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TRY TO TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE.[1. CALL TO ORDER]
WEDNESDAY, APRIL 10TH, 2024.MISSOURI CITY PLANNING COM AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER.
[3. READING OF MINUTES]
ON, UH, READING OF THE MINUTES.ENTERTAIN A MOTION OF A MOTION.
YOU CAN STILL SECOND THE MOTION.
AND WE HAVE MOTION AND A SECOND.
GO AHEAD AND CAST YOUR VOTES PLEASE.
ITEM FOUR, COMMISSION REPORTS, CHAIR OF THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION.
ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD? SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON.
[a. Development Services]
STAFF REPORTS, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.I JUST WANNA INFORM THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMISSION, UH, THAT APRIL IS CONSIDERED FAIR HOUSING MONTH.
AND THE CITY AS A RECIPIENT OF FEDERAL GRANTS, UM, USES THIS MONTH TO FURTHER FAIR HOUSING EFFORTS.
AND SO THE COMMISSION IS PART OF THAT BECAUSE AS WE DO ANY KIND OF ZONING CHANGES, AS WE DO ZONING AMENDMENTS, UH, TO OUR REGULATIONS, WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT, UM, WE'RE, UH, NOT CREATING DISCRIMINATORY REGULATIONS OR PRACTICES.
UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE AWARE OF, UM, AND THAT WE TRY TO PROMOTE, BUT PARTICULARLY, UH, THROUGH THIS MONTH.
UM, SO WE DO HAVE A DIFFERENT INFORMATION.
IF THE PUBLIC OR IF THE COMMISSIONERS WANT MORE INFORMATION, UM, ABOUT FAIR HOUSING MONTH, PLEASE REACH OUT TO US.
[b. Engineering]
I, UM, I GUESS A COUPLE ANNOUNCEMENTS.UM, WE'VE JUST ABOUT FULLY STAFFED IN OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
WE'VE HAD A COUPLE NEW HIRES, UM, A COUPLE CONSTRUCTION INSPECTORS AND A PROMOTION.
UM, IF YOU NOT ALREADY AWARE, MARCUS SNELL HAS BEEN PROMOTED TO CITY ENGINEER NOW, UM, AND HE'S NOT HERE.
UM, AND, UH, WE'RE ABOUT 85% COMPLETE ON OUR, UM, UPDATES TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE DESIGN MANUAL FOR THE CITY AS WELL.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR ENGINEERING.
AND I'M SORRY, UH, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? MY NAME IS BRIAN JACKSON.
I'M A STAFF ENGINEER HERE AT THE CI KNOW HE SAID THAT, THAT YOU WOULD BE FILLING IN, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER MET BEFORE.
SO HOW YOU DOING? GOOD TO MEET YOU.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE HAD ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK, HAVE WE? WE DID NOT.
[a. Consent Agenda]
THE PLATS, THE CONSENT AGENDA.THESE ITEM ONE, CONSIDER AN APPLICATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR CNA 72.
CONSIDER AN APPLICATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR C NNA AMENITY CENTER.
CONSIDER AN APPLICATION OF A FINAL PLAT OF MD ANDERSON, MISSOURI CITY.
CONSIDER AN APPLICATION OF A FINAL PLAT OF MINT FOUR.
CONSIDER AN APPLICATION OF A FINAL PLAT FOR OLYMPIA RETAIL CENTER.
CONSIDER AN APPLICATION OF A FINAL PLAT FOR SIENNA PARK OFFICE CENTER.
CONSIDER AN APPLICATION OF A FINAL PLAT FOR TIMBER FALLS.
CONSIDER AN APPLICATION OF A FINAL PLAT OF INDEPENDENCE, BOULEVARD BUSINESS PARK.
AND NINE, CONSIDER AN APPLICATION OF TERRITORY AT MISSOURI CITY RESERVE A RE PLAT NUMBER ONE IN THE DISCUSSION.
ANYBODY WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY OTHER DIS ANY DISCUSSION AND PLACE YOUR VOTES PLEASE? ALL MOTION CARRIES.
AND WE DO RECORD THAT ANOTHER COMMISSIONER'S ARRIVED.
[b. Meadowview Estates]
MEADOWVIEW ESTATES CONSIDER AN APPLICATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT OF ME VIEW ESTATES.[00:05:02]
AND WE PULLED THIS OFF BECAUSE IT WAS THE SECOND ONE, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY CONSIDER IT PART OF THE FIRST ONE, RIGHT? CORRECT.SO FOR, FOR THOSE WHO, WHO, UH, THE REASON THIS WAS SEPARATED OUT WAS BECAUSE THE SECOND PLAT WAS, WAS BEING DISAPPROVED, BUT SINCE WE'RE NOT COVERING THE SECOND ONE NOW, EFFECTIVELY WE COULD HAVE HAD THIS IN THE FIRST SECTION.
SO IF, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM? OKAY.
MOVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AHEAD AND CAST YOUR VOTE, PLEASE.
UM, ITEM C ONE WAS, UH, WITHDRAWN.
[d. Parkland Dedication]
D PARKLAND DEDICATION.CONSIDER IT A PARKLAND DEDICATION OF LOFTS AT KNIGHTS ESTATES SUB SUB SUB DEVELOPMENT 2211 LP.
UM, THE LOFTS UNITED STATES IS A PROPOSED 346 UNIT.
CAN I CONTROL FROM HERE? OKAY, IT'S PROPOSED 346 UNIT FOUR STORY, MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF WATTS PLANTATION ROAD AND KNIGHTS ROAD SOUTH OF HIGHWAY SIX.
UM, THE CITY ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT 0.01 ACRES OF PARKLAND DEDICATION, UH, PER UNIT, BE DEDICATED FOR ANY, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, FOR, FOR A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SIZE THAT WOULD BE 0.346 ACRES.
UM, OTHER OPTIONS THAT THE DEVELOPERS HAVE ARE TO PROVIDE CASH IN LIEU OF, OF THE AMOUNT OF 1400, $1,400 PER DWELLING UNIT.
UM, 50% OF WHICH CAN BE SUPPLEMENTED BY, UH, PROVIDING PRIVATE PARK SPACE.
UM, SO THESE DEVELOPERS WORKED WITH CITY STAFF TO COME UP WITH, UM, A PLAN TO DEDICATE 0.173 ACRES OF PUBLIC PARK SPACE THAT WOULD, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE USED FOR, UH, PLAYGROUNDS, UH, A DOG PARK, UM, A COMMUNITY, UM, COMMUNITY, GREEN SPACE WITH A, WITH A POOL AND COURTYARD, UM, AND OTHER THINGS TO SUPPLEMENT RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS.
UM, SO IN THIS AREA, IN PARK ZONE 12, THERE REALLY AREN'T ANY PARKS WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OR WITHIN HALF A MILE.
THE CLOSEST PARK IS KITTY HOLLOW PARK, WHICH IS 1.2 MILES AWAY, AND THAT'S A COUNTY PARK THAT'S NOT EVEN A CITY PARK.
UM, SO AS FAR AS, UM, THINKING THROUGH HOW CAN WE ENSURE THAT RESIDENTS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT HAVE ACCESS TO GREEN SPACE, HAVE ACCESS TO RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, UM, UH, WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE PARKS BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, UM, FOR, UH, $242,000 OF, UH, SORRY, TWO, UH, FOR, UH, CASH IN LIEU OF, IN COMBINATION WITH THE 0.173, UM, ACRES OF PRIVATE PARKLAND.
IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR FOR THEM.
DID EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE 50 50 PRIVATE PARKLAND AND, AND MONEY IN LIEU? YES.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
SO ALL THIS PARKLAND IS INSIDE THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
SO HOW DOES THE CITY VIEW THAT IF, IF, UH, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO BRING A GATED COMMUNITY TO US AND THE PARKLAND WAS INSIDE THE GATED COMMUNITY, WOULD THAT BE VIEWED DIFFERENTLY THAN A PUBLIC PARKLAND WITH ACCESS TO EVERYBODY? SO IT'S A, IT'S, IT IS A TOUGH QUESTION THAT I THINK DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND WHAT IS AVAILABLE TO THOSE RESIDENTS.
SO LOOKING AT THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN PARK ZONE 12 FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE ONLY HAVE I THINK A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN, UH, FUNDS.
SO IF WE REQUIRED THEM TO PROVIDE A HUNDRED PERCENT CASH IN LIEU OF, UM, WHICH WOULD BE I THINK 400 AND I
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HALF A MILLION, YEAH, ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, UM, IT STILL WOULD NOT BE ANYWHERE NEAR ENOUGH TO DEVELOP A NEW PARK IN THE AREA.SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, THE DEPARTMENT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION IS, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY A, A GOAL OF ENSURING THAT RESIDENTS HAVE ACCESS TO GREEN SPACE AND WHAT IS A WORKABLE SOLUTION.
UM, I THINK THIS BRINGS TO LIGHT THAT I THINK, UM, FUTURE FOR FUTURE PARK DEVELOPMENTS, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH LOOKING IN INTO THIS AREA FOR DEVELOPING PARKS, FOR DEVELOPING NEW PARKS SO THAT FUTURE RESIDENTS, IF THIS IS AN AREA OF THE, OF THE COMMUNITY THAT'S GROWING, THE FUTURE RESIDENTS WOULD'VE ACCESS TO PARK SPACE.
BUT AS THINGS CURRENTLY STAND, UM, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD COMPROMISE AND THAT OUR STAFF FEELS IT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT LINE OF REASONING IS WHY THEY CAN'T GET A HUNDRED PERCENT.
I MEAN, THEY STILL DO HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE PAR TO THE, UH, TO PARK ZONE FUNDS BECAUSE THIS PRIVATE PARK SPACE IS NOT PROVIDING REALLY MUCH OF A BENEFIT TO RESIDENTS WHO DON'T LIVE THERE.
SO THEY'RE KIND OF CONTRIBUTING ON BOTH ENDS.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? KIND OF UNTIL THE BITTER END, BUT YEAH.
SO THE, THE, THE AGREEMENT IS THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE UP TO 50% OF THE ACRES REQUIRED AND IT'S PRIVATE PARK SPACE, SO IT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO THE CITY, RIGHT? AND SO THEN THEY PAY FOR THE OTHER HALF.
SO I, I GUESS THE, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THEY'RE SAYING THAT THAT REALLY IS A VIABLE OPTION, WHEREAS MAYBE THE, IN OTHER CASES, IF THERE WAS A PARK CLOSE BY, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE OPTED TO DO THAT.
SO WHEN ONE DISTINCTION I WANTED TO MAKE, UM, FOR PARKLAND, UH, DEDICATIONS, UM, STAFF DOESN'T PROVIDE A, UH, RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OR DENIAL TO PARKS BOARD.
UH, WE PRESENT THE APPLICATION AND THEN PARKS BOARD MAKES THAT RECOMMENDATION.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO, UM, TWEAK IN THE FUTURE.
BUT, UM, IT'S WOULDN'T BE A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE TO SAY THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
BUT, UM, WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL.
WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.
UH, BUT PARKS BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ON THIS PROJECT, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE SAME FOR ANY PROJECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE READY FOR A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
[a. Planned Development District - Summerwind]
UM, SECTION EIGHT ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS EIGHT A UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT SUMMER WOOD PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE COMMENT FOR AGAINST A REQUEST BY CHRIS SIMS, MONAGE PARTNERS INC.TO ZONE APPROXIMATELY 15.81 ACRE TRACK FROM SD SUBURBAN DISTRICT TO PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
HELLO, UH, THIS APPLICATION IS FOR A PLANT DEVELOPMENT, UH, OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ALONG SHIPMAN'S COVE.
THE SITE IS LOCATED NORTH OF WATTS PLANTATION AND THE SUBDIVISIONS OF CREEK MOUNT AND SHIPMAN'S COVE AND SOUTH OF HIGHWAY SIX.
THE APPLICANT HAS APPLIED FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO BRING 98 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS TO THAT AREA.
AND, UH, HIS PLAN IS TO MAXIMIZE A SMALLER LOT CONFIGURATION.
UH, THIS IS TO PROVIDE A VARIED HOUSING TYPE TO THAT AREA, BUT IT DOES NOT FALL IN LINE WITH OUR ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND BECAUSE OF THIS, THE APPLICANT IS APPLYING FOR THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
THE TRACT OF LAND IS CURRENTLY CLASSIFIED AS SD SUBURBAN DISTRICT.
IT HAS NOT BEEN FORMALLY ZONED WHEN IT WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY LIMITS, IT WAS GIVEN THIS CLASSIFICATION.
UH, THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF THIS AREA ALONG HIGHWAY SIX AND FORT BEND ROAD.
UH, IT IS RAPIDLY CHANGING AND SO WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IMAGE OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.
WE HAVE QUITE A FEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING TO THIS AREA NORTH OF THE TOLL ROAD.
UH, WE HAVE THE TERRITORY AT MISSOURI CITY AND STEIN.
THEY'RE OFFERING MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING AND, UM, SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL UNITS WEST OF THE PROPOSED SITE.
UH, THE FORT BEND TOWN CENTER PROJECT HAS AN ELEMENT FOR AROUND 750 UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
AND THEN, THEN RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE SITE, THERE IS ANOTHER PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH APPROXIMATELY 14 ACRES OF TOWN HOMES.
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WHERE WE CAN HAVE UP TO SIX HUN 600 UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.SO OVERALL, WE HAVE A LOT OF HOUSING THAT'S COMING INTO THIS AREA.
THE APPLICANT FOR THIS PROPOSAL IS REQUESTING THE SETBACKS THAT ARE SPELLED OUT ON THIS SLIDE AND ALSO IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
AND THE PRODUCT THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING DOESN'T FALL IN LINE WITH ANY OF OUR ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL ZONES, BUT IT DOES MOST CLOSELY ALIGN WITH R FIVE FOR TOWN HOMES.
STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND WE HAVE FOUND IT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH TWO OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOALS, GOALS 2.3 AND 2.3 A, UH, WHICH ENCOURAGE MULTIPLE HOUSING TYPES AND OPTIONS FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
OUR PROPOSAL WAS ALSO EVALUATED AGAINST OUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, WHICH SHOWS THIS AREA AS ESTATE CHARACTER.
WE SPOKE ON MONDAY ABOUT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, AND IT IS FROM 2017.
SO IT DOES NOT CURRENTLY REFLECT WHAT'S HAPPENING OVER IN THAT AREA, WHICH IS WHY WE PROVIDED YOU WITH THE SNAPSHOT OF WHAT IS HAPPENING.
UH, AFTER A THOROUGH REVIEW, OH, SORRY, OUR PUBLIC NOTICE TIMELINE, WE SENT OUT NOTICES TO THE PROPERTY OR OWNERS WITHIN 250 FEET OF THIS SITE.
AND WE ALSO POSTED A SIGN ON SITE AND UPDATED OUR WEBSITE ON MARCH 28TH.
UH, AND THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS TO GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL IS SCHEDULED FOR MAY 20TH AFTER A REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION, I THINK IT DIED.
UH, FURTHERMORE, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SNAPSHOT WE PROVIDED, THERE ARE SEVERAL AREAS IN THIS GENERAL AREA AND OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY WHERE WE HAVE CARVED OUT SPACE FOR ALTERNATIVE AND HIGH DENSITY HOUSING.
SO AS THE CITY MOVES TOWARDS BUILD OUT, OUR UNDEVELOPED LAND IS OF GREAT VALUE AND IMPORTANCE, AND STAFF WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON PROMOTING DEVELOPMENT FOR THESE UNDEVELOPED TRACKS, UH, THAT ARE GOING TO DIVERSIFY OUR TAX BASE.
SO OUR CONCLUSION IS, UH, WE RECOMMEND THAT PLANNING AND ZONING FORWARD A NE NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND OUR SLIDES ARE NOT WORKING RIGHT NOW.
UM, IN THE PACKAGE, UH, SUP TWO 14 IS JUST NORTH OF THIS, WHAT IS THAT FUNERAL? THAT'S THE, IS THAT THE LEVIT COMMERCIAL OR THE OTHER ONE? THE FUNERAL HOME, YES.
WELL, IT WAS IN THE, IN THE PUBLIC HEARING PACKET, BUT IT WASN'T ON YOUR, YOUR SLIDE, SO, OKAY.
I DIDN'T, BUT IT WAS HELPFUL TO HEAR ABOUT ALL THE OTHER STUFF AROUND IT.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY OTHER QUESTION, BUT YOU ANSWERED THAT BEFORE I EVEN ASKED IT.
LET ME GET US CAUGHT UP TO WHERE WE ARE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, I'VE GOT A FEW.
WHAT IS LIFECYCLE HOUSING? UM, THAT IS ANOTHER TERM FOR WHAT WE'VE CALLED DIVERSIFIED HOUSING.
IT'S HOUSING FOR PEOPLE IN ALL AGES AND STAGES OF THEIR LIFE.
THE, THE PROPOSAL HERE SAYS PRIVATE STREETS.
UM, WHAT'S THE CITY'S VIEW ON PRIVATE STREETS OF A SMALL DEVELOPMENT OF LESS THAN A HUNDRED HOMES IN A VERY SMALL HOA ENGINEERING? PARDON ME? WHAT ARE, WHICH, WHAT'S YOUR, SO THERE, THERE, THEY'RE SAID TO BE PRIVATE STREETS.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE CITY MAINTAINED.
THEY'LL BE MAIN BY, MAINTAINED BY AN HOA.
THE HOA IS ONLY A HUNDRED HOMEOWNERS.
WE'VE GOT A, WHERE I LIVE, WE HAVE A VERY SMALL HOA THAT'S GOT ABOUT A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT, AND THEY OWN THE STREETS AND THEY'RE IN DEPLORABLE CONDITION AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FIX 'EM.
IS THE CITY PUSHING BACK ON THE PRIVATE STREETS? DO THEY LIKE THAT? I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PERSONAL OPINION ON THEM, BUT THEY ARE, UH, REQUIRED TO BE DESIGNED TO PUBLIC STANDARDS.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE MOST I I HAVE ON THE SITUATION.
I DON'T THINK WE OFFER ANY PUSHBACK OR ANY
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GRACE TOWARDS PRIVATE STREETS OR ANYTHING.SO THE CITY WOULD BE OKAY WITH THOSE BEING PRIVATE STREETS.
SO WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING IS TO, UH, HAVE AN HOA ESTABLISHED THAT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE.
UM, SO IF THIS DOES MOVE FORWARD, THEN THEY WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THAT LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE ENTITY.
BUT THAT DOES GO INTO THE RECOMMENDATION ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS USE IS APPROPRIATE, UM, AT THIS LOCATION.
UM, BECAUSE CONTINUATION OF UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE CITY HAS BEEN, UM, AS IT COMES TO PRIVATE STREETS, WHAT THEY'RE PRESENTING RIGHT NOW IS NOT TO HAVE THEM GATED OR RESTRICTED.
UM, SO THEY WOULD BE PRIVATE IN, YOU KNOW, PAPER, YOU KNOW, ONLY, BUT THE REALITY WOULD BE THEY WOULD BE OPEN, YOU KNOW, TO ANYONE BEING ABLE TO ACCESS IT.
UH, I GUESS I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS FOCUSING ON WAS THE MAINTENANCE ELEMENT.
NOT THAT IT'S GATED, YOU CAN'T DRIVE ON IT, BUT THE MAINTENANCE ELEMENT THAT, THAT WOULD BE MANAGED BY THE HOA AND NOT THE CITY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR DESIGN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, PART OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WHAT THAT FUTURE RESULT WOULD BE AND WHAT THE ASK OF THE CITY OR ANY PUBLIC ENTITY MIGHT BE, UM, IN THE FUTURE.
SO THE DEVELOPERS PRESENTING AT THIS TIME, UM, THAT THEY WOULD PACKAGE IT FOR AN HOA TO MAINTAIN IT, BUT THE REALITY OF WHAT THAT MIGHT TRANSLATE INTO IS WHAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, ANOTHER ONE IS, THERE'S, THERE'S A DISCREPANCY IN THE, IN SOME OF THE LANGUAGE, THE DEVELOPERS DOCUMENTATION WHERE THEY HAVE LOOKS LIKE A HOMEOWNER'S DECLARATION OR WHATEVER IT SAYS THREE STORIES YET IN THE OTHER ELEMENT, OTHER AREAS, IT SAYS TWO STORIES.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A TWO STORY PROPOSAL? WELL, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THEY PROVIDED ARE DRAFT, SO THOSE WERE NOT SET IN STONE.
UH, BUT IN THEIR PROPOSAL THEY HAVE LIMITED TO TWO STORIES AND WE WOULD, IF THIS MOVED FORWARD, WE WOULD HOLD THEM TO TWO STORIES IN THE 45 FOOT HEIGHT STANDARD.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS THEY PROPOSE THE USE OF STUCCO.
IT JUST, THAT LOOKS, THAT'S GOT ALL KINDS OF MAINTENANCE ISSUES.
DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY OPINION ABOUT PUTTING MORE STUCCO OUT THERE, GIVEN AS WHAT AN ENVIRONMENT AS WE HAVE AND COULD AND CAN WE LIMIT THAT? YEAH, AND WE PROBABLY ECHO IT.
THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE IS, UH, LEGISLATURE YES.
WON'T ALLOW US TO REGULATE SPECIFIC, BUT BUILDING MATERIALS.
SO UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE TO GO ABOUT IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY, SO, OKAY.
WERE YOU FINISHED? NO, I, I GOT TO MY END OF MY LIST.
UH, IN REFERENCE TO THE PRIVATE STREETS, WE ALL KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME SITUATIONS THAT EXIST NOW THAT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA LONG TIME AGO, BUT THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES NOW.
HAS STAFF KIND OF SAID, WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING AND THIS IS WHAT THE OUTCOME HAS BEEN.
AND, AND KIND OF TO, UM, BRIAN'S POINT AS WELL, UM, ANY OF THE DEVELOPMENT STAGES.
SO WHAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM THOSE EXPERIENCES, MM-HMM.
UM, SO THERE'S NO, UM, YOU KNOW, QUESTION AS TO THE OWNERSHIP OF IT.
UM, BUT PART OF WHAT WE KNOW IS, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER CAN PROMISE THAT THIS WILL BE SET UP IN A CERTAIN WAY.
UM, BUT THE REALITY OF WHO MIGHT BE LIVING THERE IN 30 YEARS AND THEIR ABILITY TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN YES, WHAT TRADITIONALLY IS PUBLICLY MAINTAINED MM-HMM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? SEEING NONE, WE WANNA HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER, PLEASE.
UM, MY NAME IS CHRIS SIMS. I'M THE APPLICANT, THE DEVELOPER.
UM, AND I'M REALLY HERE JUST TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU MAY HAVE, I THINK THAT YOU'VE ASKED QUITE A FEW, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE PRIVATE VERSUS PUBLIC STREETS WE'RE AGNOSTIC.
UH, WE THOUGHT THAT THE CITY MIGHT PREFER PRIVATE STREETS, BUT IF YOU GUYS PREFER PUBLIC STREETS, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
I LIVE IN A PRIVATE COMMUNITY WITH PRIVATE STREETS, AND, UH, THE ONLY DAMAGE, I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 24 YEARS, THE ONLY DAMAGE THAT'S BEEN DONE IS BY THE GARBAGE TRUCKS RUMBLING THROUGH THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD TO REPLACE A FEW PATCHES OF CONCRETE OVER 25 YEARS.
UM, IF, IF THE HOA OWNS THE STREETS AND IS GOING TO MAINTAIN IT, UH, WE WOULD, UH, COLLECT, UH, FUNDS FOR A SINKING FUND FOR THE FUTURE REPAIR OF THE STREETS GOING FORWARD.
UH, IF IT'S A PUBLIC STREET, THEN IT'S THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY.
SO, BUT THE STREETS, AS YOU SAID, WOULD BE BUILT TO, UH, PUBLIC STREET STANDARDS, WHICH I THINK JUST INCREASED RECENTLY FROM, I THINK, SEVEN INCHES OF CONCRETE TO EIGHT INCHES.
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UH, IT'S UNDER A NEW CODE, UH, AS OF, UH, MARCH 15TH.SO, BUT OUR INTENT IS TO BRING A, UH, A NEW PRODUCT TO THE CITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I HEARD 800 UNITS OF APARTMENTS AND 114 UNITS OF TOWN HOMES.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A GARDEN HOME, UH, A, UM, 18 TO 2000 SQUARE FOOT, THREE BEDROOM, THREE AND A HALF BATH HOUSE ON A RELATIVELY SMALL LOT.
UH, WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE A LOCK AND LEAVE LIFESTYLE FOR, UH, FOR FOLKS.
UH, AND THE MEANS IN WHICH WE INTEND TO ACHIEVE THAT IS TO, UH, HAVE THE HOA MAINTAIN ALL OF THE YARDS IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE COMMON AREAS.
SO OUR HOA FEES ARE GONNA BE HIGHER THAN NORMAL, BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE BENEFITS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOOL WITH THE LAWN GUY.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE LEAF BLOWERS AND LAWNMOWERS ROARING SEVEN DAYS A WEEK LIKE YOU DO IN MOST COMMUNITIES.
IT'LL BE ONE DAY A WEEK, THEY COME IN, THEY GET KNOCK OUT THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, UH, LOW MAINTENANCE, UH, LOCKING LEAVE, UH, UH, WE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH THAT TYPE OF PRODUCT IN THE PAST.
WE'VE BUILT TOWN HOMES AND SUGAR LAND.
UM, I'M, I COME FROM A HOME BUILDING BACKGROUND.
I'VE BUILT LUXURY CUSTOM HOMES FOR 35 YEARS.
SO, BUT NOW I'M DOING, TRYING TO DO SMALL BOUTIQUE, UH, SUBDIVISIONS FOR, UH, QUALITY, UH, PRODUCTION HOME BUILDERS.
AND THE PARTICULAR PRODUCT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, UH, BEING BUILT IN, UH, SEVERAL OF THE LARGER MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES AROUND THE CITY, INCLUDING SIENNA, UM, WOOD FOREST UP IN CONROE, JORDAN RANCH, UM, MERIDIAN MERIDA OUT IN, UH, CYPRUS, UH, AND ANOTHER, UH, PROJECT DOWN IN, UH, MANVILLE.
SO IT'S, UH, RECEIVED A LOT OF, UH, ACCEPTANCE, UH, MOST OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT, UH, THEY HAVE GONE INTO WITH THIS PARTICULAR PRODUCT.
IT'S, UH, IT'S A NICHE PRODUCT, UH, AND WE'RE TRYING TO BRING SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO, UH, MISSOURI CITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? I, I'VE GOT ONE.
YOU'RE, I, I DROVE OVER TO, IS IT PARK HILL VILLAS IN MM-HMM.
SO YOU'VE GOT A MODEL HOME AND ABOUT A HALF A DOZEN UP.
WHAT KIND OF RECEPTION ARE YOU GETTING? WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM, UH, WELL, THE BUYERS IN THIS ENVIRONMENT? WELL, I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO THE HOME BUYERS.
I'M NOT IN THE SALES CENTER, BUT I THINK WE HAVE FOUR SALES IN A WEEK.
UM, THEY, I JUST TALKED TO ONE OF THE BUILDERS.
THEY SOLD ONE FOR I THINK FOUR 11.
SO, UH, AND THEY'RE, SO THE, THE MINIMUM PRICE IN THAT COMMUNITY IS, UH, 3 43 WITH ONE OF THE BUILDERS AND THREE 70 WITH THE OTHER.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I, THEY'RE REAL EXCITED ABOUT IT.
THEY THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO VERY, VERY WELL.
YOU SAID YOU'VE GOT A, ARE YOU, YOU'RE DOING SOME WORK IN SIENNA AS WELL? I'M NOT, UH, THEY'RE DEVELOPING A TRACK WAY IN THE BACK OF SIENNA FOR THIS VERY PRODUCT, AND IT'LL, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE IS IT'LL BE 10, 12 MINUTES OFF OF HIGHWAY SIX, WHEREAS WE WOULD BE ONE MINUTE OFF HIGHWAY SIX.
SO THE ACCESSIBILITY IS THE KEY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? OKAY, THEN WE'RE READY FOR THE PUBLIC.
WE ACTUALLY DO NOT HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
CAN WE STILL SIGN UP? UH, GO AHEAD AND COME FORWARD.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, PLEASE.
JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
DAVID, 45, 11 CREEK POINT LANE AND MISSOURI CITY.
I KNOW THIS IS NOT CURRENTLY THE AGENDA, SO THE QUESTION, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S A QUESTION OF MORE OF A STATEMENT.
UM, WITH THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF WHERE WE LIVE, WHAT I'M NOTICING IS IT SEEMS AS IF MISSOURI CITY IS BECOMING THE HUB FOR LOW INCOME HOMES.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN ACCURATE STATEMENT AS FAR AS WHAT THE GENTLEMAN JUST MENTIONED BEING FOUR 11 AND A PRODUCT THAT HE BUILDER JUST SOLD.
BUT BASED ON THE SCHEMATICS I'M READING THERE, THESE ARE TINY HOMES, WHICH TO ME, RESEMBLES THE TINY HOMES ON THE HIGHWAY
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SIX DOWN THE STREET, WHICH IS, I DON'T THINK IT'S MISSOURI CITY, BUT I WOULD HATE FOR MISSOURI CITY ON THE TRAJECTORY THAT IT IS WHERE WE ARE BUILDING UP THIS CITY FROM WHERE IT WAS TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.ONLY TO COME TO A POINT WHERE WE HAVE INUNDATION OF THESE, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, LOW INCOME HOUSING, IT'S NEEDED, BUT I THINK THERE'S APPROPRIATE PLACES FOR IT.
THIS CORRIDOR WHERE THIS NEW FORT BEND TOWN CENTER IS, IT'S, IN MY OPINION, SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MID TO HIGH END ITEMS COMING IN THAT AREA.
AND WHAT I'M SEEING IT, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE DWINDLING DOWN THE CAPACITY OF WHAT WE HAVE AS A CITY.
AND I WOULD HATE FOR IT TO BE THAT, YOU KNOW, MY WIFE AND I, WE'VE BEEN IN MISSOURI CITY ABOUT 10 YEARS NOW.
WE OWN TWO HOMES IN MISSOURI CITY.
I'M REGISTERING WITH YOU GUYS TO MAINTAIN THAT RE RENTAL PROPERTY.
WE HAVE OUR HOME THAT WE ARE FIGHTING NOW TO NOT HAVE THAT PROJECT THAT YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT, NOT BUILT THE HOTEL THING, WE'RE FIGHTING AGAINST THAT, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST BOUGHT OUR PROPERTY LESS THAN TWO YEARS AGO, SO WE KIND OF CAME INTO ALL OF THIS RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, OUR LIFE SAFE IS IN THESE HOUSES.
AND WHAT I'M SEEING IS THAT YOU, I I WOULD HATE FOR YOU GUYS TO BE THE RECEPTORS OF THESE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE SEEING MISSOURI CITY AS SOME HAVEN WHERE THEY CAN DROP THEIR, YOU KNOW, MINIMALIST BUILDINGS AND ATTRACT, YOU KNOW, LIMITED.
YOU, YOU, I THINK YOU GET MY POINT, BUT LOOK, WE WE'RE, WE HAVE SUGAR LAND AS OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE HAVE CAROLINA AS OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE WANNA BUILD UP, NOT, NOT REALLY BILL DOWN.
AND I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU GUYS CONSIDER WHAT'S GOING IN THESE PLACES.
THIS IS ON THE CORNER OF, I'M SORRY, MR. DAVID, YOUR TIME IS UP.
UH, SEEING AS WE'RE DONE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE, ACTUALLY.
SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE SEVERAL, UH, QUESTIONS.
SO YEAH, SEVERAL OTHER QUESTIONS.
IF YOU CAN PLEASE COME UP TO THE MIC AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
UM, MY NAME IS, UM, I LIVE IN, AT, UH, 28 0 6.
ARE YOU GONNA ALLOW NO, NO, NO.
I, NO, I, I WILL ALLOW IT, BUT I, I'M GONNA MAKE A POINT THAT WE REQUESTED, IF YOU WANTED TO SPEAK, YOU HAD TO SIGN UP AHEAD OF TIME, PLEASE.
I'M ACTUALLY NOT SPEAKING TODAY, BUT I WANT TO KNOW.
WELL, BUT YOU'RE SPEAKING, YOUR, YOUR, WELL, I SAW THERE'S ANOTHER DATE, MAY 28TH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS.
THIS IS AN ITEM FOR THIS ITEM ONLY.
SO YOU WERE WELCOME TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM ONLY.
WELL, WE AS A COMMUNITY, WE ARE HERE TODAY, BUT WE ARE GONNA TRY TO COMPILE ALL OUR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PRESENT THIS AT THE LITTLE BIT.
BUT I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE SHARE THE SAME, UM, THAT THAT GENTLEMAN WAS, UM, JUST BROUGHT UP.
AND WE WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS AREA THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BUILDING IS PROFITING UP, UM, OUT NOWHERE, UM, IN OUR C OKAY.
SO CAN I ASK YOU SOMETHING ABOUT, RELATED TO THIS, UH, I APOLOGIZE, I CAME LATE COUPLE MINUTES FROM WORK.
I KNOW THE PROCESS IF YOU SAY NO, I UNDERSTAND.
UM, WELL, I, I GUESS COME FORWARD AND, AND, AND I, I'LL BE VERY QUICK AND, AND ONLY ONLY IF YOU CAN ADD SOMETHING THAT YES, IT HAS TO BE SPECIFIC TO THIS AGENDA ITEM, NOT TO ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT.
MY NAME'S JOSE BERLAND, 45 11 CREEK LANE.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE, I APPRECIATE IT.
I KNOW THIS IS NOT THE PROCESS.
I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ONE THING.
UH, THIS AREA THAT WE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY, THIS HOUSE IN SURROUNDING AREAS, VERY ATTRACTIVE LAND RIGHT NOW AS A BUSINESS RIGHT NOW, ACTUALLY, I HAD A COUPLE CITIES THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MOVING OUR BUSINESS FROM HOUSTON, WHICH IS 2 88 AND EIGHT CORNER TO, I'M TRYING TO PULL THEM, MISSOURI CITY, BECAUSE I'M A MISSOURI CITY RESIDENT.
OF COURSE, WE NOT GONNA FIT THERE BECAUSE AMAZON TAKE THE WHOLE LAND THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
BUT, UM, I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO
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CONSIDER, WE TRUST YOU.AND I, I KNOW YOU GUYS GONNA MAKE THE DECISIONS, BUT I WANNA HIGHLIGHT, HIGHLIGHT HOW THIS IS A VERY ATTRACTIVE AREA, NOT JUST DEVELOPMENTS BUSINESSES.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING IN HERE RIGHT NOW, AND WE NOT IN RUSH.
WE HAVE TO PUT THE PROPER, AND I KNOW AND WE TRUST YOU, THAT YOU'RE GONNA PICK THE RIGHT PEOPLE, RIGHT? BUSINESSES WRITE PROJECTS TO BE IN HERE.
UH, PLEASE JUST TAKE YOUR TIME WHENEVER WE HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, UH, PROPOSALS TO YOU.
UM, LIKE I BROUGHT IT TO MY BOSS TO BRING THE COMPANY TO MISSOURI CITY.
HE WAS LIKE, WHY MISSOURI CITY? AND I TRIED TO GIVE WHOLE LIST ABOUT ALL THE GOOD THINGS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AS A CITY HERE.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHY IT'S SO ATTRACTIVE RIGHT NOW FOR ALL THE DEVELOPERS AND ALL THE PROJECTS OWNERS AND EVERYBODY.
SO PLEASE JUST TAKE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDER EVERYTHING.
AND JUST EVEN WE, WE MISSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, THERE IS MORE THAT WE CAN PREP AND COME AND SHOW IT TO YOU WITH THE NUMBERS AND THE FACTS INSTEAD OF JUST TALKING FRONT OF YOU.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND YET? WE HAVE A MOTION AND OH, YEAH, WE MOTION.
AND SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
GO, GO AHEAD AND CAST YOUR VOTES, PLEASE.
UM, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, THIS BODY MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO THIS ITEM WILL BE, UM, EITHER WAY WE VOTE ON, IT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR CITY COUNCIL AND THERE WILL BE PUBLIC HEARINGS AT CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS ITEM ALSO.
SO WE ONLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
AND ALSO, I'M NOT SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO FORWARD THIS TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION.
SO STAFF DOES NOT FEEL LIKE THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE CHANGE OF THE LAND USE.
AND, AND LET'S BE CLEAR, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, IS CHANGING THE, THE, THE UNDERLYING LAND USE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND, AND THE DEVELOPERS REQUESTED A, A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WHICH GIVES THEM SOME LEEWAY TO, TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT BETTER FITS WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO.
AND, AND SINCE IT DOESN'T FIT DIRECTLY INTO ANY OF THE EXISTING CITY ZONING CATEGORIES, OKAY, SO, UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
AND SO WE'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, DISCUSSION.
YEAH, TO FOLLOW YOUR POINT, JUST JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, THE CITY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE DISAPPROVE, UH, THIS CHANGE, RIGHT? BUT THEN YOU HAD STATED, AND I THINK IT'S ALSO IN THE DOCUMENTS, THAT THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR SINGLE FAM, FOR SINGLE FAMILY UNITS DOES MEET THE GOALS ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, YOU AS DESCRIBED THE PLAN, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL REMAINS THE CITY'S MOST COMMON.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IT, ON ONE HAND IT MEETS THE PLAN OR COMPLIES WITH IT.
HOWEVER, THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS, APPARENTLY
AND AND YOU SEEM TO BE KIND OF LEANING TOWARD WOULD RATHER, IF WE'RE GONNA RE-DESIGNATE IT FROM SUBURBAN DISTRICT TO SOME OTHER TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, YOU'D PREFER SOMETHING OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY.
IS THAT, AM I FOLLOWING YOU CORRECTLY, MIKE? YES.
SO ONE OF THE GOALS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE LAND THAT WE HAVE LEFT THAT'S UNDEVELOPED IN THE CITY IS TO DIVERSIFY THE TAX BASE.
SINCE MISSOURI CITY REMAINS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE HEAVY, WE WOULD LIKE TO USE THE LAND THAT WE HAVE, IF POSSIBLE, IF WE CAN MAKE IT FIT.
UH, WE'D LIKE TO BRING THINGS THAT ARE OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND WHILE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS GOALS FOR HIGHER DENSITY, UH, THE FOCUS OF THOSE GOALS IS NOT MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DENSITY.
AND, AND WITH THAT IN MIND THEN, AS A SUBURBAN DISTRICT, WHAT CAN IT CURRENTLY BE USED FOR? I MEAN, I'M KIND OF CURIOUS.
WELL, RIGHT NOW IT IS CLASSIFIED SD SO NO FORMAL ZONING ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN ON THIS PROPERTY.
AND IN 2017 IT WAS FORECASTED AS, UH, ESTATE RESIDENTIAL.
BUT THAT'S WHY WE PROVIDED THE SNAPSHOT OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO RESIDENTIAL ESTATE RESIDENTIAL REALLY WOULDN'T WORK IN THAT AREA NOW.
SO STAFF DOESN'T HAVE AN EXACT ON WHAT SHOULD GO THERE, BUT WHEN WE EVALUATE THIS TYPE OF HOUSING FOR THAT AREA, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE BEST FIT.
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OTHER THING THAT THE DEVELOPER DID PROVIDE AS PART OF THE RECORD IS I THINK THESE UNITS WERE ESTIMATED TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 375 AND $400,000 EACH.SO THESE AREN'T ENTRY LEVEL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT MY DEFINITION JUST FOR THE RECORD.
AND COMMISSIONER BAILEY, TO CLARIFY FURTHER ON YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION AS TO SD AND WHAT CAN BE DEVELOPED ON THERE, SD IS THE DESIGNATION THAT THAT PROPERTY RECEIVED AT THE TIME IT WAS ANNEXED.
AND SO THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST ACTUAL ZONING FOR THAT, FOR THAT, UH, UH, FOR THAT UH, AREA.
NOW I HAVE A QUESTION IN REFERENCE.
THE VOTE, OUR VOTE WILL BE TO PASS IT ON FOR CLARIFICATION TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION.
WELL, IT DEPENDS ON THE MOTION.
WE COULD SUBMIT A POSITIVE ONE ALSO AND VOTE ON THAT.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? 'CAUSE I, I HAVE ONE.
UM, HOW DO YOU, IN, SO I UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE LAND USE ISSUE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON MONDAY QUITE A BIT AS WELL.
SO ARE THERE, AND YOU ALSO USED OTHER AREAS AROUND THE TOLLWAY AREA THAT HAVE EITHER MULTIFAMILY, IT SOUNDS LIKE, PLANNED AND APPROVED OR HAVE BEEN REZONED TO MULTIPLAN MULTIFAMILY.
THERE WAS A, I THINK THERE WAS A LOT KIND OF ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER THERE OF SIX AND SO FORTH.
SO HOW DID THOSE GET, HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS WHERE THOSE MAYBE GOT REZONED FROM SD TO SOMETHING ELSE, BUT SOME OF THESE OTHERS HAVEN'T.
IS IT JUST A MATTER OF PRIORITIES AND WORKLOAD, OR HAVE WE NOT REALLY CONSIDERED THESE TO BE REZONED PRIOR TO THAT? OR AM I WAY OFF BASE HERE ON HOW ALL THIS HAPPENED? UM, SO I'LL TAKE THAT.
UM, SO ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS WERE DEVELOPER LED.
AND, UH, SO, UH, THOSE ARE ALLOCATIONS.
THERE'S TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE QUEUE.
ONE, UH, THAT IS LEASING, UH, CURRENTLY THE INSPIRE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL HOMES, UM, AT VICKSBURG AND, UH, HIGHWAY SIX NEXT DOOR TO IT, MULTI-FAMILY THAT'S IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
UM, THAT IS, UH, SCHEDULED TO START CONSTRUCTION LATER THIS YEAR.
THE OTHERS ARE ALLOCATIONS THAT DEVELOPERS APPROACH THE CITY AT VARIOUS POINTS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, UM, REQUESTING, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS ZONING, THE PROPERTY RIGHT TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THIS TRACK THAT'S LISTED AS THE 14 ACRE TRACK THAT WAS PART OF A, A LARGER 40 ACRE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
SO ALL OF THAT FRONTAGE IN FRONT OF THE CREEK MONT SUBDIVISION, UH, GOING TOWARDS THE CITY LIMITS IS ALL PART OF THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
AND THE DEVELOPER SOUGHT TO INCLUDE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, UM, TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE NON-RESIDENTIAL ACREAGE, WHICH WITHIN THAT PD.
SO PART OF THIS IS, IT DOES MEET GOALS IN TERMS OF DENSITY, HAS TO BE PART OF OUR MIX, UH, IN CERTAIN, UH, DEGREES, UM, IN ORDER TO DIVERSIFY THE LAND USE, UH, THAT THE CITY'S LOOKING FOR.
BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF DENSITY THAT'S OUT THERE THAT'S EITHER COMING ON THE QUEUE, UM, ABOUT TO BE DEVELOPED AND HASN'T FULLY BEEN REALIZED.
SO THE CONCERN FROM PART, YOU KNOW, THIS CONCERNING PART ON THE STAFF'S PART IS THIS ACREAGE, IF YOU DEDICATE THAT TO MORE SINGLE FAMILY, UM, WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY AND THE MULTI-FAMILY THAT YOU HAVE OUT THERE, UM, THAT IT'S NOT REALLY SERVING THE CITY'S PURPOSE IN DIVERSIFYING ITS LAND USE.
AND, AND WHEN WAS THAT, THAT, UH, TOWN HOME AREA SET ASIDE? DO YOU HAVE A FEEL FOR, IS IT FIVE YEARS RIGHT, RIGHT.
TO THE, THE, THE PIECE RIGHT ADJACENT? YEAH.
THE OTHER THING I, I WILL GOT A QUESTION IF I'LL MAKE A COMMENT, IS I, I DROVE THROUGH WHERE THESE ARE, THEY'RE REALLY NICE.
I CAN SEE HOW THEY WOULD FIT INTO SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO OWN A NICE HOME, DECENT SQUARE FOOTAGE AND NOT HAVE TO OWN A LAWNMOWER OR WEED EATER OR A PAIR OF GLOVES.
UM, SO I THOUGHT IT, IT'S A NICE LOOKING DEVELOPMENT AND THE, THE UNITS LOOK GOOD EXCEPT FOR THE STUCCO.
SO, SO I HEAR, I HEAR THE DEVELOPER SAYING THAT THE CONCEPT IS CHANGING NOW, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT MR. SULLIVAN'S SAYING THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING INTO THIS KIND OF CATEGORIES AND THE OTHER PLACES ARE ACCEPTING IT.
SO IS THERE ANY ROOM FOR US TO, OR, OR THE STAFF TO LOOK INTO IT TO BE MORE ADAPTABLE TO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE OTHER PLACES? OR JUST WE JUST GONNA BE, WE HAVE A FORMULA THAT WE WILL STICK WITH THAT? OR ARE WE FLEXIBLE? WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE DECISION WE HAVE TO MAKE IS WHETHER OR NOT YES, WE, WE CAN SEND THIS TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION
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IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DO.UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY SAY, HOW DO YOU SAY THIS POLITELY? WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO AGREE WITH STAFF.
IF WE THINK THIS IS A RIGHT THING TO DO, THEN WE CAN SIT IT TO YOU.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T DECIDE OBVIOUSLY.
YEAH, OF COURSE THEY WILL DECIDE AND THEY'LL GATHER INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC TOO.
BUT WE HAVE TO DO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT STAFF'S VIEWPOINT ON THIS.
AND, AND, AND SO I, I THINK WE'VE LEARNED A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT KIND OF WHAT THE GOALS ARE OF IT AND, AND, AND WHAT THE PRODUCT IS.
AND SO THAT HELPS US HOPEFULLY FORM A DECISION THAT WE CAN MAKE, YOU KNOW, VOTE ON, WELL, I'M NOT SAYING THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, BUT YOU KNOW, IN FUTURE ALSO IF SOMETHING COMES UP AND SIMILAR TO THESE, YOU KNOW, SO I JUST WANNA SEE WHAT'S, WELL, I THINK, I THINK EVERYTHING HAS TO BE TREATED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
I MEAN, I THINK TIMES TIMES DO CHANGE AND, YOU KNOW, UH, AS, AS, UH, GRACE STATED ORIGINALLY THIS WAS GONNA BE, UH, ESTATE MM-HMM.
AND, AND, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, EVERYTHING'S STARTING TO CHANGE.
AND, AND NOW IT'S VIEWED AS THAT'S NOT REALLY AN APPROPRIATE THING, UH, FOR THIS SMALL TRACK.
IT, UH, TO, TO THE WOMAN'S COMMENTS ABOUT POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL, UM, THIS COULD BE REZONED TO COMMERCIAL MM-HMM.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING, BECAUSE THE SD WAS JUST THE DEFAULT ZONING.
IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME IN AND, AND MAKE THAT A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, AND IT'S ACTUALLY ABUTS ANOTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ALREADY.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF JUST TO THE, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE WEST, WHAT IS THAT RIGHT NOW? GO BACK TO THE ZONING MAP.
OH, SO THAT'S SD STILL TWO? YEAH.
THAT WAS THE ONE I WAS LOOKING AT WITH THE SUP ON IT.
IF I MAY ADD ONE THING, I, I WANT TO COM I WANNA COMMEND YOU GUYS BECAUSE THAT CORRIDOR, AS THE LAND AVAILABILITY DIMINISHES, I'M SO HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOU GUYS ARE THINKING IN TERMS OF WHAT'S BEST FOR THAT AREA.
AND WE DO NEED TO DIVERSIFY BECAUSE WE HAVE WAITED AND WE'VE ALWAYS HAD ROOFTOPS.
WE NEED TO DIVERSIFY THAT TO TAKE THE WEIGHT OFF OF THE ROOFTOPS IN REFERENCE TO THE TAX BASE.
SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU GUYS ARE CONSCIOUSLY, INTENTIONALLY LOOKING AT EACH TRACT OF LAND THAT'S AVAILABLE NOW BECAUSE IT'S SHRINKING TO MAKE THE BEST USE OF IT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY KUDOS TO THAT IS, IS IT SAFE, OR IF I WERE TO ASSUME THAT AS WE SEE MORE OF THESE COMING UP IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO SIX OR OTHER MAJOR THOROUGHFARE TRYING TO BE REZONED TO RESIDENTIAL USE OR SOMETHING THAT STAFF WOULD BE IN, BE, UH, NOT IN FAVOR OF THOSE GOING FORWARD, TRYING TO ALSO CONVERT THOSE INTO A, A DIFFERENT LAND USE.
WELL, I THINK PART OF IT WOULD BE TO WORK WITH THE LAND THAT ALREADY HAS THAT ALLOCATION FOR RESIDENTIAL.
UM, SO AGAIN, LIKE THE, THE PROPERTY JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS HAS A TOWN HOME, UH, COMPONENT TO IT.
SO WORKING TO SEE HOW YOU CAN MAXIMIZE THAT, THOSE RESIDENTIALLY ZONED AREAS.
UM, AND THEN IF THAT COMES TO BUILD OUT AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE ALLOCATIONS ARE FULLY BUILT OUT AND WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT TRYING TO DIVERSIFY OUR LAND USE, THEN IT'S A QUESTION, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CITY, YOU KNOW, ON WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE AT THAT POINT.
SO I THINK RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF ALLOCATIONS THAT JUST HAVE NOT COME TO FRUITION FOR WHATEVER REASON.
UM, SO IT'S LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THAT ZONING THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE, HOW CAN YOU MAXIMIZE THAT BEFORE ADDING MORE, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE INTO THAT.
AND, AND WHEN YOU GUYS MET WITH THE DEVELOPER, WAS THERE DISCUSSION ABOUT THEM LOOKING TO PURCHASE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY INSTEAD OR MOVE ELSEWHERE? WHAT WAS THE, HOW DID THOSE CONVERSATIONS GO? SO WE'VE, WE'VE HAD DIFFERING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE INTEREST IN THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, UM, BECAUSE OF A RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, AND SO IT'S OVER THE COURSE OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS, OPENING IT UP, UM, BECAUSE IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THE PRODUCT IS NOT NEEDED OR YOU KNOW, ISN'T, UM, THERE'S NOT A MARKET FOR IT IN THE AREA.
UM, BUT JUST THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THAT AS WE, YOU KNOW, MOVE TOWARDS BUILD OUT.
AND, AND, AND WHO'S WORK? WHO WORKS WITH THE DEVELOPER TO FIND OTHER LAND? IS IT THE DEVELOPMENT
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DEPARTMENT OR IS IT THE ECONOMIC GUYS THAT, THAT WORK TO TRY AND HELP THEM FIND ANOTHER PLACE FOR THAT PRODUCT? ALL, ALL RESOURCES WE HAVE AVAILABLE.SO THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER INFORMATION WE HAVE ON THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SIDE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, IS AVAILABLE AS WELL TO WORK WITH THEM.
UM, AND THEN ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF COMMUNITY CONTACTS, UM, THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE.
BUT ALL RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE USE TO ASSIST.
S SILVER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? JUST MAKE A MOTION.
ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? GO AHEAD.
UH, MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
AND, UH, UH, A MOTION IS, HAS BEEN MADE TO FORWARD THIS TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
GO AHEAD AND, UH, MAKE YOUR MOTION ON DOES SOMEBODY WANNA SECOND THAT? OKAY.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO FORWARD THIS TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
SH LET ME ASK ONE QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
UM, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE STREETS? PUBLIC.
PUBLIC, WE, WE HAVE THE OPTION TO SPECIFY AND THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T CARE SO MUCH, SO AMEND YOUR MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT.
I'D LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO MAKE THIS APPROVAL WITH A PUBLIC, WITH A PUBLIC STREET.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FORWARD, THE CITY COUNCIL WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION AND, BUT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THE PD, UH, UH, SPECIFIED PUBLIC STREETS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE VOTE? THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE.
NOW, NOW YOU GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND CONVINCE THEM RIGHT, GRACE.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR VERY, UH, CONCISE DELIVERY OF THAT, UH, INFORMATION.
[b. Planned Development District - Knights Court Office Park II]
SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO, UH, B PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT KNIGHTS COURT OFFICE, PART TWO, PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE COMMENT FOR AGAINST A REQUEST BY RICHARD.I'M GONNA BUTCHER THIS LAST NAME.
UH, HE'LL INTRODUCE HIMSELF, MAYBE LGA ENGINEERING TO OWN APPROXIMATELY 12.49 ACRES OF LAND FROM SD SUBURBAN DISTRICT AND SUP SPECIFIC USE, AH, SPECIFIC USE MEANT TO PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED EAST OF KNIGHTS COURT ACROSS FROM ELKINS HIGH SCHOOL, SOUTH OF 70 70 NIGHTS COURT, EXISTING OFFICE CONDOS AND NORTH OF THE SUBDIVISION OF STONEBROOK AT RIVERSTONE, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT CONSISTS OF 22 BUILDINGS, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE APPROXIMATELY 98 OFFICE CONDO SPACES AND APPROXIMATELY 326 PARKING SPACES, INCLUDING TWO AREAS THAT WILL BE PROPOSED FOR DETENTION.
THE PROPOSED USE REGULATIONS, UH, WILL CONSIST OF LCO, LOCAL COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND LC ONE LOCAL RETAIL RESTRICTED.
THE PRODUCT IS, UH, WILL BE SIMILAR IN DESIGN TO THE EXISTING CONDOS AT 77 NIGHTS COURT OFFICE CONDO, WHICH IS PHASE ONE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING BUFFER DEVIATIONS, WHICH WILL INCLUDE A 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE, UH, SETBACK ALONG KNIGHT'S COURT, WHICH IS A DEVIATION FROM THE 20 FOOT REQUIREMENT ALONG MAJOR THOROUGHFARES AND COLLECTOR ROADS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.
UH, THEY'RE ALSO REQUESTING A DEVIATION FROM SCREENING, UM, AND PARKING ON THE SOUTH END, UH, BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE LEVEE.
HIGHLIGHT HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN, UH, REQUESTING TO ONLY HAVE GRASS COVER WHERE ADJACENT TO THAT LEVEE, WHICH, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS WOULD'VE BEEN TO HAVE, UH, TREE PLANTING AND SHRUBS AND POSSIBLY A WALL.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS SD DISTRICT ZONED AS WELL AS AN OVERLAY OF A SUP SPECIFIC USE PERMIT OF 1 64,
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NUMBER 1 64.THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE 2017 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THE GOALS OF GOAL TWO, 2.2 AND 2.2 POINT A.
WHICH GOAL TOO IS TO HAVE A MORE VARIED DEVELOPMENT TO MOVE BEYOND THE BEDROOM COMMUNITY PERCEPTION OF THE CITY WITH A FOCUS ON THE RECRUITMENT OF MORE SIGNIFICANT OFFICE AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.
TO EXPAND THE LOCAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES, BOLSTER THE NON-RESIDENTIAL TECH BASE TAX BASE, AND TO BUILD A, UM, BUILD OUT THE AREAS ZONED FOR SUCH PURPOSES IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
2.2 A IS TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE LOCATION OF THE LIGHT ASSEMBLY, FLEX SPACES AND THOSE DESIGNATED AREAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS ALSO IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, WHICH THAT PLAN CHARACTERIZES, UH, THAT AREA AS A SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL CHARACTER, WHICH PROVIDES A DESIGNATION FOR BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, UH, RESULTS IN A GREENER MORE OPEN FEEL AND PROVIDES APPROPRIATE OFFICE RETAIL AND SERVICE USES ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL AS GATEWAYS.
AND ALONG HIGH PROFILE CORRIDORS, PUBLIC NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 250 FEET FROM THE PROJECT, UH, FROM THE PROJECT SITE ON MARCH 28TH.
A NOTICE WAS PLACED ON THE PROPERTY ON APRIL 5TH AND THE FIRST HEARING, UH, BEFORE A CITY COUNCIL IS SCHEDULED FOR MONDAY MAY 6TH, 2024.
REQUESTED IS THE ZONING FOR THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT STAFF DOES PROVIDE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM HERE AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS POINT? PROBABLY I DO.
EVERYTHING HAPPENS TO DO WITH KNIGHTS IS TELL US ABOUT TRAFFIC.
UH, 'CAUSE A YEAR AGO WE CONSIDERED, WE HAD A, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, BASICALLY CATTYCORNER TO THIS, AND TRAFFIC WAS A HUGE ISSUE AND THEY DID NOT HAVE MANY AS MANY PARKING SPACES AS THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOW PROPOSING.
I WILL FORWARD THAT TO ENGINEERING.
THAT'S A QUE YEAH, BECAUSE AGAIN, GOING BACK HISTORICALLY, TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE ON THIS STREET.
UM, THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT CHANGES TO BE MADE.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE CITY IS KIND OF WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING WITH ONE OF THESE SPACES AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO PICK UP THE BILL FOR THE CHANGES TO KNIGHTS AS OPPOSED TO THE CITY DOING IT.
SO I'M JUST, WELL, WE HAVEN'T CONDUCTED A FORMAL TRAFFIC.
WELL, IN THE PAST WE HAVE, BUT WITH THIS, UH, PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS DONE.
UM, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF THE AREA AND ITS TRAFFIC DIFFICULTIES, BUT, UH, AS OF NOW WE, WITH THE OFF HOURS COMPARED TO THE SCHOOLS IN THE AREA, I DON'T, WE DON'T PARTICULARLY SEE IT BEING AN, AN ISSUE OF COMBINED TRAFFIC FROM THE SCHOOLS AND THESE BUSINESSES.
UM, BUT THERE'S STILL MORE INFORMATION TO BE GATHERED.
UM, AND YOU'VE, I I THINK YOU'VE READ THE, I GUESS THE STAFF REPORT MM-HMM.
UM, BUT AS OF NOW, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE STILL HAVE, WE STILL HAVE TO GATHER MORE INFORMATION ON POTENTIAL TRAFFIC COUNTS AND, AND HOW WE COULD DISTRIBUTE TRAFFIC THROUGH THE AREA.
ARE WE READY TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? YES, WE'RE READY.
IS RICHARD ROFF WITH, UH, LJ AGENT HERE AND UM, SO WE ARE FULLY AWARE THAT, UH, TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE IN THIS GENERAL VICINITY.
OH, THAT'S WHY
WE DO, WE ARE AWARE THAT THERE IS A, DID SOME PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION ON IT AND IT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE LOWER COUNT TYPE TRAFFIC FOR THIS, FOR THIS TYPE OF A DEVELOPMENT AROUND THERE FOR THE, WHAT YOU COULD HAVE THE, UH, THE, UM, THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOU COULD HAVE.
APARTMENTS WOULD BE PROBABLY ONE OF THE WORST.
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UH, THEY, WE ARE LOOKING AT IN, UH, INTEGRATING OURSELVES WITH THE, THE, UH, CITY OF MISSOURI CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS THING WILL FIT MORE EFFECTIVELY.AND, UH, I I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, UNFORTUNATELY PARKING, THE, UH, PARKING ORDINANCE IS PRETTY GENEROUS ON OFFICES.
EVEN THOUGH THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT RIGHT HERE USUALLY DOESN'T GET THAT MANY PEOPLE USING THE SPACES, MOST OF THE SPACES IN, UH, AT THE OTHER NICE COURT, ABOUT HALF OF 'EM ARE USUALLY EMPTY, BUT THEY'RE THERE BECAUSE THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE THAT THOSE TO BE THERE.
AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD.
THE, THE REASON WE'RE ASKING FOR A VERY SMALL LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT IS SO THAT WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH MOVING THESE BUILDINGS BACK INTO A FLOODPLAIN WITH THE, UH, THE CREEK AND THEN BEHIND THERE THAT'S A PART OF THE BRAZOS RIVER.
SO, SO WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS PROBABLY WHEN, WHEN WE DO OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY STARTED ON, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO INCORPORATE OURSELVES MORE EFFECTIVELY WITH THE CITY, WE WILL FIND THAT THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE LOWEST IMPACT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS YOU COULD HAVE WHERE YOU ARE NOT PLANNING WHERE THIS IS, THIS, THESE LITTLE CONDO A APART, UM, I CALL 'EM APARTMENTS, BUT CONDO COMMERCIAL FACILITIES, MOST OF THE OWNERS REALLY HAVE A BUSINESS THAT THEY'RE OPERATING AND THEY JUST NEED A STOREFRONT FOR CUSTOMERS TO COME SOMETIME DURING THE DAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND WE'RE IN A PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE.
WE DID HAVE A COUPLE PROTEST LETTERS.
UM, I BELIEVE THEY BOTH, UH, I THINK THERE WAS THREE OF 'EM.
THEY RAISED THE QUESTION OF TRAFFIC, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE CASE.
UM, AND, AND I, I, I AGREE THAT THIS PARTICULAR USE IS PROBABLY THE LOWEST IMPACT THAT WE COULD PUT IN THAT AREA, UM, COMPARED TO ALL, ANY, ANY OF THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE.
SO I GUESS IF THERE'S NOBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, WE CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
GOT ANOTHER QUESTION ON TRAFFIC.
WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, DEPARTMENTS A MONTH AGO AND, UM, SNELL, UH, WAS HERE, HE USED THE TERM THAT KNIGHTS IS A FAILED ROADWAY.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT TECHNICALLY THAT BRINGS INTO PLAY, BUT DOES IT MEAN, DOES IT MEAN THAT IF I ADD ANY MORE TRAFFIC TO IT, IT'S SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE? OR IS IT JUST MORE FAILED? KIND OF A COMBINATION OF BOTH? UH, IT WOULD MEAN THAT IT'S MORE FAILED, BUT THERE ARE LIMITED, UM, UPGRADES THAT YOU CAN DO TO DISTRIBUTE THE TRAFFIC.
I, I THINK, I THINK THE CONVERSATION IN THE PAST WAS TO EXTEND THE LEFT TURN LANE, THE CENTER OF TURN LANE THERE, AND EXTEND THAT AND SO FORTH.
THEY'RE WORKING ON SOME, SOME POTENTIAL OPTIONS, UM, THAT COULD GIVE IT A DIFFERENT, UH, ROADWAY CLASS OR NOT ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION, BUT A DIFFERENT GRADE AS FAR AS THIS CLASSIFICATION.
UM, BUT THOSE, THOSE AREN'T SET IN STONE AS OF NOW.
AND, UM, IF THAT COMES ABOUT, IF YOU GUYS TALK WITH THE DEVELOPER, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE ON OR THAT'LL BE AT HIS EXPENSE, WOULD THEY NOT WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THEIR PROPERTY USUALLY.
UM, AND IF WE DISCOVER ADDITIONAL, UH, I GUESS UPGRADES THAT WE COULD MAKE TO THE AREA, WE COULD HAVE THE DEVELOPER FOOT THE BILL.
UM, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO SEE WHAT THOSE UPGRADES WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
'CAUSE ONCE WE GET THOSE COUNTS MM-HMM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO I UNDERSTAND, UH, IN THE PAST THERE HAVE BEEN SOME FLOODING SITUATION, UH, IN THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY IN THE 2017 MAY 17TH, I BELIEVE, AND THAT THERE WAS INACCESSIBLE.
WILL THAT HAVE ANY EFFECT ON, ON THESE? UM, WELL, AS LONG AS THEY,
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UH, BECAUSE IT, YES, THIS IS IN THE BRAZOS RIVER, UH, FLOODPLAIN AS LONG AS, UH, THE DEVELOP, WHEN THEY DO BRING IN THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY PROPERLY, UH, MITIGATE OR OFFSET THE FIELD FROM THEIR PROPERTY IN THE, IN THE, UH, IN THE FLOOD PLAIN TO OUTSIDE THE FLOOD PLAIN.SO AS LONG AS THEY MITIGATE, AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE GONNA GO FORWARD WITH FORT BEND COUNTY'S, UH, DRAINAGE UPGRADE, UPDATED, UH, DRAINAGE CRITERIA, WHICH REQUIRES TWO FEET ABOVE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION FOR THIS AREA.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE OUR CITY STANDARDS.
THAT AND THAT WOULD OCCUR AT PLATTING.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO, HAVE ALL THOSE CALCULATIONS IN AND THEY, THEY'VE ALREADY STATED THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, DETENTION 'CAUSE THEY REALIZE THAT THEY'RE GONNA NEED IT.
BUT WE'VE ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ARE WE READY TO HAVE A MOTION, MA'AM? SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS AND SEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO CAUSE RECOMMENDATION.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
GO AHEAD AND CAST YOUR VOTES PLEASE.
[a. Nonconforming Use]
ON.SECTION NINE, ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS, A NON-CONFORMING USE PUBLIC HEARING.
RECEIVE COMMENTS FOR AGAINST PROPOSED AMENDS TO THE CITY OF MISSOURI CITY ZONING ORDINANCE REGARDING NON-CONFORMING USES.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, THIS WILL HOPEFULLY YOUR STATEMENT BY MAKING, JUST SAYING THIS IS A PROCEDURAL THING, RIGHT? THIS IS A PROCEDURAL THING,
UM, SO LAST LEGISLATIVE CHANGES, UH, THIS WAS ENACTED INTO LAW.
UM, SO THIS IS NOW REQUIRED OF THE CITY.
SO THIS ITEM WOULD BE, UH, OUR STEPS TO ADD THIS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, AND SO THIS IS THE NEW REQUIREMENT THAT BASICALLY FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, ANY CHANGES THAT WE MAKE, UH, TO THE ZONING TEXTS IN REGULATIONS THAT A USE TODAY, UM, OR USE, UM, AT THE TIME THAT THEY WERE PERMITTED, UH, WAS A LEGALLY OPERATING PERMITTED USE.
IF WE MAKE ANY CHANGES THAT PUTS THAT USE INTO A NON-CONFORMING, UH, STATUS, THAT AS WE HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS TO CONSIDER CHANGES TO THOSE REGULATIONS, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE WRITTEN NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, TO THE OCCUPANT, TO PRO THE, UM, OWNER OF PERSONAL PROPERTY AT THE LOCATIONS THAT MIGHT BE SUBJECT TO THOSE USES.
SO THE NEXT CASE, UM, WILL BE AN EXAMPLE, UM, OF WHAT THIS DOES.
UM, BUT, UH, THIS WOULD, UH, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A CHOICE, UH, IN THE MATTER OF THIS.
SO, UH, THIS IS, UH, APPLICABLE TO THE CITY FROM THIS POINT FORWARD.
UM, THE NOTICE THAT IS PROVIDED WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE NOTICE WE PROVIDED WITH ZONING CASES CURRENTLY.
UM, AND THE NOTICE WOULD, UH, SPELL OUT THE TIME AND THE PLACE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, BUT THE LAW ALSO REQUIRES THE CITY TO PUT THIS, UH, STATEMENT ON THE NOTICE.
AND SO THE NOTICE WOULD ESSENTIALLY INFORM, UH, THE READER THAT THIS, UM, THERE'S PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE BEING HELD THAT MAY DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOUR RIGHT TO CONTINUE TO USE YOUR PROPERTY, UM, BECOMES A NON-CONFORMING USE.
SO THIS WOULD BE AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 16 AND SECTION 19 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT YOU APPROVE A FINAL REPORT TO FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL.
I'M, I'M GONNA REITERATE SOMETHING I SAID ON MONDAY, I THINK 200 FEET, 10 DAYS, US POSTAL SERVICE IS NOT ACCEPTABLE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S CHANGING SOMETHING FROM CONFORMING TO NONCONFORMING USE.
I'D MUCH RATHER SEE GIVING SOMEBODY AT LEAST A MONTH'S NOTICE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN POSTAL SERVICE DELIVERY OUTTA THE MISSOURI CITY SORTING LOCATION, USE, UH, REGISTERED RETURN RECEIPTS SO THEY KNOW THEY GOT IT.
UM, I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S, I, I JUST LIKE, LIKE TO SEE, GO, LIKE TO SEE THE CITY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY KNOWS THIS IS HAPPENING TO THEIR PROPERTY.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGN UP? WE DO NOT.
AND NOW WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE BOOK OF HEARING.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT MOTION CARRIES.
UH, ITEM TWO, CONSIDER APOSTLE ACTION.
ANY DISCUSSION? SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, SO TO THE COMMISSIONER'S POINT, IF THE COMMISSION DOES WANT TO VOTE ON EXTENDING THAT TIMELINE, THEN THAT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT, UH, TO THE REPORT THAT'S PRESENTED TO YOU.
SO I, I, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CHANGES WITH A COUPLE OF AMENDMENTS.
THE FIRST THING BEING EXTENDED THE NOTICE PERIOD, IT'S LISTED IN 19.5 TO 30 DAYS.
AND CONSIDER UTILIZING OTHER METHODS OF NOTIFICATION OTHER THAN A MAILED STATEMENT, SOMETHING THAT'S MORE POSITIVE, HOW IT'S MAILED OUT.
YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO, UH, WHEN YOU'RE MAKING THAT AMENDMENT TO, UH, TO YOUR MOTION, UH, SPECIFY WHAT TYPE OF ALTERNATE, UH, NOTICE OTHER THAN US POSTAL MAIL THAT YOU WOULD, THAT YOU WOULD MIGHT CONSIDER, OR THIS BODY CAN THINK ABOUT IT AND, AND TALK ABOUT IT AT THIS JUNCTURE.
SOMETHING LIKE REG, YOU KNOW, REGISTERED MAIL, RETURN RECEIPT.
I GUESS MY MAIN CONCERN WITH THAT, PART OF IT IS, IS IT BECOMES ONEROUS TO THE CITY TO, TO HAVE TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I AM READY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
I DON'T DISAGREE THAT MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
UM, AND, AND MAYBE THAT'S A BETTER APPROACH IS JUST TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW EFFECTIVE THIS, THE CURRENT SETUP WOULD BE.
AND, AND IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT EFFECTIVE, THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? OKAY.
AND GIVEN THAT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO DO,
SO PART OF IT IS, IS THE LAW IS IN EFFECT.
SO WE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THAT ANYWAY.
THIS WOULD JUST BE CLEANING UP THE LANGUAGE, UH, SO THAT IT'S IN ONE PLACE FOR STAFF TO ACCESS.
AND SO IT COULD BE A SITUATION WHERE WE ADOPT THIS TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE, UM, EXTEND THE TIMEFRAME OF THE NOTICE, AND THEN WE CAN BRING BACK ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS FOR, UM, OTHER PROVISIONS OF PROVIDING NOTICE.
SHE IS CORRECT ON THE STATUTE.
THE STATUTE IS IN EFFECT CURRENTLY.
AND IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, EVEN THOUGH NO ONE MARKED THEIR, UH, MOTION ON THE BOARD, IT SOUNDED LIKE, AM I CORRECT? UH, COMMISSIONER SOY, DID YOU MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE, THE SEND A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION WITH YOUR CHANGE? THAT'S WHAT I HAD.
SO THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO EITHER WITHDRAW THAT MOTION IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER TALKING ABOUT, OR ALTERNATE MEANS OF NOTICE, UH, SO THAT YOU CAN INCLUDE IT IN THAT, IN YOUR, IN YOUR, IN THE MOTION TO BE CONSIDERED.
SO YOU MIGHT CONSIDER WITHDRAWING YOUR MOTION AT THIS TIME FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
AND I'LL, I'LL WITHDRAW THE MOTION IF IT MAKES THE DISCUSSION EASIER.
I DON'T SEE A MOTION ON HERE, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING
YOU, ONCE I WAS DONE, I'D HIT THE LITTLE BROWN BUTTON.
SO IS, IS JENNIFER'S APPROACH ACCEPTABLE OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION PUT INTO IT? RIGHT NOW, MY MAIN CON, MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT THIS IS SUCH A DRASTIC MEASURE TO A PERSON THAT OWNS A PIECE OF PROPERTY AS FAR AS IT, IT COULD DRASTIC, IT WILL DRASTICALLY IMPACT THEM THEN IN CHANGING A USE TO NOW BE NON-CONFORMING.
SO WHATEVER THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING, THEY CAN'T DO IT IF THERE'S A DAMAGE TO THE BUILDING, IF THE BUILDING IS DESTROYED OR THAT THEY WANNA DO.
SO I WANT TO GIVE, MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DO GIVES THOSE OWNERS
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AS MUCH NOTICE AS POSSIBLE.SO WANNA ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I THINK EXTENDING IT TO 30 DAYS DOES THAT, AND MY CONCERN WOULD BE IF, IF WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR FEEDBACK, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT ACTUALLY GETS RESOLVED AND BACK ON AN AGENDA FOR, SO THAT IT GETS BACK TO CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE ANOTHER AMENDMENT TO THIS, TO CHANGE THE NOTE, THE METHOD OF NOTIFICATION.
I, I WOULD THINK THAT COST WOULD BE A FACTOR.
SO YOU WOULD NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT COSTS ARE INVOLVED TO, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
WELL, SO IF IF WE DO NOTHING, IT HAPPENS ANYWAY.
IF, IF YOU DO NOTHING, IT HAPPENS.
BARE MINIMUM, THE STATE REQUIREMENTS, SO THE STATE REQUIREMENT IS WRITTEN NOTICE US POSTAL MAIL, UH, 10 DAYS, UM, IN BASICALLY 11 DAYS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO YOU'RE MATCHING WHAT THE STATE REQUIREMENT IS IN THE CURRENT WORDING.
IN EFFECT, UH, CHAIRMAN HANEY, UH, THE STATE LAW WOULD TRUMP WHATEVER THE ORDINANCE HAD, ORDINANCE SAYS THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE INEFFECTIVE, UH, BECAUSE IT'S NON-COMPLIANT WITH THE STATUTE, IT'S PREEMPTED BY THE STATUTE.
AND SO, UH, WHAT THIS ATTEMPT IS, WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUR CITY ORDINANCES TO FALL IN LINE AND MATCH WHAT THE STATE STATUTES, UH, HAVE PROVIDED.
NOW, THAT'S NOT TO SAY WE COULDN'T BE MORE ONEROUS THAN THE STATE STATUTE AND, AND REQUIRE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF NOTICE, BUT TO, TO YOUR POINT, UH, YES.
IF, IF, IF THE COMMISSIONERS DO NOT FORWARD THIS TO, UH, CITY COUNCIL WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, THEN YES, STATE LAW WILL, WILL, WILL GUIDE THIS PROCESSES.
BUT, BUT HAVING SAID THAT, 30 DAYS IS BEFORE THE 10TH DAY.
SO IF WE SAID 30 DAYS, WE WOULD STILL MEET THE STATE REQUIREMENT OF BEFORE THE 10TH DAY, RIGHT? YES.
SO I, I THINK WE CAN PUT A MORE STRINGENT REQUIREMENT ON TIME AS WELL, AND NOT NO, ABSOLUTELY.
YOU, YOU CAN MAKE YOUR, YOUR ORDINANCE MORE STRINGENT THAN THE, THAN THE, UH, STATE LAW.
SO THE MOTION WILL BE, SO WHERE, WHERE ARE WE NOW? I, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE PROPOSED CHANGES WITH ONE AMENDMENT, AND THAT IS TO CHANGE THE NOTIFICATION DATE TO 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE HEARING AND WOULD REQUEST STAFF TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT OTHER WAYS, OTHER METHODS OF COMMUNICATION OF THAT NOTICE OTHER THAN THE US POSTAL SERVICE.
EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT MOTION? YES.
SO WE, WE CAN ADD ONE MORE THING.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT ON MONDAY ABOUT ONSITE NOTICE.
UH, ARE WE STILL OPEN FOR THAT? I THINK MR. WE BROUGHT IT UP.
NOTICE THE PEOPLE THAT'S ALREADY'S ALREADY IN THERE.
IT'S ALREADY IN, THAT'S ALREADY REQUIREMENT.
BUT, UH, WE DON'T SEE ONSITE, THE ONSITE NOTICE IS FOR ZONING AMENDMENTS AND NOT, NOT FOR THE, UH, UH, THE REGULATION.
SO SOME, SOME MAY NOT BE EASILY PLACED ON A, A PIECE OF PROPERTY, UM, AS OPPOSED TO OTHERS.
SO YEAH, THE, THE CASES LIKE THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS THAT WE JUST SAW, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO ON SITE AND PLACE ASSIGNED PHYSICALLY, UM, ZONING, TEXT AMENDMENTS.
IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A PHYSICAL LOCATION THAT WE CAN PLACE IT.
WELL, THE FOCUS HERE IS ON THE BUSINESS OWNER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER AS OPPOSED TO THE PUBLIC.
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE PUBLIC, IT AFFECTS THE, EITHER THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE TENANT, THE PROPERTY OWNER, OR THE, OR THE BUSINESS.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
GO AHEAD AND, UH, CAST YOUR VOTES, PLEASE.
[b. Gas Stations]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS GAS STATIONS.SO THIS IS ONE THAT AMENDMENT BE THE CITY DISCUSS AMENDMENTS TO THE POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY OF MISSOURI CITY ZONING ORDINANCE REGARDING GASOLINE SERVICE STATIONS.
SO AS WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT
UH, GASOLINE SERVICE STATIONS RIGHT NOW ARE PERMITTED USES BY RIGHT IN THE LC THREE, UH, RETAIL DISTRICT.
SO THAT MEANS THAT ANY PROPERTY THAT HAS THAT ZONING DESIGNATION OF LC THREE, UM, A PROPERTY OWNER HAS THE ABILITY, UH, TO DEVELOP A, A GAS STATION.
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WOULD BE, OBVIOUSLY OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.SO ALL OF THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS OF THE LC THREE DISTRICT WOULD APPLY.
OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, BUILDING CODES, FIRE CODES, ALL OF THAT WOULD STILL APPLY.
BUT LAND USE WISE, A GAS STATION IS A PERMITTED USE IN THE LC THREE DISTRICT.
IT'S OUTRIGHT PROHIBITED IN THE LC ONE, IN THE LC TWO, UM, UH, RETAIL DISTRICTS.
SO IF YOU'VE BEEN AROUND THE CITY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, YOU KNOW, GAS STATIONS HAS BEEN, UM, AN ISSUE OF CONCERN, UM, UH, THROUGHOUT, UH, THE CITY.
AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED ARE, UH, GAS STATIONS IN PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
UH, SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE, UH, POPPED UP ARE THOSE, UH, REMAINING TRACKS OF LAND THAT ARE ZONED, UH, FOR LC THREE USE THAT MAY BE RIGHT ADJACENT TO RIGHT ABUTTING TO DEVELOPED SINGLE FAMILY, UM, OR OTHER RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
UM, THE CLUSTERING OF GAS STATIONS AT CERTAIN AREAS, UM, WHERE WE'VE SEEN GAS STATIONS LOCATE ON ALMOST EVERY CORNER, UM, OF A INTER AN INTERSECTION, UM, OR WITHIN, YOU KNOW, A BLOCK OR TWO, UM, OF ANOTHER EXISTING, UH, GAS STATION.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE PUBLIC HAS EXPRESSED SOME ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, IMPACTS OR SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
UM, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, DIFFERENT WAYS TO APPROACH THAT.
UM, BUT THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN, UH, RAISED, UH, IN THE PUBLIC CONVERSATION.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, DISCUSSING AND GETTING THE, THE COMMISSION'S IMPACT OR INPUT ON, UM, IS PUTTING SOME ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS, UM, IN FOR GAS STATIONS.
SO REMOVING GASOLINE CELLS, UM, AS A PERMITTED USE BY RIDE IN THE LC THREE DISTRICT.
UM, AND REQUIRING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, SUP APPROVAL, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE, UH, NEW GAS STATIONS COMING IN TO GO THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS, UM, FOR APPROVAL PRIOR TO, UH, BEING ABLE TO BE PERMITTED, UM, WITH THAT, ESTABLISHING SOME DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, UH, TO PROVIDE, UH, SOME CONSISTENCY, UH, IN TERMS OF WHAT A FUTURE GASOLINE, UH, STATION, UH, SHOULD LOOK FOR, UM, FOR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, SOME SETBACKS SPECIFIC TO THE CELL OF GASOLINE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION AND PROXIMITY FROM OTHER EXISTING, UM, GASOLINE CELLS, BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS DEPENDING ON WHAT PROPERTIES ARE ADJACENT, UH, TO A SUBJECT PROPERTY SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, ET CETERA.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT STAFF IS LOOKING AT, UH, BRINGING TO THE COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION.
UM, WE'LL, I WILL NOTE THAT SOME OF OUR ADJACENT CITIES DO REQUIRE EITHER CONDITIONAL OR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, APPROVAL, WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO, UH, THE CITY'S SPECIFIC USE PERMITS.
SO THE NEXT STEPS, UH, WOULD BE TO DEVELOP THOSE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE, THE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
AGAIN, THE LAST ACTION THAT YOU TOOK IS GOING TO AFFECT, UH, THIS TIMELINE AS WELL.
UM, BECAUSE ALL OF THE GAS STATIONS THAT EXIST IN THE CITY, IF ANY CHANGES, UM, ARE PROPOSED THAT WOULD, UH, BASICALLY MAKE THEM NON-CONFORMING, UM, THEN WRITTEN NOTICE HAS TO BE PROVIDED, UM, AS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.
UM, SO THAT WOULD APPLY IN THIS CASE.
UM, SO WE WOULD NEED TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALLOWABLE TIME, UH, FOR WRITTEN NOTICE.
THIS SCHEDULE, IF WE BRING IT BACK IN MAY, IS BASED ON A 10 OR 11, UH, DAY, UH, NOTICE SCHEDULE.
WE'LL REFLECT AND REVISE BASED ON THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT, UM, AND GO BACK, UH, AT LEAST 30 DAYS TO SEE WHAT THAT TIMELINE WOULD LOOK LIKE, SO THAT THEY HAVE PROPER NOTICE THAT, UM, POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS, UM, ARE BEING CONSIDERED.
THEY HAVE PROPER NOTICE OF THE DATE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WOULD THEN BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, CONSIDERATION OF THOSE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, UM, FOR YOU ALL TO MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL.
I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS, ANY DISCUSSION, UM, AND THEN WE WILL, UH, BRING THOSE AMENDMENTS BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION.
SO REMIND ME AGAIN, NON-CONFORMING USE MEANS BASICALLY THEY CAN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THEIR EXISTING PROPERTY.
SO WITHOUT, I MEAN IT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY GO OUTTA BUSINESS, RIGHT? BUT, BUT THEY CAN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES OR UPGRADES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THAT'S WHERE THE, THE, THE, THE PART WHERE THEY COULD NO LONGER BE ABLE TO OPERATE A BUSINESS THERE, RIGHT? AND SO, SO SIMILAR, WELL, THERE'S DIFFERENT, UH, PARAMETERS.
UM, BUT BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PARTIAL DESTRUCTION, TOTAL DESTRUCTION, THERE'S ABANDONMENT MEANING, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NO LONGER USED FOR THAT PURPOSE FOR A NUMBER OF DAYS.
UM, IF THOSE CONDITIONS ARE MET, THEN THEY LOSE THEIR NON-CONFORMING STATUS.
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SO THAT MEANS A NEW OPERATOR, A NEW OWNER THAT SEEKS THEN TO OPEN UP THE SAME USE AT THAT POINT, IF NON-CONFORMING STATUSES IS, UM, EXPIRED, UM, THEN THEY HAVE TO BRING IT INTO, UH, CURRENT COMPLIANCE.SO IF A GAS STATION OPERATOR GOES DORMANT, YOU KNOW, FOR 120 DAYS, UM, NO ONE'S OPERATING THE GAS STATION, IT'S OUT OF BUSINESS AND SOMEONE TAKES OVER THAT PROPERTY, UM, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH WHATEVER THE REGULATION IS AT THAT TIME.
AND, AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE MAY SAY IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A VALID LOCATION ANYMORE, RIGHT.
AND YOU CANNOT OPEN A GAS STATION THERE, RIGHT? THAT'S KIND OF THE BOTTOM LINE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO HOW DO WE GET HERE
HOW DO WE GET TO, UM, THE SITUATION WHERE, I GUESS THE, THE, THE FACT THAT IT'S DEFAULT IN LC THREE AND, AND NOW WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT LC THREE BEING A BUDDING ALL THESE OTHER RESIDENTIAL THINGS, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S LIKE WE DIDN'T FORESEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE AND, AND NOW IT'S, IT'S APPARENTLY BECOME AN ISSUE.
IT, WELL, AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S STILL KIND OF A SIMILAR CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING.
UM, SO AS WE MOVE TOWARDS BUILD OUT OF NEW LAND, UM, THEN WE WE'RE SEEING THOSE, THOSE LITTLE POCKETS OF AREAS, THE THINGS HAVE DEVELOPED AROUND IT, UM, THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, AN INTENTION FOR ANOTHER TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL SERVICE, YOU KNOW, FOR, UM, SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL.
BUT OVER TIME, UH, A NEW DEVELOPER CAME IN, THEY LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, THE MIX OF USES THAT THEY COULD DO, AND THEY SAW AN OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, TO EXPAND THE USES THAT THEY COULD DO.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF, YOU KNOW, SITUATIONS OR SCENARIOS, UH, LIKE THAT THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OPEN IN TERMS OF REEVALUATING, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, UM, AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE KIND OF PRIORITIZE, UM, DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS THAT WE WANT, YOU KNOW, UM, DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WITH THAT IS REASSESSING OUR ZONING ORDINANCE BECAUSE LC THREE, ALLOWING FOR GAS STATION USES IN 1985 MAY LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, 30, 40 YEARS LATER.
UM, YOU KNOW, WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S DEVELOPED AROUND IT.
AND, AND, AND I LIKE HOW, HOW JENNIFER SAID ALL OF THAT VERY NICELY.
THERE WAS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS OWNED BY AN ENTITY.
THEY BOUGHT IT A LONG TIME AGO, AND IT STAYED DORMANT.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE DEVELOPER SAW AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A SERVICE, A GAS STATION THERE, A CONVENIENCE STORE SLASH GAS STATION, AND IT WAS ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THERE WASN'T A LOT THAT COULD BE DONE TO PREVENT IT.
DO THEY THEN SUBMIT AN SUP TO MAKE THEIR PROPERTY TO, TO, TO GET THE APPROVAL TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE A GAS STATION ON THAT GOING FORWARD? SO, SO HYPOTHETICAL.
UH, 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY CHANGES YET.
UM, BUT HYPOTHETICAL, IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD AND REQUIRE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT APPROVAL AND THEY'RE NOT CONFORMING, USE LAPSE, UM, OR, UM, EXPIRES, THEN YES, IN ORDER TO RECEIVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, UM, YOU KNOW, TO OPERATE A GASOLINE SERVICE STATION, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS FOR SUP APPROVAL.
AND HOW DOES CONVENIENCE STORE FIT IN THIS? BECAUSE I THINK PART OF THE ISSUE WITH EVEN THAT, THAT FACILITY WAS NOT JUST THE GAS STATION, BUT THE CONVENIENCE STORE THAT WENT WITH IT, RIGHT? HOW DO THOSE, HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO, AND I, FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, CONVENIENCE STORES ARE USUALLY SEPARATED.
SO, UM, IN THE, THE DISTRICTS THAT YOU KNOW, ARE SHOWN HERE, THE USE BY WRITING THE LC THREE DISTRICT IS FOR GASOLINE CELLS.
CONVENIENCE STORES ARE PERMITTED IN THE LC ONE, LC TWO DISTRICTS, WHICH ARE MORE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, YOU KNOW, DISTRICTS, BUT THEY'RE PERMITTED WITHOUT GASOLINE SALES.
SO YOU CAN HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD STORE OR YOU CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, A SMALL RETAIL STORE, BUT YOU CANNOT SELL GASOLINE, UM, IN THOSE DISTRICTS.
SO I GIVE ON THE NEXT SLIDE WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE PICTURES, THE ONE THAT'S AT THE CORNER OF CARTRIGHT AND 2234, THE BOTTOM RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A CONVENIENCE STORE GAS STATION, RIGHT? WHAT, WHAT IS THAT CONSIDERED? IS THAT A, IS THAT A GAS STATION OR IS THAT A IT'S A GAS STATION.
SO WHEN THEY HAVE A GAS STATION AT A CONVENIENCE STORE, THEY'RE GAS STATIONS.
AND SO THE DRIVER'S, THE GASOLINE SETS, RIGHT.
BUT SO A NON NON-CON USE DOESN'T EXPIRE UNLESS THERE'S AN EVENT THAT MEETS SOME CRITERIA.
SO IF THEY'RE CONTINUING TO OPERATE AND, AND, AND THEY DON'T WANNA MAKE ANY CHANGES, IT CAN BE THERE FOREVER, RIGHT? YEP.
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BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH WOULD BE, THAT'S IT TO ADJOURN.THAT'S IT, RIGHT? WE DIDN'T, WE HAD NO ACTION ON THAT.
SHE HAS TO PUT AN AGENDA ITEM UP THERE.
MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADJOURN.