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[3. PUBLIC COMMENTS]
OF 2026. MY CONCERN IS THE RADICAL SHIFT FROM HAVING A PLAN TO HAVING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IS GOING TO BE MET WITH A LOT OF RESISTANCE. I CAN UNDERSTAND THERE MIGHT NEED TO BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PROGRAM, GIVEN THE CURRENT ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT, BUT TO SIMPLY OFFER THEM NOTHING I BELIEVE IS A MISTAKE.ONCE THAT STARTED, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO TURN IT AROUND.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S A WEEKDAY PASSHOLDER PROGRAM, THE PROPOSAL.
ALL OF US KNOW THAT YOUNG FAMILIES ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF ANY NEIGHBORHOOD'S GROWTH OPPORTUNITY, AND WITHOUT THEM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECOME STALE AND HOME HOME VALUES DECLINE.
TURNING QUAIL VALLEY INTO A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY IS PROBABLY NOT WHAT ANYONE HERE INTENDS, BUT SINCE IT WILL BE A MINIMUM OF FIVE MONTHS BEFORE A WEEKEND PASSHOLDER PROGRAM IS EVEN CONSIDERED, THAT'S ENOUGH TIME TO DO REAL DAMAGE. AND AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, TO TURN PEOPLE BACK AROUND ONCE THEY HAVE A NEW PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR IS DIFFICULT.
I BELIEVE NOT ONLY WILL IT DISCOURAGE NEW PEOPLE FROM MOVING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK IT WILL ENCOURAGE PEOPLE LIKE ME TO INVESTIGATE THE POSSIBILITY OF LIVING SOMEWHERE ELSE. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT A MOVE LIKE THIS COULD TURN INTO WHAT I WOULD CALL A TRANSIENT GOLF CLUB, MEANING CATERING TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE GOLF COURSE OR THE COMMUNITY.
MANY RESIDENTS CAN SHARE STORIES OF HORRIFIC BEHAVIORS THEY HAVE SEEN ON THE GOLF COURSE BY OUTSIDE EVENT PARTICIPANTS, FROM PUBLIC URINATION TO OUTBURSTS OF VULGARITY TO RENTAL CAR DAMAGE.
AND IF YOU THINK THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE IN THE TYPE OF GOLFERS YOU ATTRACT, YOU'RE SADLY MISTAKEN.
AND THESE ARE THE VERY PEOPLE WE ARE DISREGARDING.
THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME, MR. MAYOR. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. RECOGNIZING COUNCILMEMBER CLOUSER.
YES. THANK YOU, MISS HARDY, FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
JONES. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO BRING UP SERGIO IF NEEDED.
SO FOR THE EDUCATION OF THE PUBLIC AND FOR THE REST OF COUNCIL, ALTHOUGH I DO NOT SIT ON THE LGC COMMITTEE LIKE MY COLLEAGUES, ALTHOUGH I DO PLAY GOLF, MISS HARDY. IF IF WE CAN ALLOW SERGIO TO COME UP TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS THE WEEKEND DAY PASS HOW IT DIFFERS FROM THE DAY PASS WHERE WE MAY HE'S GOING TO ADDRESS THAT IN HIS PRESENTATION.
OKAY. SO IF WE COULD HEAR HIS PRESENTATION AND THEN IF THE QUESTION IS NOT ADDRESSED TO ME, PLEASE ASK IT AT THAT POINT. BUT HE'S HE'S WE WILL BE ADDRESSING THAT AS PART OF HIS PRESENTATION.
[(a) Consideration and Possible Action - A resolution adopting an amendment...]
POSSIBLE ACTION. A RESOLUTION ADOPTING AN AMENDMENT TO SCHEDULE OF FEES FOR THE USE OF COAL VALLEY GOLF CLUB BEGINNING JANUARY 1ST, 2026. WE HAVE A PRESENT PRESENTATION BY SERGIO SALAZAR, GENERAL MANAGER.YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING. HOW ARE YOU ALL DOING? GOOD EVENING. HOPE YOU ALL HAD A GOOD THANKSGIVING.
MY NAME IS SERGIO SALAZAR. I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER OF QUAIL VALLEY GOLF CLUB.
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AND I WAS TASKED WITH TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT PROFITABLE.AND I THINK THAT MY PROPOSAL GETS US ON A PATH IN THAT DIRECTION.
GROWING BUSINESS AND INVESTMENT IN MISSOURI CITY AND ALSO DEVELOPING A HIGH PERFORMANCE CITY TEAM.
OBVIOUSLY, THE OBJECTIVE IS FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE TO ENSURE THE LGC IS BREAK EVEN OR PRO OR OR PROFIT ENTITY, AND TO BE SUSTAINABLE WITHOUT RELIANCE ON THE GENERAL FUND.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A DISTINCTION HERE WITH WHAT'S BREAKING EVEN AND WHAT'S NOT HAVING RELIANCE ON GENERAL FUNDS IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE RELIANCE ON A GENERAL FUND MEANS WE ALSO HAVE TO START PUTTING MONEY AWAY IN A CAPITAL FUND TO DO THAT THROUGH PRIVATE PRIOR YEARS.
AS WE MAXIMIZE REVENUES, START BEING ABLE TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO THE CLUB TO ADDRESS THOSE DEFERRED THAT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE BEFORE IT BECOMES TOO DEFERRED, AND ALSO TO RAISE WAGES AS WE GO TO ELEVATE THE EXPERIENCE AND AND AGAIN, TO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PAY OUR STAFF COMPETITIVE WAGES.
THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT I'VE MADE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026, AND THAT IS FROM OCTOBER THROUGH SEPTEMBER.
IS THAT THE LA QUINTA GOLF COURSE WILL NOT BE FULLY OPEN UNTIL MAY OF 2026.
THE CLUBHOUSE WILL NOT BE OPEN UNTIL PROBABLY APPROXIMATELY MARCH OF 2026.
AS WE EVALUATED EVERYTHING OR AS I EVALUATED EVERYTHING GOING IN THE PAST, THERE'S ALWAYS AVAILABLE TEE TIMES AVAILABLE ON THE WEEKDAYS, EVEN WITH ONLY ONE GOLF COURSE. AND THAT'S WHAT LED TO PART OF MY DECISION MAKING AS WE WENT FORWARD.
AS FAR AS THE RATES. WE HAVE VERY LIMITED TEE TIMES ON THE WEEKENDS, EXTREMELY LIMITED TEE TIMES.
WE VERY RARELY HAVE ANY TEE TIMES THAT ARE OPEN BEFORE 12:00.
AS A PATTERN, EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT OBVIOUSLY THE WEATHER IS BAD.
IF YOU LOOK ON A TUESDAY, LOOK FOR FOR TEE TIME ON WEDNESDAY, THERE'S PLENTY OF AVAILABILITY WITH ONE GOLF COURSE ONE WEEK IN ADVANCE IS VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND ANY TEE TIMES BEFORE NOON, AND FOR THAT REASON WE HAVE TO CAPITALIZE ON THE WEEKENDS.
THE ENTIRE FACILITY NEEDS. WE NEED TO MAKE $5 MILLION IN ANNUAL REVENUE TO BE PROFITABLE.
THAT'S $5 MILLION BETWEEN THE GOLF COURSE AND THE CLUBHOUSE.
THAT EQUATES TO $14,000 A DAY. THAT IS VERY RARE THAT ON A WEEKDAY, EVEN WHEN WE HAD BOTH GOLF COURSES OPEN, EVEN WHEN THE CLUBHOUSE WAS OPEN, IT WAS VERY RARE THAT YOU WOULD BREAK MORE THAN $7,000 ON A WEEKDAY UNLESS YOU HAD AN EVENT.
THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO MAKE THAT MONEY ON THE WEEKEND.
IT IS YOUR BREAD AND BUTTER, JUST LIKE ANY RESTAURANT IS ON FRIDAY OR SATURDAY NIGHTS AND ARE.
THE GOLF COURSES ARE ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
ABOUT $30,000 A MONTH IN THE REMAINING FIVE MONTHS.
LOOKING FORWARD TO 2027 GOING ON THAT PATH. YOU CAN SEE THAT WE WILL MAKE $485,000 IN FORECAST FOR 2027, WHICH IS A $543,000 INCREASE FROM PRIOR YEAR.
THE RATES THAT WE HAD SPOKEN ABOUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO FOR THE WEEKDAYS, $38 FOR.
WE'LL GO UP. I'M SORRY. I'LL GO. SENIOR WEEKDAY WILL BE $33.
AND RESIDENTS WILL GET A $20 DISCOUNT OVER NONRESIDENTS, SO THERE IS A PREMIUM TO THE RESIDENTS.
TO ALL THE MISSOURI CITY RESIDENTS OF $20 ON THE WEEKENDS, WHEREAS IT'S ONLY $5 DURING THE WEEK.
THE PRICES ARE MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE ON THE WEEKDAYS BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM.
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WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM WITH ONE GOLF COURSE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE ROOM WITH TWO GOLF COURSES. THE ANNUAL PASSES, WHICH WERE SPOKEN ABOUT BRIEFLY, AND I'M GOING TO SKIP THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT QUICKLY BECAUSE AND I'LL COME BACK TO IT IF YOU ALL NEED THE RESIDENTS WILL BE $3,200 AND THE COUPLE $4,200, OBVIOUSLY. AND THE RESIDENTS HAS A BREAK OVER.THE NONRESIDENT SENIOR RESIDENTS ALSO ARE $2,600, $600 LESS THAN THE RESIDENTS.
THE GOLF CARTS, PRIVATE GOLF CARTS ARE THE TRAIL FEE WILL BE $900 FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO TRY TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS BECAUSE IT DOES GET CUMBERSOME TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT RATES.
IT WOULD COST $3,500 FOR THE YEAR, SO IT WOULD BE $2,600 FOR THE FOR THE WEEKDAY PASS FOR THE YEAR, PLUS $900 FOR THEIR PRIVATE CART. THAT EQUALS $3,500.
THE RESIDENTS WHO HAS A PRIVATE CART WOULD EQUAL $4,100 FOR THE YEAR, BASED ON TWO ROUNDS PER WEEK, WOULD BE ABOUT 104 ROUNDS A YEAR, BASED ON TWO ROUNDS PER WEEK.
A SENIOR RESIDENT WILL PAY SLIGHTLY LESS THAN $35 PER ROUND, VERSUS $53 IF THEY PAID AS THEY WENT.
OR SOMEBODY WHO'S A RESIDENT WHO DOESN'T PLAY AS OFTEN A RESIDENT WOULD PLAY SLIGHTLY PAY SLIGHTLY LESS THAN $41 PER ROUND VERSUS 58 A $9 PRIVATE CART. SO IF SOMEBODY CHOSE JUST TO GET THEIR PRIVATE CARTS, LIKE IF THEY WANTED TO PLAY ON THE WEEKENDS, THEIR PRIVATE CAR WOULD BE $900 FOR THEIR PRIVATE CAR BASED ON TWO ROUNDS PER PER WEEK.
THAT EQUALS $9 PER ROUND AS OPPOSED TO $20 IF THEY CHOSE TO USE ONE OF OUR GOLF CARTS.
WHILE THAT MAY SEEM HIGH, MOST PUBLIC GOLF COURSES DO NOT ALLOW PRIVATE CARTS ON THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY DO NOT ALLOW PRIVATE CARTS. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE NOT A PRIVATE CLUB, BUT MOST PRIVATE CLUBS IN THE AREA LIKE YOUR SUGAR CREEK SUGAR CREEK AND SWEETWATER, THEY, THEY CHARGE ABOUT $125 A MONTH EVERY PLACE I'VE BEEN.
OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A PRIVATE CLUB. THEY CHARGE ALSO ABOUT 110, $120 A MONTH.
VERY RARELY DO YOU HEAR OF A PUBLIC COURSE THAT LETS YOU USE YOUR PRIVATE CARTS.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET A WEEKDAY PASS. YOU CAN PAY AS YOU GO AS ANY OTHER PLACE.
AS FAR AS TOURNAMENT FEES THE TOURNAMENT FEES IS $500 DEPOSIT, AND THEN THE EL DORADO GOLF COURSE HAS A SLIGHTLY LOWER RATE THAN THE THAN THE LA QUINTA GOLF COURSE. THE REASON I CHOSE TO DO THAT WAS BECAUSE WITH THE NEW GOLF COURSE, I FELT THAT MORE PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO PLAY IT, AND I FELT THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO TRY TO DISSUADE GOLF TOURNAMENTS FROM PLAYING LA QUINTA SO WE CAN OPEN IT UP FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND FOR OPEN PLAY.
AS FAR AS MISCELLANEOUS FEES, GOLF CARTS, HALF OF A GOLF CART WOULD GO FROM $18 TO $20.
THE RANGE FEE WOULD GO UP $1 TO $8. THE CLUB RENTAL FEE AND THE HANDICAP FEE GEN FEE WOULD GO UP TO WOULD BE $40, WHICH IT IS CURRENTLY. THE ROOM MINIMUMS ARE MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.
WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF THEM. WE TRY TO KEEP IT AND BUY ROOM MINIMUM.
IF YOU WANT TO USE IT FOR A WEDDING, YOU HAVE TO SPEND A MINIMUM OF $7,000.
IT'S NOT $7,000 TO USE THAT ROOM. YOU DO THAT FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WOULD WANT A LARGER ROOM WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE.
YOU MIGHT HAVE 70 PEOPLE. WELL, IF YOU HAVE 70 PEOPLE AND YOU WANT THE MAGNOLIA ROOM, THAT'S GREAT.
FIGURE OUT A WAY TO SPEND $100 A PERSON. OTHERWISE YOU CAN MOVE INTO THE BLUEBONNET ROOM, AND THEN IF YOU HAVE A SMALLER GROUP OF 30 PEOPLE, THEN YOU CAN GO INTO THE AZALEA ROOM. SO THOSE ARE OUR ROOM MINIMUMS. TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ASKED BEFORE OUTSIDE SPECIALIZED CATERING WILL BE ALLOWED TO USE IT USING AN APPROVED VENDOR.
THE USE OF THE ROOM IS GOING TO BE FLAT 50% OF THE FOOD, FOOD AND BEVERAGE MINIMUM.
THAT'S FOR THE ROOM. FOR EXAMPLE, AGAIN, THE MAGNOLIA ROOM IF THEY WANT SATURDAY AND SUNDAY AFTER 5:00, THE MINIMUM IS $7,000. THEIR FEE WOULD BE 3500.
THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BRING IN THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW ICED TEA AND STUFF.
MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THE TEA TIME UTILIZATION.
WHEN BOTH THE GOLF COURSES ARE FULLY OPERATIONAL.
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WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE EVALUATING THE WEEKDAY PASS HOLDER VIABILITY GATHER CITIZEN FEEDBACK THROUGH THE LGC OPERATIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS GOING FORWARD.AND THEN THE STAFF WILL BRING FORTH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE LGC UPON COMPLETION.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS WHAT WAS SAID BEFORE.
THIS IS A STARTING POINT. ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS WE KEEP LOSING MONEY, AND YOU CAN'T KEEP LOSING MONEY AND KEEP DOING THE SAME THINGS AND THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE MONEY. I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT. I'VE MADE MONEY EVERY PLACE I'VE GONE.
AND WHAT I WOULD LOVE IS IN A COUPLE OF YEARS TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT, OKAY, QUAIL VALLEY, WE BROKE EVEN. WE'RE SAVING 4 OR $500,000 IN CAPITAL FUNDS EVERY YEAR.
AND THEN SO BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE OPERATIONAL EXPENSES IN 2 OR 3 YEARS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REDO THE BUNKERS ON THE EL DORADO GOLF COURSES.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS, 1.2 MILLION.
THAT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT $700,000. WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I WANT TO CREATE A PATH THAT THE CLUB CAN BREAK, EVEN WHILE MAKING A PLAN THAT WE CAN PUT 4 TO $500,000 AWAY IN A CAPITAL FUND SO THAT THAT WAY IN THREE YEARS WE HAVE $1.2 MILLION, I CAN COME UP TO THE COMMITTEE AND SAY, I'D LIKE TO USE THIS $1.2 MILLION TO GO TO THE BUNKER INSTEAD OF COMING TO CITY COUNCIL AND SAYING, HEY, WE NEED NEW BUNKERS. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN GET A 1.2 MILLION OUT OF GENERAL FUND? I'M TRYING TO DO. WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS I'M TRYING TO ELEVATE THE EXPERIENCE, ELEVATE THE GOLF CLUB.
AND IN ORDER TO DO SO, YOU HAVE TO RAISE REVENUES.
WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE AND WE AND I WAS INTERVIEWED, I WAS LIKE, LOOK, YOUR PRICING IS WAY TOO LOW.
I AM NOT TOO PROUD. IN MY PRIVATE WORLD, WHERE I WAS MANAGING PRIVATE CLUBS FOR A MANAGEMENT COMPANY, YOU CHANGED ALL THE TIME. YOU CHANGED EVERY TWO MONTHS ECONOMY THINGS.
IF YOU SEE SOMETHING'S NOT WORKING, I AM NOT GOING TO BE TOO PROUD TO COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, I THINK WE NEED TO REESTABLISH SOMETHING. I THINK WE NEED TO GO A DIFFERENT ROUTE.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW. NO. I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE PATH THAT WE NEED TO GO FORWARD.
AND ONE LAST THING I UNDERSTAND. I'VE BEEN IN MULTIPLE CLUBS, AND I UNDERSTAND THE PASSION OF EVERY PERSON WHO'S A MEMBER OR LIVES IN A FACILITY, I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO WHEN YOU'RE EVALUATING THE SITUATIONS, IF YOU WANT TO COME AND YOU WANT TO GET A ROOM FOR $500, I WANT TO DO THAT, BUT I CAN'T. YOU HAVE TO LEAD.
YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO THINK WITH YOUR HEAD, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HEART. AND I'M TRYING TO DO THAT. I'M TRYING TO GET THE CLUB TO A PLACE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER. CLOUSER. YES. SERGIO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
AND I WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE YOUR EXPERTISE, YOUR KNOWLEDGE, AND YOUR EXPERIENCE IN TURNING GOLF COURSES PROFITABLE AND ALSO YOUR PLAN TO RAISE REVENUES THAT ARE FAIR.
NOT EVERYBODY, LET'S BE HONEST. NOT EVERYBODY IN THE CITY PLAYS GOLF, BUT EVERYBODY IN THE CITY CONTRIBUTES TO THE GOLF COURSE, AND WE OWE IT TO OUR TAXPAYING RESIDENTS, WHETHER THEY PLAY GOLF OR NOT.
PARSONS. MISS HARDY BROUGHT THAT UP. I'M ASSUMING THESE THESE PASSES, THEY'RE ANNUAL PASSES, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. IF YOU THINK ABOUT LET'S THINK ABOUT LAST YEAR.
YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THIS QUESTION OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, BUT HOW MANY WEEKDAY PASS HOLDERS DID WE HAVE AND HOW MANY WEEKEND PASS HOLDERS DID WE HAVE? IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY IT WASN'T FIRST. FIRST OF ALL, THERE WASN'T ANY LAST YEAR.
BUT LAST YEAR. YOU MEAN NOT THIS YEAR? THE LAST TIME THAT THAT WE THE LAST.
THE LAST TIME THAT THERE WERE PASS HOLDERS, THERE WERE APPROXIMATELY 150 TOTAL PASSHOLDERS.
BUT THERE WERE THERE WERE 30 SOMETHING DIFFERENT TYPES.
SO IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN INDIVIDUAL RESIDENCE.
IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A WEEKDAY, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A WEEKEND. IT MIGHT HAVE.
SO OF THOSE WHO INCLUDED THE WEEKEND, I WOULD GUESS 7070 TO I WOULD GUESS 70 TO 90.
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MAYBE 170 TO 100, I WOULD SAY A 70 TO 100. IT'S GOING TO FALL SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA.OKAY. AND SO WE ARE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE ARE WE ARE NOT ELIMINATING THIS PROGRAM.
WE ARE JUST PAUSING IT TO EVALUATE, TO SEE IF IT IS GOING TO BE PROFITABLE TO CONTINUE THIS.
RIGHT? YES. OKAY. SO WE ARE WE ARE PAUSING FOR REEVALUATION.
SOME OF THEM DO. SOME OF THEM DO. SO I WOULD SAY STANDARD I WOULD SAY MORE DON'T THAN DO.
OKAY. SO IT'S NOT A STANDARD OKAY. NO IT'S NOT OKAY.
AND FROM THE WEEKDAY OR THE WEEKEND PASS THAT ENTITLES GOLFERS TO BE ABLE TO TELL ME WHAT THE WEEKEND PASS WILL OFFER VERSUS SOMEONE THAT IS JUST GOING IN TO SAY, HEY, I WANT A TEE TIME AT 10:00 ON A SATURDAY.
SO THEY COULD PLAY IN THOSE, THOSE SLOTS. THEY COULD PLAY.
THEY CAN PLAY FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY ANYTIME THEY WANT, ANYTIME THAT THEY WANT.
OKAY. AND ONE AND ONE IMPORTANT DISTINCTION BETWEEN A PRIVATE CLUB AND A PUBLIC GOLF COURSE IS THAT THERE ARE MANY PRIVATE MEMBERS WHO PLAY GOLF, WHO WHO WILL DO SO AND DON'T PLAY GOLF THAT MUCH.
THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO REALLY GET A PASS AT A PASS HOLDER, OR SOMEBODY WHO IS SOMEBODY WHO SEES A VALUE IN IT AND IS IS GETTING A GOOD DEAL OFF OF IT. YES, YES. OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO SAY THAT I RESPECT AND I COMPLETELY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE ARE WE ARE GETTING FEEDBACK FROM OUR RESIDENTS AND WE ARE REEVALUATING.
WE'RE NOT SAYING NO, BUT WE ARE REEVALUATING, AND I BELIEVE THAT IS IMPORTANT.
AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT YOU TO DO. I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR ALL OF US HERE.
WE NEED FOR THIS GOLF COURSE TO TO BE AT A BREAK EVEN POINT AND EVENTUALLY TURN PROFITABLE.
AND ESPECIALLY WITH YOUR WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO THE TAXPAYERS AND ASK FOR MORE MONEY THROUGH A BOND.
AND SO WE'VE GOT TO PREPARE OURSELVES FOR THAT.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID THANK YOU. YOU HAVE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS AND I YIELD.
THANK YOU. RECOGNIZING COUNCIL MEMBER RILEY. THANK YOU MAYOR.
THANK YOU, SERGIO, FOR THE BREAKDOWN. I HAD A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE WEEKEND PASS.
AND THEN I ALSO HAVE ONE CONCERNING THE WEEKDAY PASS.
WHAT? WHAT WOULD BE THE COST? TO OFFER A WEEKEND PASS.
WHAT TYPE OF REVENUE WOULD THAT BRING US? IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE TAKE IT.
SO IF YOU HAVE 150 SLOTS THAT YOU CAN SELL FOR $80, AND THEN NOW YOU ONLY HAVE 150 SLOTS, SO YOU CAN SAY YOU ONLY HAVE ABOUT 80 SLOTS THAT YOU CAN SELL FOR THAT AMOUNT BECAUSE.
SO IT'S HARD IT'S HARD TO SAY WITHOUT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.
IT'S IT'S TO ME, IT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE TO OFFER A PROGRAM THAT THE MORE PEOPLE YOU GET WHO DO IT, THE MORE MONEY YOU WIND UP LOSING. IN A WAY YOU GET THAT MONEY.
I MEAN, YOU'RE GUARANTEED THAT MONEY, BUT YOU ALSO MAY LOSE THAT MONEY BECAUSE INSTEAD OF GETTING CURRENTLY OUR RATES ARE $79, IN THE PAST, HOLDERS ARE PAYING 45. IF YOU GET 30, PEOPLE WERE PAYING $45, WELL, THAT'S GOOD, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S BAD WEATHER. BUT IF YOU GET 30 PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T PLAY AND 30 PEOPLE DID PLAY FOR 79, YOU'RE LOSING THE 79 MINUS THE 45. BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MATH EQUATION AND A LOT OF IT IS A GUESSING GAME.
THERE'S NOTHING THERE'S THERE'S NOTHING CONCRETE ABOUT THIS.
YOU USE YOUR BEST GUESS, YOU USE YOUR BEST JUDGMENTS ON WHAT YOU KNOW IN THE PAST.
BUT AS I SAID, OUR WEEKENDS ARE PACKED. WE'RE MAKING OUR MONEY ON THE WEEKENDS.
SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. WE NEVER HAVE A PROBLEM BEING FULL.
IT'S THE WEEKDAYS. WEEKDAYS. WE COULD LOWER THE PRICE.
I MEAN, THANK YOU. AND THE ANSWER? ONE OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS.
IN YOUR IN YOUR RESPONSE. AND SO MY OTHER QUESTION IS BECAUSE I'M NOT A GOLFER, BUT I DEFINITELY RESPECT THE, THE, THE ATHLETIC ASPECT OF IT. WHAT ARE. WITH US HAVING ONLY ONE COURSE RIGHT NOW, WOULD YOU HAVE THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS IF BOTH OF THEM WERE IN OPERATIONAL RIGHT NOW? IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE USAGE. OKAY. THAT'S WHY I SAID IF IF BOTH GOLF COURSES, IF YOU OPEN THE SECOND GOLF COURSE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET DOUBLE THE REVENUE. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY EXTRA REVENUE ON A WEEKDAY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW NOBODY'S
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REALLY PLAYING. OKAY. BUT BUT YOU ARE GOING TO GET A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.IT ALL DEPENDS. AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO EVALUATE IT.
ONCE THEY'RE BOTH OPEN, YOU SEE HOW MUCH PLAY YOU GET.
AND THEN YOU CAN EVALUATE WHETHER IT'S WORTH IT.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT COME INTO MAKING A TEE TIME.
IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN YOU IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN YOU GO TO A RESTAURANT, IF YOU HAVE YOUR FAVORITE RESTAURANT, BUT YOU WANT TO GO THERE AT 630, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AVAILABLE UNTIL EIGHT.
WELL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO THERE BECAUSE YOU'LL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. THE SAME THING GOES WITH TEE TIMES. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY A 9:00, OR IF YOU WANT TO PLAY AT 730 BECAUSE YOU HAVE A WEDDING TO GO TO, BUT YOUR EARLIEST TEE TIME IS 11:00, YOU'RE GOING TO GO PLAY ANOTHER CLUB, EVEN IF IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WILL SAY IS THAT DURING THE WEEK, PEOPLE PLAY MORE ON PROXIMITY, AND ON THE WEEKEND THEY PLAY MORE ON PLAYABILITY.
BUT IF WE HAVE A GROUP THAT PLAYS FOUR GUYS ON A SATURDAY, IT'S OKAY FOR US TO DRIVE AWAY, DRIVE 45 MINUTES TO PLAY A GOLF COURSE IF WE GET THE RIGHT TEE TIME.
OKAY. AND ONCE AGAIN, YOU ANSWERED ONE OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS IN YOUR RESPONSE.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND VALUE WHAT THE RESIDENTS CONCERNS ARE IN REGARDS TO THAT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY LIVE THERE, BUT ALSO KEEPING THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE AND WHY YOU'VE KIND OF MADE YOUR DECISION.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS THE ANNUAL WEEK DAY PASS.
I NOTICED THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN THE COUPLE'S RATE AND AGAIN, I DO NOT PLAY GOLF.
SO FOR THOSE OF US THAT DON'T PLAY GOLF, I WANT TO JUST UNDERSTAND THE MATH ON THIS ONE.
SO CAN YOU KIND OF HELP ME UNDERSTAND? IT'S RARE THAT BOTH PEOPLE, WHEN THERE'S TWO, WHEN THERE'S A COUPLE, IT'S RARE. IT'S IT'S SOMETIMES. BUT IT'S RARE THAT THE TWO PLAY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO IN A WAY THERE IS LESS PLAY IF YOU DIVIDE IT BY TWO.
SO YOU JUST SORT OF THROW IT IN THERE. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT WAS I'M LIKE, I'M LOOKING AT TWO PEOPLE AT $6,400 VERSUS I MEAN, IT'S BENEFICIAL TO THE GOLFER AT 4200, BUT ARE WE GOING TO LOSE ANYTHING YOU KNOW AT THAT? IS THAT A PRETTY COMMON RATE? NO, NOTHING'S REALLY COMMON.
I MEAN, WHEN IT COMES TO THAT KIND OF THING, PRIVATE CLUBS CHARGE PER FAMILY.
OKAY. AND THEN SO WHEN YOU GO INTO THE PASSES, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S NOT THAT MANY THAT I KNOW OF WITH THE PRIVATE PASS HOLDER, BUT IT IS IT'S NEVER DOUBLE. IT'S USUALLY JUST A BUMP UP.
WHICH LEADS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION. WITH THE RATES THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING, ARE THESE IN LINE WITH OTHER PUBLIC GOLF COURSES OR OTHER PRIVATE GOLF COURSES? WELL, WE DON'T WE DON'T COMPETE AGAINST THE PRIVATE GOLF COURSES, BUT THEY'RE IN LINE, I THINK, COMPETITIVELY WITH WHERE WE'RE AT. THERE'S TWO GOLF COURSES.
I WON'T NAME THEIR NAMES THAT CHARGE LESS, BUT WE'RE BETTER.
OKAY. I MEAN, WE'RE BETTER. AND A LOT OF IT ALSO HAS TO DO WITH PROXIMITY.
THERE'S A GOLF COURSE UP NORTH. I MEAN, THAT'S I DON'T THINK THEIR GOLF COURSES ARE ANY BETTER THAN OURS, BUT THEY'RE CLOSE TO HOUSTON, SO THEY GET A PREMIUM BECAUSE OF THE BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY'RE WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED.
BUT IT'S FAIR. IT'S VERY FAIR. AGAIN, WE'RE WE'RE ON THE WEEKENDS.
WE'RE GOING FROM 79 TO 88. AND WE BOOK UP AT 79 ALL THE TIME.
SO GOING UP TO 88 IS NOT GOING TO BE A STRETCH AT ALL.
NOW WHEN WE OPEN THAT SECOND GOLF COURSE, WILL WE WILL WE BOOK ALL THOSE TIMES? I DON'T KNOW, I THINK WE WILL. WELL, YOU'VE DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB WITH TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, EVALUATE AND ASSESS WHAT THIS COURSE ACTUALLY NEEDS, WHAT THE YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE GOLF CLUB ACTUALLY NEEDS TO TURN IT AROUND BECAUSE TO COUNCIL MEMBER POINT, THE RESIDENTS, WHETHER THEY PLAY GOLF OR NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A FACILITY AND AN AMENITY, YOU KNOW, HERE IN OUR CITY THAT WE DEFINITELY WANT IT TO THRIVE AND TO BE PROFITABLE.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSES ON THIS. AND MY LAST QUESTION IS REGARDS TO THE THE BALLROOMS THE RATES YOU MENTIONED ON THERE, THE OUTSIDE CATERING WOULD BE A 50% FEE. DOES THAT MEAN IF THEY'RE WANTING TO RENT THE MAGNOLIA AFTER 5:00,
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THAT'S A $7,000 BID? BUT IF THEY'RE BRINGING OUTSIDE CATERING, IS THEIR ONLY COST GOING TO BE THE 3500? YES, IF THAT'S ALL THEY NEED. I MEAN, IF THEY HAVE TO GET ANY KIND OF LIQUOR FROM US.BUT YES, THAT WOULD BE A FLAT FEE OF $3,500. IT WOULD INCLUDE BASICALLY TABLES, CHAIRS, NO LINENS, NO CHAIR COVERS. THEY CAN'T HAVE USE OF OUR KITCHEN.
THAT BECOMES A LIABILITY. THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THEIR OWN INSURANCE AND NAME US AS A SELF-INSURED.
THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE THE FOOD PERMITS. SO THOSE ARE THE STIPULATIONS THAT WE WOULD PUT IN PLACE.
OKAY. MY OTHER QUESTION I LOVE HOW YOU JUST ANSWERING ALL MY QUESTIONS.
WELL, THANKS. WE'RE LIKE RIGHT HERE. I APPRECIATE.
AND SO WITH THAT YOU SAID IT DOESN'T INCLUDE LINEN.
CORRECT. YES. SO DOES THAT WOULD THEY, IF THEY WANTED WAIT STAFF, OUR WAIT STAFF, WOULD THAT BE ADDITIONAL AN ADDITIONAL COST? OKAY. WELL, THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU, MAYOR SERGIO. VERY GOOD JOB. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THOSE LAST I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MONTHS WE ALL SAT AND WORKED TOGETHER.
YOU, YOU AND COUNCIL MEMBER EMERY AND MYSELF.
WE LEARNED REALLY QUICKLY AND REAL FAST THAT WE WANTED THIS PLACE TO BE PROFITABLE.
AND DURING OUR BUDGET TIME, WE KEPT SITTING HERE AND I KEPT SAYING, WAIT TILL YOU SEE THE LGC.
WAIT TILL YOU SEE THE LGC. WELL, THE LGC IS HERE AND I'M REALLY, REALLY PROUD OF IT.
SO A COUPLE OF COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT I WANT TO MAKE.
SO THAT WOULD TAKE A PERSON ABOUT 97 TIMES A YEAR TO PLAY.
DO YOU FIND THAT ON AVERAGE, PEOPLE ACTUALLY PLAY THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT IS ALLOWED THROUGHOUT THE PASS? OH, THEY'LL PLAY AS MUCH AS THEY CAN, AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.
WELL, BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PLAY A FULL ROUND.
EVEN IF THEY WANT TO GO OUT FOR 4 OR 5 HOLES, THEY CAN DO THAT.
OKAY. I LIKE THAT. DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATED NUMBER OF PLAYERS WHO LIVE IN QUAIL VALLEY? WOULD BE A COMPLETE GUESS. GUS. HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW. YOU DON'T KNOW? OKAY.
AND THE ONE THING THAT STUCK OUT TO ME IS THAT LOOKING AT THE WEEKEND PASS FROM $75, MINUS THE $39, THAT'S A $36 DIP. AND IF WE HAVE ABOUT 35 PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, THAT WOULD DIP INTO OUR BASE OF ABOUT $66,000 PER YEAR.
BUT I UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU SAID THAT WE WOULD COME BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, ESPECIALLY ONCE WE GET BOTH GOLF CLUBS, BOTH GOLF COURSES OPEN, WHICH I'M GOING TO ASK YOU AT THIS TIME TO TALK TO COUNCIL.
ABSOLUTELY. TO SEE OUR TRAJECTORY, HOW WE'RE HOW OUR KPIS ARE LINING OUT.
ABSOLUTELY NO. AGAIN, THESE ARE YOUR BEST GUESSES, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO CATERING.
WE CAN ALWAYS PIVOT. I MEAN, THAT'S THE ESSENTIAL.
IT'S LIKE ANYTHING IF YOU'RE NOT SELLING OUT THOSE ROOMS ENOUGH, YOUR PRICES ARE TOO HIGH.
IF YOU'RE SELLING THEM OUT TOO MUCH, YOUR PRICES ARE TOO LOW. SAME THING GOES WITH THE GOLF COURSE.
OKAY. I MEAN, I USED TO HAVE A GUY WHO USED TO DO APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
HE'S LIKE, IF YOU'RE 100% CAPABILITY, YOUR PRICES ARE TOO CHEAP.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO EVALUATE EVERY MONTH.
AND WITH REGARDS TO THE FOOD, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT LETTING OUTSIDE VENDORS COME IN.
THAT'S WONDERFUL. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THIS ONE MORE TIME.
IT CANNOT BE A VENDOR THAT'S PROVIDING THE SAME FOOD THAT WE CAN PROVIDE.
IT HAS TO BE A VENDOR WHO PROVIDES SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT WE PROVIDE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. AND THEN BUT YOU WILL HAVE CERTAIN THINGS WHERE LIKE, SAY BARBECUE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO BARBECUE, BUT IF SOMEBODY HAS SOMEBODY THAT'S SPECIFIC TO BARBECUE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE CAN'T COMPETE WITH SOME BARBECUE PLACES, I GUESS.
I MEAN, WELL, I KNOW WE CAN, BUT I MEAN, IT IT'S IT'S HARD TO DISTINGUISH THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUSHI, INDIAN FOOD AND MEXICAN FOOD. OKAY, OKAY. AND THEN MY LAST COMMENT, MAYOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
RATHER, THEY LIVE IN QUAIL VALLEY OR THEY DON'T LIVE IN QUAIL VALLEY.
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WITH REGARDS TO IF THEY DISRESPECT THE COURSE, IF THEY ARE RELIEVING THEMSELVES ON THE COURSE, OR IF THEY'RE DESTROYING OUR GOLF CARTS. IT'S NOT A DEMERIT SYSTEM, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY A SYSTEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING A LITTLE BIT CLOSER AT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE BEGIN TO LOSE PRIVILEGES BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THEM TEARING IT UP AND DOING THINGS TO THAT NATURE.SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT MISS MISS HOLLY UNDERSTOOD THAT, THAT WE DO CARE TOO, ABOUT THAT, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND WE'RE LOOKING TO ADDRESS THEM. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. RECOGNIZING COUNCIL MEMBER EMERY. THANK SERGIO.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT YOU AND A NUMBER OF ASSOCIATES OF REALLY WORKED HARD ON PUTTING THIS ALL TOGETHER AND LOOKING AT WHAT'S AVAILABLE YOU KNOW, FROM A COMPETITIVE STANDPOINT.
SO. THE QUESTIONS I HAVE ARE SOME OF THEM DON'T YOU DIDN'T TOUCH ON, BUT I WANT TO TOUCH ON THEM BECAUSE I THINK IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT AS QUESTIONS THAT I'VE HEARD.
NUMBER ONE IS WE YOU KNOW, WE STARTED OUT WITH THE NO CASH POLICY.
AND WHAT WE FOUND, I THINK, IS THAT NO CASH REALLY DETRACTS FROM PEOPLE USING OUR FACILITIES, ESPECIALLY FOR THE THE BEVERAGE CARTS FOOD AND BEVERAGE AREA AND SOME OTHER AREAS.
BUT SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, AND MAYBE I CAN GET THE CITY MANAGER TO, TO CONFIRM THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO TO A CASH AND CREDIT CARD BASIS AS AND IT'S IMMINENT. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT.
WE'LL WE'LL SET SOME FAIRLY AGGRESSIVE PLANS TO GET THERE.
THAT'S. EXCUSE ME. THAT'S CORRECT. WE WILL BE ROLLING THAT OUT PRETTY SOON.
I HAVE THE POLICY IN FRONT OF ME TO REVIEW, AND AS SOON AS I REVIEW IT, THEN WE CAN CREATE AN IMPLEMENTATION DATE FOR WHEN TO ROLL THAT OUT. OKAY. THE OTHER WE TOUCHED A LITTLE BIT ON IS AND WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT WAS THE ABILITY TO TAKE A LOOK ONCE WE GET BOTH THE EL DORADO AND THE LA QUINTA COURTS UP AND RUNNING WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME TIME, AND WE'LL TAKE THE TIME TO SEE HOW WE'RE DOING FROM A STANDPOINT OF WEEKDAY PASS.
OR SHOULD WE CONSIDER A WEEKEND PASS ALSO? THERE'S SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A PERIOD OF EVALUATION.
SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'LL NEVER HAVE A WEEKEND PASS.
IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? THAT'S CORRECT. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY.
SO AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON IT. WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING LA QUINTA, LA QUINTA ON WHAT, THE SECOND, FIRST OF THE SECOND QUARTER SOMEWHERE.
IT'S ALL WEATHER DEPENDENT. TWO WEEKS AGO, I WOULD HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS NEXT WEEK, WHETHER IT'S HELPING OUR GRASS, SO. ABSOLUTELY.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THAT'S A THAT'S A FACTOR.
THE OTHER THING IS SOMEONE TOUCHED ON THE THE THE PRIVATE PARTS AND MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE ADHERING TO SOME STANDARDS. WE'RE GOING TO BE SETTING STANDARDS FOR PRIVATE CARTS THAT ARE ON THE COURSE.
YES, SIR. THEY'LL HAVE. AND AS I UNDERSTAND, WE'LL WANT THEM TO BE INSPECTED.
THERE'LL BE A SERIES OF OF RULES THAT WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOTORIOUS FOR A LOT OF OR SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TO DRIVE THEIR GOLF CARTS, PRIVATE GOLF CARTS, ALL THE WAY UP TO TO THE GREEN YOU KNOW, AND THAT CREATES PROBLEMS AND DAMAGE TO THE COURSE.
SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING YOU'VE GOT A PROGRAM THAT YOU'LL BE IMPLEMENTING THAT WILL ALLOW US TO TRACK THOSE TYPES OF OF, OF HABITS THAT SOME PEOPLE I USE AND ARE DETRIMENTAL TO THE GOLF COURSE? YES, JUST TO TOUCH ON THAT. IF THIS IS APPROVED ONLY PRIVATE, ONLY PRIVATE CARS THAT ARE REGISTERED AND PAID FOR WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THE GOLF COURSE.
THEY WILL SIGN A ONE PAGE CONTRACT THAT STATES THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES.
AND WHAT THIS WILL DO IS WE'LL GIVE EVERYBODY A STICKER, WE'LL INSPECT THEIR CART.
REPORT THAT NUMBER TO ME. NUMBER 181. I CAN LOOK IT UP.
IT'LL BE CLOSER. THEN I CAN SEND HER AN EMAIL, AND IT'LL BE A LOT EASIER TO FOLLOW UP AND TO.
YEAH. AND TO TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT IT. AND I THINK WITH THE PRICING WITH PRIVATE CARTS, YOU KNOW YOU ONLY HAVE TO PLAY ONE, YOU KNOW, ONCE OR TWO TIMES A WEEK AND YOU'LL MORE THAN PAY FOR THE ANNUAL FEE AS OPPOSED TO A $20 GOLF CART.
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RIGHT. RENTAL FEE. SO AND PLUS, IT GIVES THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE PRIVATE GOLF CARTS NOW THE, THE SAME CAPABILITY THEY HAVE OF BEING ABLE TO STORE THEIR CARTS IN THEIR GARAGES, THEIR CLUBS.SO IT'S A CONVENIENCE FACTOR. YES IT IS. SO I THINK THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S IMPORTANT.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, CAN YOU PUT UP THE BRING BACK THE SLIDE WITH THE WITH THE PRICING? YEAH. NO. BACK ONE RIGHT THERE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IS WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SENIOR RATES AND NON SENIOR RATES, RIGHT. SO WE FEEL THAT WE WANT TO GIVE OUR SENIORS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPERIENCE SOME SOME COST REDUCTION AS FAR AS WHAT IT COSTS TO.
AND AND IT'S THE SAME WITH WE'RE GIVING A BREAK TO OUR, RESIDENTS AS OPPOSED TO OUR NONRESIDENTS.
EXACTLY. BECAUSE I THINK THE FEELING HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE RESIDENT.
AND THAT'S ALL MISSOURI CITY. THAT'S JUST NOT QUAIL VALLEY, THAT'S ALL MISSOURI CITY.
SO WE FELT THAT WAS ONE WAY OF GIVING BACK A LITTLE BIT FOR THEIR ACCEPTANCE AND WILLINGNESS TO TO FUND THE AND APPROVE THE BONDS THAT FUNDED THIS.
SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CASH. OKAY. AND AGAIN, YOU SAY THE GOAL IS TO NOT JUST BREAK EVEN, BUT TO ACCRUE SOME PROFIT.
WE WILL BE SELF-SUSTAINABLE IN TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS.
AND THE GOAL THERE IS SO THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DEVELOP A RESERVE THAT WE CAN USE TO DO SOME THINGS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THE GOLF COURSES WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, HEY, I NEED $100,000 TO DO MY SAND TRAPS.
SELF-SUSTAINING IS NOT BREAKING EVEN. SELF-SUSTAINING IS SAVING MONEY FOR YOUR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.
THAT'S SELF-SUSTAINING. OKAY, SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A GOAL TO TRY TO BREAK EVEN, BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE WANT THIS TO BE A TO TO BE A MONEY MAKER AND TO SUPPORT ITSELF.
SO RATHER THAN COMING BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR MONEY OUT OF THE THE RESERVES IS THERE.
I KNOW YOU WENT THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO TO CONVEY TO? THE ONLY THING I'D LIKE TO CONVEY IS I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY WHO LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEIR PASSION FOR THEIR CLUB AND FOR THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THAT.
MY WHAT I WAS ASKED TO DO IS TO TRY TO CREATE A PLAN THAT THE THAT THE CLUB CAN BE SELF-SUSTAINING.
SO SO THAT SOMEBODY IN MISSOURI CITY DOESN'T FEEL THAT THEY ARE SUBSIDIZING FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE THING. SO MY JOB IS TO BE A GOOD STEWARD.
AND SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE HARD DECISIONS.
I WANT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE A CLUB THAT EVERYBODY CAN BE PROUD OF.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT. OKAY. AND I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS ASKED, ARE WE IS THIS FEE SCHEDULE GOING TO BE COMPETITIVE? I'M TALKING ABOUT GOLF NOW GOING TO BE COMPETITIVE WITH SOME OF THE COMPETITION.
IT IS VERY COMPETITIVE. YES. YEAH. AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE RATES THAT WE'RE CHARGING NOW FOR THE WEEKENDS, WHAT, 78, 79, $79. WE'RE STILL DOING REAL WELL ON THE WEEKENDS.
WE FILL UP AS FAR AS BRINGING IN REVENUE. YES.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE WEREN'T BRINGING IN THAT TYPE OF REVENUE, WE WOULD BE OVERPRICED.
SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO STAY WITHIN THE POINT THAT WE'RE COMPETITIVE WITH THE THE PEOPLE AROUND US OR THE BUSINESSES AROUND US.
YES, SIR. OKAY. I'M SURE THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT I WANTED TO
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ASK ABOUT. LET ME LEAVE IT AT THAT. AND SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU AND THANK THE STAFF FOR WORKING AND PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. I KNOW IT'S AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD SOME FEEDBACK FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTS. AND WE'RE I WOULD SAY WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO LISTEN TO THINGS TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE MIGHT HAVE OVERLOOKED THAT PEOPLE WOULD ASK US TO TO CONSIDER.YES. OKAY. WITH THAT? THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU.
SERGIO, I'M NOT A GOLFER. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU SAY WEEKEND PASS.
SO YOU HAVE TOURNAMENTS GOING ON, YOU HAVE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS GOING ON.
SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WEEKEND PASS, THAT'S WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.
THAT'S PEOPLE WHO ARE IT'S A WEEKEND. WEEKEND PASSES.
AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THAT, AS I SAID, IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE ONE GOLF COURSE, WHEN YOU DO HAVE AN OUTSIDE TOURNAMENT, ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE WEEKEND PASSES ARE ALSO VERY UPSET BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT HAVING ACCESS TO WHAT THEY FEEL THEY'VE ALREADY PAID FOR, WHICH GIVES YOU A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY. ONCE YOU HAVE TWO GOLF COURSES.
SO WILL YOU LOOK AT REVISIT THIS WHEN YOU GET THE LA QUINTA GOLF COURSE OPEN UP AGAIN? ABSOLUTELY. SO RIGHT NOW YOU YOU'RE BEFORE THE BOARD ASKING FOR TO SET THIS PRICING NOW FOR REALLY EL DORADO.
CORRECT. AND FOR LA QUINTA AS WELL. YES, SIR.
BUT YOU'LL COME BACK AND READ ONCE THAT COURSE IS OPEN YOU COME BACK AND RELOOK.
YES. AFTER ABOUT SIX WEEKS, WE'LL HAVE A GOOD INDICATION OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
OKAY. AND WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE BIGGEST PUSHBACK? I KNOW THERE'S A COMMITTEE THAT MET WITH THE WEEKEND PASSES.
WHAT'S BEEN NO NO ACCESS TO THE WEEKEND PASS.
OKAY. IS THIS MORE MORE SO FOR PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR IS IT OUTSIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR.
WELL, I WOULD SAY STEP IN. I WOULD SAY 90%, I WOULD GUESS.
WHEN PEOPLE WORK, THEY CAN'T UTILIZE THE PAST.
AND ONCE BOTH COURSES ARE OPEN, IF IT AFFORDS US THAT OPTION, WE WILL CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO YOU KNOW, SEGREGATE THOSE THAT WORK AND NOT GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. I JUST HAVE SOME COMMENTS.
I KNOW THAT ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT WAS THAT'S ON THIS DAIS, INCLUDING THE APPOINTED OFFICIALS.
WHEN THIS ALL STARTED WAS COUNCIL MEMBER, EMERY AND MYSELF.
SO THE REASON WE GOT INTO THE GOLF COURSE BUSINESS WAS THE FACT THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, THAT GOLF COURSE WAS GOING TO BE SOLD OUT, AND THEN THERE WERE GOING TO BE APARTMENTS. AND THINGS OF THAT TYPE OF NATURE WAS THE REASON WHY I BELIEVE AT THAT TIME, THE CITY COUNCIL PUT THE BOND OUT THERE.
AND FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE AND, AND PURCHASE THIS GOLF COURSE AND ALL THAT.
AND I REMEMBER CLEARLY TO CITY MANAGER WHO JOINED US IN 2022, AND THEN YOU JOINED US IN 25 EARLIER THIS YEAR, IS THE FACT THAT IT WAS THE BOND WAS FOR $17.5 MILLION.
BY THE TIME WE WERE DONE WITH THE COURSE PURCHASES, THE GOLF COURSE AND THE CITY CENTER.
AND THEN THE RECREATIONAL CENTER, IT WAS BEYOND $17.5 MILLION.
I WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT AMOUNT IS UNLESS BERTHA COULD GO FIND IT SOMEWHERE.
BUT THAT'S OKAY. BUT SINCE THEN. SINCE THEN, WE NOW WITH HURRICANE BARREL.
HOW MUCH MONEY DID WE CITY MANAGER WE ALLOCATED FOR THIS THIS FIX THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
$7 MILLION. $7 MILLION. AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE RENOVATION ITSELF? OH, THAT'S ALL INCLUDED IN THERE. SO I WOULD SAY SO THAT'S REALLY YOUR COST.
WHAT'S THAT MEAN? WHAT'S THAT MEAN? SHASHI, YOU SAYING HI? 7 MILLION FOR THE GOLF COURSE AND APPROXIMATELY 5 MILLION FOR THE BUILDING.
OKAY, CORRECT. OKAY. RIGHT. AND WE DID THAT BECAUSE OF THE COURSE NEEDED TO BE UPGRADED.
AND WE HAD ISSUES IN THERE AND WE PUT THAT. SO I GUESS MY THE REASON I'M TRYING TO MAKE THIS POINT, CITY MANAGER, IS THAT THE TAXPAYERS OF THIS CITY HAS BEEN FOOTING THIS BILL ALL THIS TIME.
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RIGHT. SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE HERE. GLAD THAT YOU'RE LOOKING INTO THIS OPERATION.I THINK NUMEROUS COUNCIL HAVE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT AT LEAST BREAKING IT EVEN.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND I GET IT, GOLF COURSE. WE'RE A MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE.
WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY, BUT AT LEAST BREAK IT.
EVEN SO, WHERE WE'RE NOT CONTRIBUTING THINGS TO IT.
I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT. AT LEAST YOU GET SOME SAVINGS OUT OF THIS, OR WHATEVER IT IS, THAT YOU CAN PUT SOME MONEY ON THE SIDE FOR THINGS AS BATHROOMS THAT COMES UP CONSTANTLY, AND PATHWAYS AND THEN DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU KNOW, THAT REQUIRES FOR US TO FIX THIS. SO I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE THE WHOLE GOLF COURSE, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY IT REALLY DIVIDED THE CITY. IT DIVIDED THIS CITY.
LET'S BE OPEN AND HONEST. IT DIVIDED THIS CITY AND NO MORE.
I MEAN, I GET IT. IT RAINED ONE ONE SUMMER. IT RAINED MORE THAN EVER.
AND WE COULDN'T BREAK BREAK THE BUDGET. I MEAN, WE COULDN'T DO IT.
SO SITUATIONS HAPPENS THAT WAY WHERE THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
SO I THINK YOU HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE. I PERSONALLY DON'T PLAY GOLF, BUT BUT SEEING SOME OF THE OTHER GOLF COURSE RATES NOT SO MUCH A MUNICIPAL, BUT SEEING, I STILL THINK THESE RATES ARE LOWER.
BUT I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE THAT NOW. AND IT'S NOT THE POINT TO MAKE IT, BUT I THINK IF YOU HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE AND IF YOU THINK AS A GENERAL MANAGER OF THIS COURSE YOUR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND THEN THE ADMINISTRATOR AND GIVE US A PLAN AS TO IF IT'S MAKING MONEY OR IF IT'S NOT MAKING MONEY. AND IF IT'S NOT, THEN WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO AS A BOARD TO GET US THERE, TO GET THE CITIZENS AND GET YOU GUYS TO BE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE? SO I APPRECIATE THAT. AND, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
CONTINUE TO DO WHAT YOU NEEDED TO DO, ESPECIALLY WITH THE MENUS.
AND I KNOW THE RESTAURANTS THAT YOU WANT TO RELOOK AT ALL OF THIS.
AND I WANT TO THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL COUNCIL COMMITTEE FOR DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND WORKING WITH THE, THE GENERAL MANAGER AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER AND LOOKING AT THESE AND SPENDING MORE TIME.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU RECOGNIZING COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON.
THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU, SERGIO, SO MUCH. I ONLY HAVE ONE THING.
ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN GREAT. I'M LOOKING AT THE SCHEDULE OF FEES FOR THE CLUB, FOR THE ADULTS, SENIORS, ACTIVE MILITARY AND JUNIORS. I DON'T SEE FEES SET FOR VETERANS.
I'M GOING TO SPEAK UP FOR THE VETERANS AS BEING A VETERAN. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS FOR VETERANS THAT USUALLY WHEN IT'S ACTIVE MILITARY, WE'RE NOT INCLUDED. YEAH, WE'RE NOT INCLUDED.
SO WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. THE COUNCIL HAS FULL RIGHTS TO DO THAT.
RIGHT. THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY QUESTION ABOUT THE VETERANS RATE, BECAUSE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE SCHEDULE OF FEES IN OUR LAST MEETING WITH YOU WE TALKED ABOUT, I MENTIONED SENIOR RATES, VETERANS AND ACTIVE MILITARY.
I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THAT.
IF IF IF THE BOARD DECIDES THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO GO WITH, ADDING IN THE VETERANS, WHICH IS WHAT I HIGHLY RECOMMEND. DO WE HAVE TO GO ONCE WE VOTE ON THIS? DO WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND VOTE AGAIN, OR CAN WE ADD THAT IN INTO THAT? WE COULD ADD IT, BUT WE WANT TO DO A COST ANALYSIS BECAUSE IF WE ONCE WE DO A COST ANALYSIS DETERMINE THE NUMBER THAT COULD BE IMPACTED BY IT, THEN WE MAY COME BACK AND SAY, THESE ARE THE RESULTS AND WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AT THIS TIME BECAUSE OF THIS, THIS AND THIS. SO WE REALLY DON'T NEED YOU TO DESIGNATE THAT AT THIS POINT.
WE WOULD TAKE IT TO INCLUDE VETERANS UNLESS THE NUMBERS BECOME COST PROHIBITIVE.
AND TO YOU. SERGIO, DO YOU GET A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR VETERANS DISCOUNTS OUTSIDE OF AROUND VETERANS DAY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR? DOES ANYONE ASK? I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M NOT IN THE PRO SHOP.
OKAY. I DON'T I REALLY WOULDN'T KNOW. I'D BE LYING IF I, I WOULDN'T KNOW.
OKAY. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS TO YOU, CITY MANAGER WITH THIS WEEKEND PASS.
WHEN IT COMES BACK UP, WHEN THE ANALYSIS HAS BEEN DONE, ONCE THE SECOND COURSE OPENS, WILL THE BOARD HAVE TO COME BACK AND VOTE ON THAT PARTICULAR ONE? YES. AGAIN, RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE RATES.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO PRESENT A RATE SCHEDULE FOR THE WEEKEND PASS.
OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SEE, NOBODY ELSE ON THE QUEUE.
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WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM BROWN MARSHALL AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER CLOUSER.MAYOR PRO TEM, CAN YOU SHARE WHAT YOUR MOTION IS? YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO ADOPT THE SCHEDULE OF FEES AS PRESENTED HERE ON TONIGHT WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE WEEKEND PASS FEES AND TO TAKE A LOOK AT ADDING IN THE VETERAN FEES.
SEEING NO ONE ELSE ON THE QUEUE, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE.
THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE. THERE'S. WITH NO FURTHER BUSINESS AND HEARING.
NO OBJECTIONS. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 5:01 P.M..
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.