ABOUT THREE TO FIVE TRUCKS A DAY, 18 WHEELERS.
AND THEY ONLY ONLY HOLD SIX PANELS.
SO LITERALLY THE DRIVING'S A FORKLIFT AND IT GOES DOWN THESE ROWS, AND IT DOES THAT FOR ABOUT TWO TO THREE HOURS A DAY.
BUT IT DOES, IT IS A LOT OF, I MEAN, AT OUR CURRENT PLACE, WE HAVE A TON OF MAINTENANCE.
WE'RE ALWAYS, LITERALLY, ALWAYS MAINTAINING IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS, APPRECI.
APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TOO.
WHERE ARE WE? MOTION, ARE WE, UH, WE DO HAVE ONE RESIDENT WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS.
WE HAVE, UH, SOMEBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, MR. WILLIAM CRONIN COMMISSION.
I LIVE IN 9 0 2 PINE MEADOW DRIVE.
UM, HE HAS A WONDERFUL PROPERTY OVER THERE.
I THINK IT'S REALLY, UH, REALLY A, A BENEFIT TO THE CITY OF MISSOURI CITY TO HAVE THAT FACILITY THERE, UNLIKE THE OTHER ONE THAT'S IN FRONT OF IT.
WHICH WE WANT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHY I'M HERE.
SO, UM, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT, I AM SUPPORTIVE.
I WOULD ASK YOU TO REALLY CONSIDER THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THIS BRAND HERE HAS BEEN AN EYESORE FOR THE CITY FOR YEARS.
A LOT OF TRASH ARE BEING DUMPED OVER THERE.
IT'S BEEN A MAINTAINING ISSUE.
UM, I KNOW THE LAST COUPLE, UH, APPLICATIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT, UM, PARTICULARLY THE LAST ONE, DID PROVIDE A DRAINAGE, UH, RETAINING POND.
THERE IS A LOT OF 'EM THERE IN ALL THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, IT HAS REALLY ALLEVIATED THE FLOODING ISSUE IN THE WHOLE AREA.
THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE, UH, CAN CANOSE BAYOU HAS BEEN EXPANDED AND SO FORTH.
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IMMEDIATE RUNOFF IS STILL A PROBLEM WHEN YOU GET THAT THE SUDDEN STORMS IN HERE.AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND OR FOR THE FUTURE, OTHER LENGTH.
UH, THE ONLY THING I I QUESTION ABOUT HIS PROPERTY IS IN THE BACK CORNER WHERE HIS STORAGE IS.
IF YOU WOULD DRIVE OVER THERE, THAT FENCE LINE THAT A GIANTS TO THE OTHER PROPERTY SEEMS TO BE SOMEWHAT CONCERNED.
BUT, UH, AND THE OTHER THING WOULD BE NOISE.
I'M SURPRISED THAT MY OTHER TENANTS, THE LETTER WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SENT TO EVERYONE.
THAT THEY DIDN'T COME OUT TO SPEAK TO THIS BEFORE OR AGAINST IT.
IT IS BEEN AN ISSUE BECAUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT IS, A LOT OF TRUCKING GOING, AND THERE'S A LOT OF NOISE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE EIGHT FOOT WALL WILL IMMEDIATELY, YOU KNOW, ALLEVIATE NOISE.
MY WIFE MIGHT BE GETTING THIS.
I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT RUNOFF WATER, AS I SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER.
AND I HOPE THAT THAT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED WITH THE, UH, PERMITS DEPARTMENT.
AT ANY RATE, I SUPPORT THE CAUSE.
I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S TIME TO TAKE CARE OF THAT PROPERTY OVER THERE.
THE PRESENT OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY OR PREVIOUS OWNER THAT BEEN CHANGED.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THAT DEVELOPED AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS MOVING.
I THINK THIS IS A POSITIVE FOR THE CITY.
NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO, UH, SPEAK ON THIS, SO WE'LL HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WHAT? CONSIDER IMPO CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ON DISCUSSION.
UH, WELL, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR MARCUS.
I'M ASSUMING THAT DUE DILIGENCE, UH, AROUND DRAINAGE IS, IS WILL OCCUR ON THIS PROPERTY? YES.
DUE DILIGENCE AROUND DRAINAGE WILL OCCUR.
THERE'S ADEQUATE CAPACITY WITHIN THE, UH, KOSI, UH, DETENTION BASIN AFTER THE RECENT EXPANSIONS, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE THIS DRAINAGE.
AND SO IT WILL, UM, WHAT THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE EXISTING DRAINAGE FACILITIES THAT THIS PROPERTY WILL PROBABLY TIE INTO.
I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR, UH, THE DESIGN ENGINEER ON THIS, BUT WE WILL WORK THROUGH, UH, WITH THE DESIGN ENGINEER TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL RUNOFF FROM THIS PROPERTY ONLY GOES INTO PUBLIC DRAINAGE, UH, EASEMENTS.
THIS IS NOT, UH, ENCROACH ON ANY OTHER PROPERTY.
I, I ASSUME THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE IT ON THE RECORD.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR, OR COMMENTS? UH, I THINK MR. O'MALLEY HAS MADE A MOTION TO, TO, UH, APPROVE THIS AND FORWARD IT TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
AND, AND WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CAST OUR VOTES.
[b. PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT DAHANI GROUP]
B PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR DHANI GROUP.DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? DHANI, UM, PUBLIC HEARING RECEIVED COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST THE REQUEST BY DPEG, VICKSBURG LP TO AMEND THE ACREAGE CONTAINED AND THE RULES AND RESTRICTIONS CONTAINED IN SECTION FOUR OF PD PLAN, DISTRICT AND DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
ONE 17 PERTAINING TO HEIGHT AND AREA REQUIREMENTS, GARAGE REGULATIONS, LANDSCAPE REGULATIONS, AND DEFENSE REGULATIONS.
I'M GONNA PRESENT THIS FOR YOU.
UM, IF YOU RECALL, UH, PD NUMBER 17 IS LOCATED ON HIGHWAY SIX, UH, NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF VICKSBURG AND HIGHWAY SIX.
UM, IT'S, UH, BETWEEN WHERE THE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RENTALS, UH, IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, I BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING UNDER THE MARKET NAME INSPIRE HOMES.
SO THAT SIGN MAY BE OUT THERE NOW.
UM, AND THEN THE KROGER, UH, SHOPPING CENTER GOING TOWARDS THE TOW ROAD.
UH, SO PD UH, ONE 17 WAS APPROVED IN 2022, UM, FOR A MIXED USE, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO INCLUDE, UH, LC THREE RETAIL USES ALONG THE HIGHWAY SIX FRONTAGE, AND THEN MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES, UH, TO THE REAR OF THAT.
SO THIS WOULD BE UNIFIED, UM, UH, DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT PD.
UH, SO WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED TODAY IS, UH, RE-LOOKING AT, UH, THREE SPECIFIC, UH, REQUIREMENTS, UM, OF THAT PD.
UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS GONE THROUGH THE PLATING PROCESS.
IT HAS GONE THROUGH, UH, THE PARKLAND DEDICATION PROCESS.
IT'S GONE THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS, UM,
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AND IT HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR PERMIT PLANTS.UM, AND SO, UH, AS THEY'RE PREPARING, UH, TO PULL THOSE PERMITS, UH, THEY WANTED TO REEVALUATE, UH, SOME OF THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH SOME OF THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UM, AND LOOK AT, UH, THE UNIFIED, UH, DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE SPEEDY.
UM, SO I'M GONNA, UH, JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZE WHAT, UH, THOSE, UH, REQUESTS ARE.
UM, AND THEN I KNOW THE, UM, MEMBERS OF THE, UM, UM, APPLICANT ARE HERE AS WELL.
UM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM.
SO THE FIRST REQUEST, UH, IS SUMMARIZED AS, UH, THE, UH, REQUIREMENT OR BASICALLY THE REQUEST TO REMOVE FIREWALL SEPARATION.
UM, AND SO THERE ARE NINE TOTAL APARTMENT BUILDINGS, UH, THAT ARE PROPOSED.
AND SO THIS IS, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE LAYOUT OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND THE ASSOCIATED PARKING, UM, OF THOSE BUILDINGS IDENTIFIED ON THE SCREEN.
UM, THERE ARE THREE BUILDING TYPES, UH, THAT HAVE, UM, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS WITHIN THOSE BUILDING TYPES THAT EXCEED THE ZONING REQUIREMENT FOR MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS PER BUILDING.
AND SO, UH, DESIGN-WISE, UH, WHAT THEY DID WAS TO CREATE A FIREWALL SEPARATION IN ORDER TO CREATE EFFECTIVELY TWO BUILDINGS, UM, IN A SINGLE STRUCTURE.
AND SO THAT WOULD MEET THE DENSITY REQUIREMENT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, PHYSICALLY, YOU KNOW, ON THE GROUND YOU'D SEE ONE STRUCTURE.
UM, BUT, UH, TECHNICALLY THE WAY THAT IT'S DESIGNED, IT WOULD BE TWO.
UH, SO THE REQUEST IS, UH, TO AMEND THE PD AND ALLOW FOR THOSE THREE BUILDING TYPES, BUILDING TYPE THREE, BUILDING TYPE FOUR, AND BUILDING TYPE NINE, UH, TO EXCEED THE ZONING DENSITY REQUIREMENT, UM, TO CONTAIN MORE THAN 24 DWELLING UNITS PER BUILDING.
UM, FOR BUILDING THREE, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS IS 42 UNITS AND BUILDINGS FOUR AND NINE, UM, CONTAIN 48, UH, TOTAL UNITS.
AGAIN, THIS HAS ALREADY GONE THROUGH PERMIT REVIEW.
SO ALL OTHER BUILDING CODES, FIRE CODES, UM, REQUIREMENTS, ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND VETTED.
UM, THE OTHER ITEM I WANT TO, UM, BRING TO THE COMMISSION IS, UH, PD NUMBER 17 CAPS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF, UH, MULTIFAMILY DWELLING UNITS FOR THE ENTIRE, UM, PD AT 280.
UM, SO REGARDLESS OF HOW IT'S DISTRIBUTED, UM, IN THE LAYOUT ON THE SITE, THEY CAN'T EXCEED, UH, THAT TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS, UM, UH, IN THEIR LAYOUT.
AND THEIR CURRENT APPROVAL IS WITHIN, UH, THOSE, THOSE BOUNDS AS WELL.
UH, SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, UM, UH, FOR THEM TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM, UH, NUMBER OF THE WELLING UNITS PER BUILDING FOR THESE THREE, UH, BUILDING TYPES.
THE OTHER PROPOSAL, UH, IS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF COVERED PARKING, UM, CONTAINED WITHIN THE SITE.
AND THIS IS AGAIN, AN IMAGE LAYOUT.
UM, THE COLORS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED, UM, ON THERE ARE, UH, THE BLACK ARE THE GARAGES, UH, THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.
AND THEN THE YELLOW ARE THE CARPORTS, UH, THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED, UM, FOR THE COMMISSION.
UH, THE CITY'S CODES REQUIRE THAT FOR MULTIFAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENTS THAT THEY, UH, PROVIDE, UM, HALF OF THE REQUIRED MINIMUM PARKING, UM, WITHIN COVERED PARKING OF THE TOTAL MINIMUM PARKING, A QUARTER OF THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE CONTAINED IN GARAGE STRUCTURES.
UM, SO THIS IS A REQUEST TO REDUCE THAT BASICALLY BY HALF.
UM, SO INSTEAD OF PROVIDING, UM, UH, THE 50%, UH, WITHIN A COVERED PARKING, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PROVIDE 25%.
UM, AND THEN THEY BREAK THAT DOWN TO, UM, ROUGHLY 13% OF THAT WOULD CONSIST OF GARAGES.
UM, AND THEN THE REMAINDER WOULD BE CARPORTS.
SO THEY DO PROVIDE COVERED PARKING THROUGHOUT, UH, THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
THEY'RE NOT COMPLETELY REMOVING THE COLOR COVERED PARKING REQUIREMENT, UM, BUT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO, UH, REDUCE THE AMOUNT, UM, PART OF THE GARAGE REQUIREMENT, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION.
UM, IF, YOU KNOW, UM, OUR STANDARDS REQUIRE A MINIMUM, UH, TWO CAR GARAGE FOR EVERY SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UM, AND THAT PROVISION IS CARRIED OVER TO ANY KIND OF MULTI-FAMILY, UH, RESIDENTIAL AS WELL.
UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE, UH, THOSE, UH, REGULATIONS HAVE COME FROM.
UM, HOWEVER, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, UH, DIVERSIFIED HOUSING.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT NEEDS AND REQUIREMENTS OF DIFFERENT GROUPS.
UM, AND SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO APPROVE, UH, THIS DEVIATION.
UM, UM, AS PROPOSED, THE LAST DEVIATION REQUESTED IS ON THE FENCE MATERIAL.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A MIXED USE, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UH, MIXED USE PD.
UH, SO THERE'S NON-RESIDENTIAL THAT FRONTS HIGHWAY SIX.
UM, SO, UH, MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE THE RED OUTLINE, UM, AROUND THE PERIMETER.
UM, BUT BASICALLY THAT WOULD BE WHERE
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THE MULTIFAMILY ADJOINS THE, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE SAME PD ON THE EASTERN SIDE.UH, YOU ALSO SEE, UM, THE FENCE AS WELL.
THAT'S WHERE THE SITE ADJOINS, UH, THE KROGER SHOPPING CENTER, THE FIRESTONE SHOPPING CENTER, UM, OR THE FIRESTONE, UH, THAT'S OVER THERE.
UM, A LOT OF AREA ON THAT SIDE IS, IS PARKING LOT OR A DRIVEWAY.
UM, AND THERE'S NOT, UM, AN EXPECTATION THAT RESIDENTIAL, UM, OR ANY KIND OF SENSITIVE, UH, LAND USE WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED ON THAT SIDE.
THE ASK FROM THE, UH, DEVELOPER HERE IS TO, UH, REMOVE THE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR MASONRY WALL.
UM, THEIR, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLANS CONTAINED, UM, AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL ALONG THOSE SEGMENTS.
UM, THEY PROVIDED AN EXAMPLE, AND I KNOW IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE IN THIS IMAGE, BUT IT IS INCLUDED IN THE PACKETS, UM, AS WELL, UM, TO, UH, LOCATE A ROT IRON, UM, UH, FENCE WITH MASONRY COLUMNS, UM, UH, DISTRIBUTED ALONG THE LENGTH OF THAT ROT IRON FENCE.
AND SO WHERE THAT RED LINE IS ALONG THE PERIMETER, THEY'RE ASKING, UH, TO INSTALL, UH, THAT FENCE TYPE.
UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A PD BECAUSE IT IS UNIFIED, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UM, BECAUSE, UH, THIS DEVELOPER IS WORKING WITH, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE NON-RESIDENTIAL AREAS, UM, STAFF WHO'S RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, UM, OF THIS, UH, UH, DEVIATION AS WELL.
AND SO THAT'S THE SUMMARY OF THE, THE REQUEST.
UM, ON THE PD AMENDMENT SIDE, THE NOTICES, UM, NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, AND THIS IS SCHEDULED TO GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON FEBRUARY 5TH.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I I DID HAVE ONE, THE, THE SPACE HERE BETWEEN, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT AND HIGHWAY SIX MM-HMM.
SO YOUR, YOUR, UM, RECOMMENDATION HERE, AND ULTIMATELY WHETHER OR NOT THAT AMENDMENT IS MADE TO THE ORDINANCE WOULD DETERMINE, UM, WHAT FENCE MATERIAL, WHAT WALL MATERIAL IS THERE.
SO IF THIS RECOMMENDATION, UH, CARRIES FORWARD, IT WOULD BE THE ROD IRON WITH THE BRICK, UM, PILE ASTERS BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL.
NO EXPECTATION OF ANY, UH, MASONRY WALL WHEN INSIDE.
SO YEAH, MY QUESTION WAS FOR WHOEVER WAS DEVELOPING THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WHATEVER EXEMPTION WE, WE, WE PUT IN PLACE APPLIES TO THEM TOO.
THEY DON'T HAVE, OKAY, THANK YOU.
THAT, THAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD DRIVE IT.
BUT IN YOUR, IN YOUR, UH, YOUR RED, RED LINING, IT DOESN'T SHOW THAT LINE AS BEING IN THIS RED LINE.
SO THE RED LINE ON THE LEFT SIDE, UHHUH
WHAT ABOUT THE PARCEL? THAT'S JUST, I GUESS FROM THIS VIEW TO THE BOTTOM, IS THAT COMMERCIAL THERE? NO.
SO THAT'S, SO WHERE THE PICTURE, WHERE THE, UM, FENCE SAMPLE IS GRAY, THE GRAY AND BLACK AREA, THE GRAY BA BLACK AREA IS DETENTION.
SO IT, IT WOULD ONLY BE ON THAT GET MY BEARING RIGHT? EASTERN SIDE, WESTERN SIDE, EASTERN SIDE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OKAY.
UM, IS, DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO SAY ANYTHING, ADD ANYTHING? I, I WOULD HAVE THE SAME QUESTION FOR YOU THAT I ASKED THE LAST APPLICANT.
I'M WITH THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S GOING TO BE, UH, THE, THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE A MANAGEMENT FIRM.
SOME OF THESE REQUESTS WERE BROUGHT UP DURING OUR DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS.
UM, THE FENCE, I THINK THEY'RE MORE WORRIED ABOUT, UH, VISIBILITY AND CONDUCTIVITY BETWEEN THE RETAIL SPACE UP FRONT AND THE PROJECT.
THEY DIDN'T WANNA FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE GREEN SPACES WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRAVERSING THE PROJECT IS, IS CLOSED IN BY THE MASONRY WALL.
WE'VE DONE THE, THE COLUMNS AND THE ROD IRON AT A LOT OF LOCATIONS.
IT'S, UM, IT HAS A NICE AESTHETIC.
UM, KINDA GIVES YOU SOME VISIBILITY AND IT MAKES THE PROPERTY FEEL A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, LESS CLOSED OFF.
SO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN APARTMENTS CHOOSE TO OPT OUT OF THE GARAGE FOR THE ADDITIONAL COST.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S AN ADD TO THEIR RENT EVERY MONTH.
UM, MOST PEOPLE WHO DO PURCHASE THEM DON'T
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PARK IN THEM.UM, SO THAT'S, THE ORDINANCE IS CONSIDERABLY MORE APARTMENTS OR GARAGES AND CARPORTS THAN WE WOULD PUT ON A STANDARD MULTIFAMILY.
BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS WITH THE AMOUNT OF REQUIRED PARKING, WE END UP HAVING TO JUST GIVE THEM AWAY BECAUSE THE PEOPLE DON'T WANNA PAY FOR THEM.
BUT WE'RE OUT OF SPOTS FOR PEOPLE TO PARK.
UM, SO THE PERCENTAGES WE'RE REQUESTING ARE KIND OF IN LINE WITH WHAT WE TYPICALLY SEE FROM OUR LEASING DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND THE FIREWALL, THE MAIN CONCERN WAS, I THINK THE INTENT IS TO MINIMIZE THE SIZE OF YOUR BUILDING SO YOU DON'T HAVE GIANT APARTMENT COMPLEXES, YOU KNOW, HIGH RISES AND MID RISES AND WRAPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO KEEP IT IN THE GARDEN STYLE VARIETY OF MULTIFAMILY.
AND WE WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE JUST, UM, WE'RE WITHIN THE IBC REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE REQUESTING THE VARIANCE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? NO, THANK YOU.
YOU KNOW, I, I SYMPATHIZE WITH YOU ABOUT RESIDENCE NOT WANTING TO PAY FOR, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT, BUT THEN AGAIN, IT, THAT'S KIND OF YOUR PROBLEM.
SO YOU CAN MAKE 'EM AVAILABLE TO THE PEOPLE THAT WANT 'EM.
AND WE, THEY WILL STILL PROBABLY END UP CONCEDING AND GIVING AWAY A YOU BECAUSE THEY'LL BE SETTING VACANT.
UM, YEAH, IT'S STILL A LITTLE BIT, EVEN EVEN WITH THE RE REDUCTION, IT'S STILL A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WE WOULD TYPICALLY PUT ON A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.
UH, AS THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, DID WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THIS SIDE? NO.
JENNIFER, CAN I ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION? THE, UM, THE DESING DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ADJACENT THERE GOING WEST, IS THE MASONRY WALL GOING TO BE THERE? NO, THEY'LL HAVE, UH, THE TYPICAL, UM, KIND OF PRIVACY FENCES.
THEY'LL HAVE, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S A MASONRY WALL WHERE THEY'RE ADJACENT TO OAKWOOD FOREST.
UM, BUT THAT WAS PART OF THEIR PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND KIND OF, UM, WORKING OUT, YOU KNOW, SOME POTENTIAL CONFLICTS, UM, ON THAT SIDE.
BUT ON THIS SIDE IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, STANDARD AND MOST OF THEIR, THEIR HOMES.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT LAYOUT THAT THEY PRIMARILY WILL BACK UP TO THIS SITE.
UM, AND OPEN SPACE, UM, WHERE THEY ADJOIN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND, UH, HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PLEASE.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
GO AHEAD AND CAST YOUR VOTE PLEASE.
ITEM TWO, CONSIDER CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS AND FORWARD IT TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? EVERYBODY GOOD? THEN GO AHEAD AND CAST YOUR VOTE WHENEVER WE'RE READY.
[9. ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS]
ZONING, TEXT AMENDMENTS, TEMPORARY DISPLAY ZONES, SIGNS, SIGNS.WHAT ARE OUR FAVORITE SUBJECTS? FOR 25 PLUS YEARS THAT I REMEMBER, WE, WE HAD A HIGH, NOW WE'RE BACK.
UH, SO TEMPORARY DISPLAY SCIENCE.
UM, SO JUST TO PUT THIS IN CONTEXT, WE WERE, UM, UH, REQUESTED BY, UM, A COUNCIL MEMBER AND BY, UH, BUSINESSES, UM, ON LOOKING FOR OPTIONS, UH, FOR GREATER VISIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO PROMOTE, UM, THEIR BUSINESSES.
SOME OF THIS IS COMING OUT OF THE PANDEMIC, UM, WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF RELAX SOME OF THE SIGN SPEAKERS, UH, TO ALLOW SOME OF OUR BUSINESSES PRIMARILY, YOU KNOW, AS THEY TRANSITION TO LIKE ONE LINE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, DELIVERIES, THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO PUT CERTAIN TYPES OF TEMPORARY SIGNS, UM, FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, SO SOME OF IT, UM, IS JUST KIND OF, UH, COMING OUT OF THAT AS WELL.
UM, BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS RIGHT NOW, UM, THE SIGN ORDINANCE PROVIDES FOR CONDITIONALLY EXEMPT SIGNS.
UH, THOSE ARE SIGNS THAT, UM, UH, PEOPLE OR BUSINESS RESIDENTS THE PUBLIC DON'T HAVE TO PERMIT FOR.
BUT WE DO HAVE STANDARDS THAT GOVERN THE SIZE, LOCATION, DURATION OF THE SIGNS.
THEN WE HAVE, UM, SIGNS THAT REQUIRE PERMITS, BOTH PERMANENTLY PLACED SIGNS AS WELL AS CERTAIN TEMPORARY SIGNS.
UM, THE TYPE OF SIGNS THAT WE NORMALLY SEE NEW BUSINESSES, UM, FOR, UM, BUSINESSES THAT ARE SEEKING TO DO KIND OF LIKE, UM, QUICK TYPE OF
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ADVERTISING AND QUICK KIND OF MESSAGES, UM, FALL UNDER WHAT WE CALL TEMPORARY DISPLAY.UM, AND THAT WAS A, A TERM WE CONCOCTED WITH LEGAL.
UM, BUT REALLY WHAT THAT IS, IS OUR BANNERS.
SO BANNER TIME, UM, IS WHAT THAT KIND OF BOILS DOWN TO.
UM, SO TEMPORARY DISPLAY CAN CONSIST OF AIR BALLOONS, UM, UH, SOME LEVEL OF STREAMERS, UM, PERMITS ARE REQUIRED, UM, FOR, UH, TEMPORARY DISPLAYS TO BE, UH, LOCATED.
UM, AND RIGHT NOW OUR ORDINANCE, UM, LIMITS THE LOCATION OF TEMPORARY DISPLAYS TO NOT, TO EXCEED 15 CONSECUTIVE DAYS AND NOT TO EXCEED MORE THAN 60 CALENDAR THAT DAYS PER YEAR.
AND SO I'M SURE THE COMMISSION KNOWS, UM, FROM DRIVING AROUND FROM SEEING BUSINESSES, UM, WE PROBABLY HAVE A FEW OFFENDERS OF THAT, UH, THAT, THAT TRY TO PUSH IT A LITTLE FARTHER.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IN SOME CASES IT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE ATTEMPTS TO GET MESSAGES OUT, UM, AND, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO, UM, PROMOTE, UH, THE BUSINESS AT HAND WHERE CONDIT CONTEMPORARY DISPLAY SCIENCE, UH, BE LOCATED.
UM, BANNERS ARE LIMITED TO OR RESTRICTED TO BEING LOCATED AFFIXED ON A BUILDING.
UH, SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, DRIVING AROUND, YOU SEE BANNERS THAT ARE HANGING KIND OF DOWN FROM, UH, CANOPIES OR FROM AWNINGS, UM, HANGING WHEREVER THEY CAN GET IT PUMPED.
THEY'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, PUT IT ON POSTS OR STEAKS AND PUSH IT OUT, FENCE POSTS IN THE YARD,
SO TECHNICALLY RIGHT NOW THAT IS NOT PERMITTED.
UM, SO, UH, BY ORDINANCE FOR WHAT THEY CAN GET PERMITTED IS, UH, THEY HAVE TO AFFIX IT TO, UM, A BUILDING WALL.
UM, THEY'RE ONLY PERMITTED ONE, UM, TEMPORARY DISPLAY.
AND THEN THERE'S A SIZE OF PERMITS, UM, THAT BASICALLY MIMIC THEIR PERMANENT SIGNAGE.
SO THE LENGTH OF THEIR STOREFRONT, THEY GET A PERCENTAGE OF THAT THAT THEY CAN PUT INTO SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR, UM, A TEMPORARY DISPLAY.
SO WHAT'S PROHIBITED? SO WE HAVE ALL SEEN HOW THE INFLATABLE TUBES, UM, THEY CALL THEY SOME SMILE, SOME LIKE THEM, SOME ABSOLUTELY AFFORD THEM, AND SOME ARE ANNOYED BY 'EM.
UM, BUT WE HAVE MANY, MANY, MANY BUSINESSES OUT THERE THAT, UM, HAVE, UH, TRIED TO USE IT.
UM, BUT THEY ARE PROHIBITED SIGNS.
FEATHER FLAGS ARE ANOTHER POPULAR SIGN TYPE, UM, THAT WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE BUSINESSES, UH, SEEK TO INCORPORATE.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE CURRENTLY, UM, PROHIBITED SIGN CREDIT AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN LIKE I MENTIONED ON THE BANNER, BANNERS HANGING FROM FENCES, BANNERS, HANGING FROM ALL THESES, ALL OF THAT, UM, IS CURRENTLY NOT PERMITTED, UM, BY OUR SIGN.
SO THIS IS A DISCUSSION EITHER.
SO ARE THEY, THEY'RE PROHIBITED SPECIFICALLY OR BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT SPECIFICALLY.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LAST TIME WE, WE THOROUGHLY LOOKED AT OUR ORDINANCE WAS PROBABLY GOING ON 10 YEARS AGO.
UM, IF YOU CAN BELIEVE IT WAS THAT LONG BECAUSE IT WAS A PLANNED PROCESS,
UM, SO IT, IT HAS BEEN A LITTLE WHILE, BUT THEY WERE, IT WAS INTENTIONAL, UM, AT THAT TIME.
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME TO KIND OF REEVALUATE, SEE WHERE IT WAS SEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, SEE, UH, WHAT REVISIONS, YOU KNOW, NEED TO BE UPDATED, UM, IF AT ALL.
SO THIS IS THIS, UH, DISCUSSION ITEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE WERE, UH, PRESENTED WITH THIS.
WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS, UH, TO THE TEMPORARY DISPLAY, UM, ORDINANCE.
BUT FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS DISCUSSION, UH, WANT, UH, TO, UH, JUST HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE MISSION, YOUR, YOU KNOW, THOUGHTS, WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE, WHAT YOU ABSOLUTELY DON'T WANT, SEE WHAT YOU KNOW CONCERNS YOU, WHAT YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD, UH, FOCUS ON IN BRINGING THOSE AMENDMENTS BACK AND FORTH, THE COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION.
UM, AND SOME OF THOSE ARE SHOULD WE EVEN AMEND THE REGULATIONS OF TEMPORARY DISPLAY, UM, REGULATIONS OR SHOULD WE SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT THE RACE PERIOD OR SOME KIND OF STANDARD TARGETED AT SPECIFIC TYPES OF BUSINESSES, LIKE NEW BUSINESSES, UM, HAVING A BREAKS PERIOD FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AFTER THEY OPENED, UM, TO, UH, BE ABLE TO RELAX CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THE SIGN MOVEMENT, UM, THAT'S DIRECTED, UM, AT THEM.
UM, YOUR THOUGHTS ON, UH, THE TYPES OF SIGNS PERMITTED TEMPORARY DISPLAYS, THE INFLATABLES, THE, THE FEATHER FLAGS.
I SEE SHAKING HANDS,
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, TYPES OUT THERE, UM, THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER OR SHOULD WE CONSIDER BRACE PERIOD AGAIN? UM, THE LOCATION, UM, YOU KNOW,
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OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE OPENING, YOU KNOW, THOSE TEMPORARY, UH, SIGNS UP FOR, UM, THE NUMBER OF SIGNS.THERE'S AN IMAGE IN THE PACKAGE OF FEATHER FLAGS MM-HMM.
WHERE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE THAT ARE ALIGNED.
THINKING ABOUT IF ONE NEW BUSINESS GOES INTO A SHOPPING CENTER AND ANOTHER NEW BUSINESS GOES INTO A SHOPPING CENTER AND AN EXISTING BUSINESS HAS A A SALE AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO PUT TEMPORARY TIME, UM, UH, AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO'S ABLE TO DO WHAT, WHEN, WHERE? UM, SO LET ME AT THE NUMBER, UM, OF SIGNS OR LOOKING AT A GRACE PERIOD.
AND THEN FINALLY, AGAIN, LOOKING AT LENGTH OF TIME, UH, THAT THESE SIGNS, UH, SHOULD BE UP.
IS TWO WEEKS TOO LITTLE? IS TWO WEEKS TOO MUCH, 60 DAYS TOO LITTLE? YOU KNOW, WHAT, UM, WHAT PROVISIONS SHOULD WE LOOK AT, UM, FOR THE TIMELINE? SO THOSE ARE JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE ON YOUR MIND, LET US KNOW.
UM, BUT THE INTENT IS, IS TO HAVE AN INITIAL SESSION HERE TONIGHT.
UM, WE'LL GO BACK, WE'LL TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND THEN NEXT MONTH WE'LL BRING FORWARD, UH, SOME PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, UH, FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.
AND THEN WE'LL GO, WELL THE, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT THE REPEAT OFFENDERS OR PEOPLE THAT PUT, UH, I LOOK AT IT AS POLITICAL ADVERTISING AND THEN WE END UP HAVING TO GO PICK THEM UP AND DISPOSE OF THEM.
I THINK JUST AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER, THE REPEAT OFFENDERS NEED TO HAVE A DEPOSIT.
AND IF WE HAVE TO CLEAN UP YOUR SIGNS TO LOSE IT, NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU ASKED FOR A PERMIT TO PUT UP YOUR SWING TEAM SIGN, BUT IF YOU CONTINUE TO RUN FOR OFFICE OR WHATEVER AND YOU LEAVE YOUR SIGNS, WE'RE NOT GONNA CLEAN UP AFTER.
'CAUSE I MEAN, I SEE SIGNS FROM TWO ELECTIONS AGO THAT ARE STILL UP, NOT IN MISSOURI CITY, BUT WHEN YOU DRIVE AROUND STAFFORD AND THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS WHERE THERE'S NOBODY LOOKING AT IT IN HARRIS COUNTY AND IT JUST AGES THE PROPERTY.
I MEAN, IT JUST MAKES US LOOK UNEP, BUT THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW IT'S NOT MISSOURI CITY.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT
SO THE FINE PART ON THE CITY SIDE, UM, IS JUST THE STANDARD FOR ANY SIGN VIOLATION.
SO IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO JUST, YOU KNOW, POLITICAL SIGNS.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S, UM, A GOOD KIND OF TRAIN OF THOUGHT BECAUSE ANY TEMPORARY SIGN, UM, POLITICAL SIGNS ARE A WHOLE DIFFERENT YEAH.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY TYPE OF SIGN OF LOOKING AT WHAT THE RECOURSE IS, UM, BECAUSE WHETHER IT'S A BANNER THAT'S UP FOR TOO LONG, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, GOING THE ROUTE FEATHER FLAGS AND THEY START TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE, THEY START TO SHRED AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND THEY'RE UP THERE TOO LONG, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE RECOURSE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE IN A TIMELY WAY TO BE ABLE TO, SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S A GOOD TURN THOUGHT THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AND SEE KIND OF WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T DISTINGUISH, UH, ONE FROM THE OTHER.
I THOUGHT FOR SURE THAT'S WHERE MR. O'MALLEY WAS GOING WAS YEAH.
CAN WE ENFORCE IT AND CAN WE AFFORD TO BE THE SIGN POLICE AND GO, YOU KNOW, GET RID OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ONES THAT ARE IN VIOLATION, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
'CAUSE WE HAD TO GO MOVE YOUR SIGN.
WELL, OBVIOUSLY CRITICAL SIGNS YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT 'CAUSE THOSE ARE DISPOSABLE ALMOST.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE FEATHER THINGS AND OR YEAH.
OR 20 OF THEM, YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY HAVE AN INVESTMENT THERE AND, AND IF, IF WE CONFISCATE 'EM ALL AND WE CAN SELL 'EM BACK TO 'EM RIGHT.
AND COVER THE COST OF CONFISCATING 'EM.
AND, AND ONE DISTINC TOO, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF OUR SIDE WORK STILL PRIVATE PROPERTY, PRIVATE PROPERTY, TREATED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY WHERE WE CAN'T JUST GO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, AND PULL SOMETHING UP.
SO THERE IS A NEW PROCESS, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS TO OCCUR.
YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF SITUATIONS.
DO, DOES YOUR, UH, CONSIDERATION IS FOR ON-PREMISE SIGNS ONLY THOUGH, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING OFF-PREMISE.
SO THESE WOULD BE FOR SIGNS, TEMPORARY SIGNS THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE ACTUAL BUSINESS, ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO THE, SO THE POLITICAL SIGNS THAT WE SEE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE SCENE DURING THE SCENE, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT CONSIDERATION OF FACILITY.
IF, IF THEY'RE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, IF THOSE POLITICAL
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YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF A BUSINESS PUTTING THEIR SIGN.I MEAN, JUST LIKE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE YOU SEE THE ROOFING COMPANY GOT SIGNS ALL OVER THE ROADS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S A BUSINESS ADVERTISING WITH TEMPORARY SIGNS THAT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
RIGHT? I MEAN, SO RIGHT NOW, 'CAUSE OUR ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR WHAT CALL CONTRACTORS TIME AND, AND HAS TO SAY IT WITH A GRAIN OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THIS TECHNICALLY SIGNS OF SPEECH, THE LANGUAGE OF THE SIGNS ARE PROTECTED SPEECH.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GOVERNING OR REGULATING THE MESSAGE FROM THE SIGN, UM, YOU KNOW, UNLESS IT'S OUT BALANCE.
UM, SO, BUT THOSE TYPES OF SIGNS THAT WE USUALLY SEE CONTRACTORS, UH, UM, THEY'RE PERMITTED WITHOUT PERMITS DOWN.
UM, BUT THE CAVEAT IS, IS THEY'RE PERMITTED ON THE PROPERTY THAT THE WORK IS BEING, IS BEING DONE DURING THE DURATION THAT THE WORK IS BEING.
SO FROM A ROOF ROOFER, THEN I CAN SET A SIGN OUT SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, USE MY ROOFING COMPANY.
YOU KNOW, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I'M DOING RIGHT NOW.
BUT IF I'M DRIVING DOWN REC, IF I'M DRIVING DOWN LEXINGTON AND EVERY INTERSECTION I SEE, YEAH.
HE'S GOT ONE SIGN IN ALL FOUR CORNERS.
SO THAT'S NOT AN ON-PREMISE THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT'S JUST COMPLETELY PROHIBITED.
SO IT WOULDN'T EVEN BE COVERED BY THIS BECAUSE, WELL, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED.
WELL, ANY SUCH SIGNS ON, ON THE RIGHT OF PROHIBITED AND CODE ENFORCEMENT PICKS THOSE UP.
AND, AND THEN I THINK THAT GOES BACK TO THE AL'S POINT ON, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE RECOURSE, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT.
BECAUSE IF THEY'RE CONSTANTLY PICKING UP THE SAME, YOU KNOW, SET ASIDE, WE HAVE THAT CONTINUOUS OFFENDER, WHAT'S THE RECOURSE? MM-HMM.
WELL, AS, AS WE NORMALLY DO, I'M ASSUMING THAT WE LOOK AT WHAT THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE OR ARE DOING AND HOW SUCCESSFUL THEY ARE OR AREN'T.
AND, AND WE KIND OF, KIND OF TAKE SOME GUIDANCE FROM THAT.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO BALANCE THE, THE PRO BUSINESS TOWARD VERSUS THE, YOU KNOW, IT JUST LOOKS HORRIBLE AND WE'VE GOTTA DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT KIND OF SITUATION.
JENNIFER, I DO HAVE ONE THING.
UH, YOU SAID THAT IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS SINCE THIS HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.
HAVE YOU GUYS LOOKED AT WHAT PRODUCTS FROM AN ADVERTISING STANDPOINT OF VIEW HAS BECOME AVAILABLE SINCE 10 YEARS AGO? I MEAN, THAT, THAT WOULD BE A PART THAT WE'D NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT TO SEE BEFORE WE CAN SAY ONLY THESE, WE NEED TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT NEW PRODUCTS THAT ARE OUT THERE FROM AN ADVERTISING STANDPOINT OF VIEW.
WE, WE CAN DEFINITELY BRING THAT BACK AS WELL.
WELL OBVIOUSLY WE, WE PROHIBIT MOVING SIZE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT, BUT NOW ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE SCHOOLS AND YEAH.
EVERYBODY HAD THOSE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NEW THAT PROBABLY WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH 10 YEARS AGO.
I KIND OF WONDERED WE HAD THAT RIGHT 10 YEARS AGO THAT MM-HMM.
AND THOSE, THOSE ARE KIND OF CONSIDERATIONS, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE DRIVING, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE IS TO PROTECT, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.
IT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY OUT ABOUT TRYING TO DO.
IT TAKES AWAY FROM THAT ENVIRONMENT.
AND THE OTHER THING IS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT OF VIEW.
WHEN THEY ARE COMING TO MISSOURI CITY TO SET UP SHOP, THEY GOTTA LOOK AT COST AND THEY'RE TYPICALLY PUTTING ALL THEIR MONEY INTO THE FACILITY.
SO WE WANNA MAINTAIN THE FACT THAT WE ARE BUSINESS FRIENDLY.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE SO RIGID THAT WE DISCOURAGE THEM BECAUSE OF WHETHER IT'S SIGNS OR WHATEVER.
SO WE NEED TO KEEP THAT, YOU KNOW, IN PERSPECTIVE ALSO.
WELL THAT'S WHAT I WAS, NEW BUSINESSES ACTUALLY INVESTED SO MUCH MONEY.
YOU SAY YOU CAN'T WORK, SIGN THE NEW BUSINESSES STAFF FOR EXAMPLE, BUILD NEW AREA RIGHT UP WHERE EXIT MM-HMM.
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THIS.SOME KIND OF CHANGE TO WHAT NEW BUSINESSES ARE ALLOWED TO DO WOULD MAKE SENSE.
BUT I ALSO WOULD SAY I DON'T WANT MISSOURI CITY TO LOOK LIKE DRIVING UP 10 92 TOWARDS STAFFORD AND ALL THE FLAGS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT I, I THINK I LIKE THE WAY WE RESTRICT A LOT OF THAT.
IT DOES KEEP THE PLACE IT, IT LOOKS NICER AND NEATER.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY ACTION HERE? NO, THIS IS JUST INITIAL FEEDBACK.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL BRING BACK PROPOSED AMENDMENTS FOR YOU.
CONSIDER, UM, AND THEN THERE'LL BE AN ACTION FOR THAT.
GIVE US A TASTE OF WHAT'S TO COME,
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WILL SAY ONE OTHER THING WE HAD AT OUR CHRISTMAS EVENT, WE BROUGHT OUT ONE OF THESE MOBILE BILLBOARDS.
IT'S ON A TRAILER AND WHAT THAT THING COULD DO WAS AMAZING.
AND I'VE SEEN PEOPLE TURN THOSE INTO BILLBOARDS AND STUFF.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY SHOULD LOOK AT.
'CAUSE I THINK THOSE COULD BE HUGELY DETRIMENTAL ON A RIGHT OF WAY.
YEAH, IT WAS MOBILE 'CAUSE THEY DRUG IT OUT.
BUT I COULD SEE SOMEBODY PUTTING ONE OF THOSE UP AND IT WOULD, IF I WAS DRIVING BY IT, IT WOULD, IT COULD EASILY, IT LOOKS LIKE A TV SCREEN.
AND I BELIEVE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA, SO WE'RE UP TO ITEM 13.
THAT WOULD BE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND IT WENT AWAY AND IT CAME BACK.