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GOOD

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EVENING EVERYONE.

IT IS NOW SEVEN

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O'CLOCK THURSDAY AND WE WILL CALL THE CITY OF MISSOURI CITY PARKS BOARD MEETING TO ORDER.

UH, HOPEFULLY EVERYONE, UH, IS ABLE TO JOIN AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC.

UH, WE WILL BE FOLLOWING THE AGENDA AS POSTED ON THE INTERNET AS WELL AS AT CITY HALL.

OKAY.

UM, WELL WE'VE DONE ITEM ONE CALLING MEETING TO ORDER ITEM NUMBER TWO.

UH, LET ME DO IT IN ROLL CALL.

I'M SORRY.

LET ME MAKE A COUPLE OF RULES IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS PACKAGE.

UH, WE WILL DO A ROLL CALL FIRST AS THE MEETING GO.

IF WE HAVE AN ACTION ITEM, I WILL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE THAT WAY DIRECTLY HOW EACH BOARD MEMBERS VOTED.

I'M GOING TO DO A ROLL CALL TO SEE WHO'S HERE FIRST.

UH, JUST GOING DOWN THE LIST.

LAWRENCE TURNER HERE.

BUDDY SNYDER.

DON JOHNSON HERE.

COMMENTS JOHNSON, THOMAS ST JAMES JOHNSON, LESLIE, UH, MARY ROSS SHARMAN RYAN MERCHANT.

ALL RIGHT.

YOU TOLD RAJ.

OKAY.

DIANE.

GILDA.

YEAH.

J R ADKINS, JR AND CLAUDIA.

IT'S MY SCREEN FROZE UP ON ME, MAN.

I KNOW YOU'VE PROBABLY BYPASS BUT I'M ON SOME BRIAN, IS THAT BRIAN? OKAY.

AND SO, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER LITTLE RULES AND THINGS THAT I'VE LEARNED, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO STAY, IF YOU WILL MUTE YOURSELF SO THAT WAY WE WON'T GATHER A LOT OF BACKGROUND NOISE AND THAT'LL HELP US OUT TO THIS MEETING.

THANK YOU.

UH, SO WE'VE DONE A ROLL CALL, UH, AND AGAIN, JUST TO REFRESH EVERYBODY'S MEMORY, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK AT LEAST SAY YOUR NAME FIRST.

SO THAT WAY THE PUBLIC, CAUSE IT'S STILL IS A PUBLIC MEETING AND THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW WHO'S SPEAKING AS WELL AS THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.

UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO, CONSIDER A PRO

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ON THE MARCH 5TH, 2020 PARKS BOARD MEETING MINUTES.

YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THOSE MINUTES, UH, FROM SYDNEY.

UH, THOSE WERE EMAILED TO YOU EARLIER.

I'LL GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO REVIEW THOSE.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION WITH HIS GUARDS TO THE MEETING MINUTES OF MARCH 5TH, 2020.

YEAH, EVERYBODY'S SNYDER.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

WE ADOPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.

SECONDS.

ROLL CALL VOTE.

THE EASIEST WAY MADE TO DO THIS IS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED? MOTION PASSED.

WE'LL MOVE ON OVER TO ITEM

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NUMBER THREE.

ITEM NUMBER THREE IS PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE WHO MAY BE ON THE MEETING.

TO MAKE COMMENTS.

WE ASK THAT YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND WE'LL HEAR YOUR COMMENTS.

IF I HAVE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UH, STATE AND

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STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR US PLEASE.

HELLO? HELLO.

MY NAME IS ON THE PUBLIC.

YES.

CAN YOU TELL US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE, MA'AM? MARY THOMAS.

NINE 50 STAFF FOR SHINE.

OKAY.

SAY YOUR ADDRESS AGAIN PLEASE, MA'AM? NINE 50 STAFF SHY? YES MA'AM.

OKAY.

AND IS THIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY COMMENTS ON ANYTHING THAT IS NOT ON THAT IS IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO AN ITEM AGENDA ITEM YOU CAN WHITE FOR IN, UH, BUT WE'LL LISTEN TO YOUR COMMENTS.

MA'AM.

WELL, LAWRENCE, I BELIEVE SHE'S WITH THE PARKLAND DEDICATION.

EXCELLENT.

OKAY, WELL THEN WE HAD THAT AS AN AGENDA ITEM AND THEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME YOU CAN SPEAK ME.

OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, NOT HEARING ANYONE COME FORWARD.

WE'LL MOVE FORWARD TO ITEM NUMBER

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FOUR.

REVIEW POLICY CARD.

RELATING TO SERVICE ANIMAL.

YEAH, I'M BORED.

THIS IS JASON AS YOU RECALL.

UM, OUR, OUR PROCESS FOR THE CREATION OF DEPARTMENT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, UM, HAS A, HAS A STEP IN IF WE, IF WE IMPLEMENT A PROCEDURE THAT THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THE PUBLIC.

SO, SO NOT JUST FOR LIKE AN INTERNAL OPERATIONS PROCEDURE, BUT SOMETHING THAT IS A PUBLIC FACING, UH, POLICY OR PROCEDURE THAT WE BRING IT TO THIS BODY FOR A REVIEW AND FOR INPUT.

UM, WE HAVE TWO OF THOSE TODAY.

UM, THE FIRST ONE IS RELATED TO SERVICE ANIMALS OR PARTICIPANTS, UH, FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO UTILIZE SERVICE ANIMALS AT OUR FACILITY.

AND, UM, RECREATION PROGRAMS. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE THAT, UM, HELPED OUR STAFF AND UNDERSTAND THE LAW AND THIS, UH, UM, THIS POLICY IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT AND THE, UH, UH, TEXAS, UM, UH, HUMAN RESOURCES CODE.

AND, UH, SO WE, WE WANT TO, UH, IMPLEMENT THIS WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT, BUT I'M BRINGING IT, WE ARE BRINGING IT TO YOU GUYS FOR, UH, FOR ANY INPUT, UM, AND UH, SUGGESTIONS PRIOR TO DOING THAT AND IT WAS SENT OUT TO YOU ON, ON MONDAY.

IF YOU HAVE ANY INPUT AT THIS TIME, WE'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE IT OR IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT AND READ IT, WE, WE INVITE YOU TO DO SO AND PROVIDE ANY FEEDBACK, UH, VIA EMAIL, UM, IN THE NEXT, UH, IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

DOES ANYONE ON THE PARKS BOARD HAVE ANY COMMENTS WITH REGARDS TO THE POLICY AS IT RELATES TO SERVICE ANIMALS? FEEDBACK? OKAY.

HI EVERYONE.

THIS IS LYRICS.

HAS EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE POLICY? YES, I AM.

YES.

MMM.

ANY, ANY COMMENTS? PAYBACK, NO COMMENTS OR FEEDBACK? I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY COMPREHENSIVELY DONE.

NICE JOB.

OKAY.

I AGREE.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, JASON, THIS DIDN'T EVER HAVE ANY ACTION ON OUR PART, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, CORRECT.

UH, THE, THE, THE POLICIES DON'T REQUIRE ACTION ON THE BOARD'S PART, BUT WE DO ASK FOR ANY INPUT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

SO, UM, AS, AS AN ADVISORY BODY, WE DO ASK THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AND ADVISE AS, AS YOU SEE FIT.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, AND NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS

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MOVE ON OVER TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

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I DON'T REMEMBER IF I REVIEWED THE PARKS AND REC SAFETY MANUAL.

JASON.

YEAH.

AGAIN, THIS IS, UM, THIS, THIS IS, UH, OUR, OUR SAFETY AND RISK MANAGEMENT POLICY FOR, UH, FOR OUR DEPARTMENT.

UH, THIS IS KIND OF A HYBRID OF AS INTERNAL POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AS WELL AS EXTERNAL POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.

AND SO I JUST FELT IT WAS, UH, IT WOULD BE NICE TO, TO UM, SHOW YOU WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH OVER THE LAST, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS OF WORKING ON THIS.

UM, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL STAFF MEMBERS, UH, DOING RESEARCH AND LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES.

UH, THIS IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR OUR ACCREDITATION.

UM, AND, AND INSTEAD OF HAVING A, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF INDEPENDENT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, WE OPTED TO PUT IT INTO A, UH, A MANUAL OR A BOOK THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO, UM, HAVE, HAVE WITH US, TAKE WITH US, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, ON OUR, ON OUR TRUCKS, UH, FOR OUR PARKS OP GUYS.

UM, AND REALLY JUST KINDA COVER A LOT OF THE, UM, SAFETY AND RISK MANAGEMENT STUFF.

UM, EVERYTHING FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, BOMB THREATS TO MISSING CHILDREN, UH, BUT ALSO AS RELATED TO OUR PROGRAMS AND HOW WE DESIGN OUR PROGRAMS AND LOOKING AT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE CONDUCT A RISK ASSESSMENT.

UH, AND SO WE HAVE OUR PROCEDURES IN THERE FOR HOW TO CONDUCT A RISK ASSESSMENT.

HOW DO WE MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON RISK, UM, AND, AND THEN HOW WE'RE GOING TO CARRY IT OUT.

UH, ALSO IN THIS, UH, HAS OUR, UM, ACCIDENT AND INCIDENT, UH, PROCEDURES.

IF WE DO END UP HAVING AN ACCIDENT OR AN INCIDENT, UH, WHAT DO WE DO AND HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT? UH, IT IS, IT IS A LONG DOCUMENT.

UM, AND, AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT MEANT TO COVER EVERY THING THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN, BUT IT IS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE A, A GOOD OUTLINE OF MANY THINGS THAT ARE LIKELY OR, OR YOU KNOW, THE, THE MORE PROBABLE, UM, THINGS SUCH AS VEHICLE ACCIDENTS OR, OR WHATNOT.

THIS IS MEANT TO BE A LIVING, BREATHING DOCUMENT.

AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE WILL REVIEW EVERY YEAR, UM, THE, OR, OR MORE OFTEN, BUT EVERY YEAR ON A MINIMUM AND, UM, ADJUST AND, AND, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ANTICIPATE KIND OF GROWING AND, AND BECOMING A BETTER AND BETTER DOCUMENT.

UM, SO WE, WE WOULD, UM, AGAIN, ASK YOU GUYS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS TO, UM, PROVIDE THAT EXTRA SET OF EYES ON THIS DOCUMENT AND, UM, ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

RIGHT.

JASON? I'M SORRY.

OH, THIS IS MARY.

ROB.

I DID NOT GET, I DIDN'T GET TO DO EVERYTHING.

YOU'VE REVIEWED EVERYTHING IN THE AGENDA, BUT I DID SPEND A LITTLE TIME ON THIS MANUAL, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION.

YOU SAID, YOU SAID THAT THIS IS MEANT TO BE A LIVING, BREATHING DOCUMENT OR IT'S NOT MEANT TO ME.

UH, IT, IT IS, WE ARE GOING TO ADOPT IT AS AN OFFICIAL, UH, POLICY AND MANUAL, BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ADD AND SUBTRACT AND ADJUST AN AMEND AS AS POSSIBLE.

YEAH.

OKAY.

WELL I'M GLAD THAT I DIDN'T HEAR YOU PROPERLY CAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS, I THOUGHT IT WAS, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A TIME THAT I WAS ABLE TO SPEND WITH IT.

I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY WELL DONE, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU SAID IF IT'S A DOCUMENT THAT'LL BE A GROWING DOCUMENT, WHICH IS GOOD.

SO I LIKED THAT.

DIANE, I THINK YOU TOOK A LOT OF THE GUESSWORK OUT.

IT LOOKED VERY COMPREHENSIVE TO ME IS EXCELLENT.

I AGREE.

THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS.

IT LOOKS TO BE VERY CONFIDENT.

QUITE A TASK.

YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

IF YOU DO HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT WE AFFORD THEM OVER TO JASON.

IT'S GOOD.

ALL RIGHT.

IF NOTHING ELSE NEEDED TO BE SAID,

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WE'LL MOVE ON OVER TO ITEM NUMBER SIX.

ITEM NUMBER STATES CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE VERANDA THEN RESORT PARKLAND DEDICATION.

UH, MR MAGNUM.

YES.

UM, SO WE'VE RECEIVED A PARKLAND DEDICATION PROPOSAL.

UM, UM,

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THIS IS A, THIS IS A SMALL DEVELOPMENT ON STAFFORDSHIRE ROAD CONSISTING OF, UH, 87, UH, UNITS, UH, WHICH, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE LESS THAN AN ACRE OF PARKLAND DEDICATION.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 50% OF PARKLAND PRIVATE PARKLAND AND THEN 50% CASH IN LIEU OF, UM, THEY ARE HERE.

AND I THINK JENNIFER FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS DEVELOPMENT OR PARKLAND DEDICATION.

ALRIGHT.

CAUSE THE APPLICANT HERE.

UM, I'M THE ARCHITECT AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AND ONE OF THE OWNERS IS THERE AS WELL.

ALRIGHT.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY OR SPEAK ABOUT? UM, NO, I'M JUST, UM, I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AS FAR AS THE APPLICATION IS CONCERNED.

UM, ANY NUMBERS OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE CLARIFICATION, I CAN CLARIFY THAT FOR YOU.

ALL RIGHT, OPEN UP FOR COMMENTS.

UM, I AM MARRIED THOMAS, ONE OF THE OWNERS.

UM, I WAS WONDERING, ARE YOU ALL READY FOR A CHECK THAT I CAN WRITE THAT 50% OF PRIVATE LAND FROM THE BOARD MEMBER? DO WE HAVE COMMENTS? YEAH.

YES.

ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS? NO COMMENT.

WELL, UH, I DID HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

I DID SEND AN EMAIL AND I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT.

EXCUSE ME.

AND WHAT DID DANIEL, BASICALLY I WENT THROUGH THE ORDINANCE AND I APPLIED TO THIS PARKLAND DEDICATION AND I DON'T KNOW, DID EVERYBODY RECEIVE THAT EMAIL THAT I SENT OUT? I DID, YES.

I HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT EMAIL OR THUMB MINUTES OTHER THAN A GREENWAY, YOUR OBSERVATION.

AND SO JUST, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT AND EVERYONE THAT'S ON THIS CALL, UH, THE EMAIL, I'LL JUST BASICALLY KIND OF RUN THROUGH THE EMAIL AND WHAT IT SAID WAS BASED ON THE RULES LISTED BELOW, THE MAXIMUM INCOME FOR PRIVATE PARK LAND, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT, THE 0.2175.

SO THE SELL THE MAXIMUM AREA FOR BOTH COMBINED RESERVE B AND D IS 0.215.

NOW THERE'S ALSO SOME RULES WITH REGARDS TO UH, HOW YOU, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT ENCUMBERED LAND, UH, AND THAT THAT'S LAND, UH, WHICH HAS THE FOLLOWING TYPES OF ENCUMBRANCE IS MAYBE USE TO SATISFY THE PRIVATE PARKLAND OPTION ON THE BASIS OF PARTIAL CREDIT AS RECITED HERE IN THEN IT GIVES THE RULES FOR IT THEN IT ALSO, BUT THAT WAS FOR ITEM B.

AND THEN FOR ITEM C, UH, WHICH IS AN EMAIL AND IT TALKS ABOUT LIMIT ON ENCUMBERED LAND, UH, THAT NO MORE THAN 50% OF PRIVATE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK PLAN PROVISION AND BE SATISFIED WITH LAND POSSESSING THE INCUMBENT SET FORTH IN SUBSECTION FOUR SUBSECTION F DASH FOUR DASH B OF THIS ACTION.

AND THEN SO YOU HAVE THAT PART.

AND THEN WHEN YOU CONTINUE ON READING THE RULES, UH, THE RULES AS SHOWN BELOW, ENCOURAGE ON LESS THE RULE THAT'S SHOWN BELOW.

ALSO ENCOURAGE ON LESS THAN 0.5 ACRES, BOY, PRIVATE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKLAND CREDIT THROWING.

IN OTHER WORDS, YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING

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LESS THAN A HALF ACRE FOR PRIVATE PARKLAND CREDIT.

UH, AND THEN WHEN YOU READ IT, YOU KNOW, THE RESERVE ALONG STAFFORDSHIRE ROAD IS 0.27, EIGHT FOUR ACRES.

AND SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE NOT TO ACCEPT THIS AS PRIVATE PARKLAND.

UH, THE OTHER THING I STATED WAS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT JUST PAID THE FULL FEE TO MEET THAT PARKLAND REQUIREMENT.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO REQUIRE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF MONEY IN LIEU OF LAND TO MEET THE PARKLAND DEDICATION.

UH, THAT WAS AGAIN, JUST MY RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE INTERPRETATION OF THE RULES AS WELL AS WHAT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN ACCEPTED WITH REGARDS TO PARKLAND DEDICATION.

NOW AGAIN, I'M GOING TO OPEN IT BACK UP TO, UH, THE BOARD FOR COMMENTS.

EITHER DISAGREE OR AGREE OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, NOT OBLIGATING THE CITY.

WE JUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND I MADE SURE I JUST QUOTED THE RULES TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, I WAS FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES AND HOW I WOULD, HOW I WOULD RESPOND.

ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD CONSIDERING WHAT THE RULES ARE.

THIS IS MARY ROSS CONSIDERING WHAT THE RULES ARE.

THEN I WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

THIS IS CALLED THE EFFICACY THE SAME.

I WOULD AGREE.

I AND I WOULD AGREE.

I THE, UM, THIS IS RAJ JOSEPH, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, PUT THESE POINTS VERY CLEARLY THROUGH THE RULES AND, AND MADE IT EASIER FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND AND THANK YOU, UM, LAWRENCE FOR DOING THIS.

UH, FANTASTIC EMAIL AND UH, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN THIS ONE IN HIS EMAIL, UM, LISTED HERE.

THIS IS THOMAS SCENE AND AFTER READING, UM, THE RULES THAT YOU STATED, WHEREAS I AGREE WITH YOU TOO.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD ONE.

THIS IS DON AFTER THE EXPLANATION BUDDY.

I AGREE.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, FROM THE APPLICANT STANDPOINT, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU WITH REGARDS TO, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED? YEAH, BECAUSE LAST MEETING WE ATTENDED THE, THIS IS WHY BEING PRESENTED THAT 50% OF PARKLAND PROCUREMENT SHOULD BE PAID, BUT THEN THEY SAID THERE'LL BE ANOTHER MEETING AND THAT MEETING IS OVER.

THERE WAS NO CHANGE FROM THAT NOW.

YES.

YEAH.

TALKING ABOUT THE ROARS.

TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I DON'T THINK THIS IS AS THIS COME BEFORE US, BEFORE JASON ON THE AGENDA, BEFORE, UH, THE, THE APPLICANT HAD A MEETING WITH STAFF, UH, TO CLARIFY THE, THE RULES REGARDING THE PARKLAND DEDICATION.

SO JENNIFER AND MYSELF, UM, AND RANDY AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO ALL ELSE WAS THERE FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MET WITH THE APPLICANT TO DISCUSS THE, THE RULES, UH, REGARDING THE PARKLAND DEDICATION.

UM, DURING THAT MEETING WE DID INDICATE THAT THIS IS A, THIS IS NOT STAFF'S DECISION, THAT'S THE DECISION OF THE PARK BOARD, THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO, UM, BUT WE DID EXPLAIN THE, THE, UH, THE, THE, THE RULES WITH ENCUMBRANCES AND OUTLINED WHAT IS NECESSARY FOR A PARKLAND DEDICATION.

UM, WITH THAT, UM, UH, WE, WE, WE HIGHLIGHTED THAT THE RULES DO SAY ENCOURAGED.

UM, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A MANDATORY, UM, LESS THAN A HALF ACRE, UM, OR MORE THAN A HALF AN ACRE.

I THINK FOR PUBLIC PARKLAND IT'S DEFINITELY A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM,

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UM, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE ADAMANT THAT, THAT THAT A HALF ACRE, UH, IS OBVIOUSLY NOT SOMETHING THAT FOR, FOR PUBLIC PARKLAND.

HOWEVER, FOR PRIVATE PARKLAND IT'S UP, IT'S UP TO THE DEVELOPER AND THE BOARD AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE, AND THE CITY COUNCIL.

JENNIFER ARE YOU, ARE YOU ON JENNIFER? I AM AND I DID AGREE THAT I GET THAT.

YEAH.

YES, I AGREE.

AND SO MA'AM IS IT MS. THOMAS? MS. THOMAS THOMAS IS MARRIED AND SO, UM, AND AGAIN, STAFF STAFF HAS, THEY, THEY REVIEW THEIR MAY, THEY EXPLAIN EVERYTHING BUT THEN IT GOES TO THE BOARD AND THEN THE BOARD BASED ON THEIR INTERPRETATION, BASED ON THE FACTS THAT THEY HAD BEFORE THEM AND WHAT THEY FEEL IS IN THE BEST INTEREST FOR THE CITY, THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND AGAIN, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION.

OUR RECOMMENDATION, THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKS IS WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, OUR RECOMMENDATION GOES BEFORE OR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

AND ONCE HE GETS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THEY CAN EITHER ACCEPT OUR RECOMMENDATION OR THEY CAN MAKE A NEW RECOMMENDATION.

AND THEN ONCE THEY'VE WENT THROUGH THEIR HOUSE, IT WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEY'RE THE FINAL STOP.

SO THERE'S A THREE PHASE APPROACH AND ANY COUNCIL HAS THE OPTION TO SNAP THE PARKS BOARD OR SEC EXCEPT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION A RECOMMENDATION.

AND THEY ARE THE FINAL SAY.

SO, BUT AT THIS LEVEL, AT THE, AT THE PARKS BOARD LEVEL, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS BASED ON THE RULES WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, BASED ON THE LOCATION, THE USAGE BASED ON HISTORY OF OTHER, THE UH, ARE, AND WE'LL MAKE A MOTION AND GO THROUGH OUR FULL PROCESS.

BUT BASED ON WHAT WE PRESENTED WITH, I AS CHAIRMAN PRESENTED BASED ON MY OBSERVATION, UH, IT APPEARED THAT IT WAS BETTER SERVED TO DO A, UH, MONEY AND LUA FOR THE POOL AND TIRE BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING FOR A PROB RECORD AND THE LOCATION.

AND SO AGAIN, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION SO YOU GET TO PLEAD YOUR CASE.

YOU GOT THREE MORE, TWO MORE TIMES BEYOND THIS, THIS BODY YOU'VE BEEN ON, WHAT ITS RECOMMENDATION IS TO COME BEFORE THEM AND PRESENT YOUR CASE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

I JUST HAVE A GOOD QUESTION.

I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

THIS IS THE ARCHITECT, UM, FOR THE PROJECT.

SO, UM, LET'S SAY WE DO GO AHEAD WITH, UM, MONEY IN LIEU OF, UM, THE LAND.

SO THEN DO WE HAVE THE OPTION OF REDESIGNING THE WHOLE THING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PARKLAND THAT WE'VE DEDICATED BECAUSE WE HAD TO INCREASE A LOT OF PARKLAND IN THAT SPACE TO TRY AND MEET THAT REQUIREMENT OF YOURS.

SO IF WE ARE BEING THE MONEY EITHER WAYS, DO WE GET THEN REDUCE IT? YEAH.

YOU GET TO DO WHAT YOU WANT.

I MEAN, YOU GOT TO PAY THE MONEY IN NOAH.

OKAY.

BUT THIS IS, THIS IS JENNIFER GOMEZ.

I JUST WANT TO QUALIFY THAT, UM, DO WHAT YOU WANT.

BUT IT STILL HAS TO MEET THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE OTHER CITY REGULATIONS.

SO IT MAY NOT BE A PARKLAND.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S STILL A QUESTION ON THE DRAINAGE, UM, BUT ALL OF THE OTHER CITY ORDINANCES STILL HAVE TO BE MET.

SO ONCE, UM, YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE PARKLAND, THEN WE CAN REASSESS TO SEE WHAT THOSE AREAS MAY BE ABLE TO BE REPURPOSED THAT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

DOES THE ARCHITECT OR OWNER HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO BACK TO THE BOARD? NO, I THINK I'M GOOD.

THANK YOU.

YES MA'AM.

SO I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE BOARD AND UH, SO THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED, UH, IS BEFORE YOU, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM ANYONE ON THE BOARD WITH REGARDS TO THE PARKLAND DEDICATION FOR, AND MA'AM YOU COULD PRONOUNCE THE NAME FOR ME SO I CAN PRONOUNCE IT PROPERLY.

SOUND MAN.

SAY THE NAME AGAIN FOR ME.

SOUTH S.

R.

W.

M.

Y.

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THE NAME OF THE RESORT IS IT CALLED .

AND THAT IS SUCH THAT I THOUGHT IS, UM, OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

SO I'LL RETAIN A MOTION FOR, UH, A PARKLAND DEDICATION FOR WRITTEN DOBBIN RESORT.

YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.

THIS IS THOMAS SAYING, WHAT DOES RIM DOBBIN MEAN? IS THAT JUST SOMEONE'S NAME? IT'S A FAMOUS GUY THEN IN INDIA.

OH, OKAY.

YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

THIS IS DON.

AND MOVE THAT WE, WE ADJUSTED RECOMMENDATION FROM STATED SITUATION AT THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO WOULD YOUR MOTION BE DONE IF I CAN MAYBE HELP.

IS YOUR MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MONEY IN LIEU OF THE FULL AMOUNT? $1,300 PER DWELLING UNIT FOR THE TOTAL OF, I BELIEVE IT'S 87 DWELLING UNITS OR RUN DOBBIN RESORT.

YES.

THAT'S IT.

THAT IS THE MOST.

AND DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.

LISTEN BUDDY.

SCHNEIDER.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, IF THERE IS NOT ANY, PARDON ME IF THERE'S NOT ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

DO I HAVE ANY THAT OPPOSE? THE AYES HAVE IT.

THE MOTION PASSED TO ACCEPT THE MONEY AND LOU, UH, FOR THE FULL AMOUNT FOR RENT.

DOBBIN RESORT, PARKLAND DEDICATION.

ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO

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ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

I'M GOING TO LOG OUT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

NOPE, DON'T FORGET IT STILL GOES TO PLANNING AND ZONING AND CITY COUNCIL.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND DO WE GET TO KNOW WHEN THOSE MEETINGS WILL BE? WILL WE BE UPDATED? THE STAFF WILL HAVE TO NOTIFY YOU ON THAT ONE.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

I'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH MS. GOMEZ.

THANK YOU.

YES MA'AM.

ALL RIGHT.

IF YOU NOTICE NOW I'M GHOST CASPER.

NUMBER SEVEN, CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PARKWAY CROSSING PARKLAND DEDICATION.

MR JASON.

YEAH, THERE'S LISTEN TO OTHER, UH, PARKLAND DEDICATION.

UH, THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT, UM, PARKWAY CROSSING.

UH, THEY, THEY ALSO HAVE A, UM, PROPOSAL THAT PRIVATE PARKLAND.

UM, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE, UM, THE APPLICANT HERE IS HERE AS WELL.

I THOUGHT I SAW MR. WILLIAMS, HIS NAME ON THE, ON THE LIST.

JARED, WHAT ARE YOU ON? YES, SIR.

EXCELLENT.

ALL RIGHT.

MR MR. WILLIAMS. YES, SIR.

OKAY.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD OR SPEAK BEFORE THE BOARD BEFORE WE GO INTO THIS DIRECTION? SURE.

UH, SO I'M JARED WILLIAMS WITH JOHNSON CARTER ENGINEERING.

I'M REPRESENTING THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY.

I THINK JASON COVERED THE MAIN IDEA OF IT PARKED BY CROSSING IT.

IT'S A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH

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WEST INTERSECTION PARKWAY.

WE'RE LOOKING TO PARKLAND FOR THE WHOLE OF THE DEVELOPMENT HERE ON THE FIRST TASK.

I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH IT.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD.

DOES ANY MEMBER HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS WITH REGARDS TO THIS PARKLAND DEDICATION? WELL, LAUREN, LAUREN SAYS, BUDDY, YOU HAD POINTED OUT THERE WAS A QUESTION OF THE MAINTENANCE OF THE AREA BY THE HOA AS OPPOSED TO THE STATE.

SO IN, IN THEIR LETTER THAT THEY PRESENTED TO US, UH, THERE WAS BASICALLY SAYING THAT, UH, THAT THE AREA WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA.

UM, AND SO, UH, AND THE REASON I PUT THE LAST STATEMENT UNTIL I WENT BACK AND I LOOKED AT IT ON EMAIL I SENT OUT THERE CONSIDERING ALL THIS AS PRIVATE PARKLANDS.

SO THIS IS ALL CONSIDERED AS PRIVATE PARKLAND.

THEN YOU CAN DISREGARD THE LAST SENTENCE BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE PARKLAND.

WE WON'T BE MAINTAINING IT, BUT IT DOES HAVE TO HAPPEN BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE PARKLAND.

THEY'RE ONLY MEETING 50% OF THEIR PARKLAND DEDICATION.

SO THE REMAINING PORTION HAS TO BE MONEY IN LIEU OF DOING PRIVATE PARKLAND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE, BUT IT'S FILED OF RECORD.

OKAY.

BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY MEET UP TO BY THE ORDINANCE, YOU CAN ONLY MEET HALF OF YOUR PARKLAND DEDICATION WITH PRIVATE PARKLAND.

AND THEN THE REMAINING PORTION HAS TO BE HONEY AND UH, AND SO THEY STILL HAVE THE PRIVATE PORTION THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, BUT THEN ALSO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY A HALF OF IT, HALF OF THE, UH, THE FEE.

SO IF THEY HAVE TOTAL, UH, NO, MY CHARACTER, I THINK IT WAS 700 DWELLING UNITS, UH, UM, ON THE, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH, UM, 50% OF THEIR PARKLAND DEDICATION REQUIREMENT WOULD BE FULFILLED WITH PRIVATE PARKLAND.

UH, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD NEED TO MAKE A PAYMENT TO THE CITY FOR $490,000.

WOW.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST THE ORDINANCE ITSELF.

AND MR. WILLIAMS, WAS THAT THE, WAS THAT THE INTENTION CAUSE IT DIDN'T MENTION THE, THE OTHER HALF OF THE, UH, YEAH, THE OTHER HALF OF THE DEDICATION REQUIREMENT HERE IN THE, IN THE COVER LETTER.

SO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS, THAT WAS UNDERSTOOD BY, BY THE DEVELOPER.

AND WE'RE, WE'RE CERTAINLY LOOKING TO AVOID THAT, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THAT'S THE RULES ON PRIVATE DEDICATION.

I GUESS MY QUESTION BACK WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD PREVENT US FROM MAKING THIS PUBLIC PARKLAND? WELL, IT'S ABOUT HOW YOU ADJUST TO NEW ONE TO TAKE IT.

WELL, I MEAN, YEAH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROPOSAL DIFFERENTLY IF, IF THIS IS, WE'RE GOING TO BE A, A ASSET THAT WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOOK AT THE, THE QUALITY OF THE LAND AND THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC, UM, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, BEFORE WE WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OF VALUE TO US.

ALSO TOO, WE WOULD LOOK AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE RULES ON, I'M SORRY, I KEEP SAYING THE ROLE, BUT IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR EVERYBODY THAT, YOU KNOW, NOTHING'S BEING SUBJECTIVE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S GOTTA BE, IT'S GOTTA BE UNENCUMBERED.

IF IT'S ENCUMBERED, YOU KNOW, THE VALUE OF THAT LAND BECOMES LESS AND LESS.

AND SO LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A DETENTION POND ON THAT, WELL THAT MEANS YOU ONLY GET ONE THIRD CREDIT RIGHT THERE FOR THAT.

IF YOU'VE GOT A PIPELINE EASEMENT, IF YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT YOU HAVE TO, THAT COMES INTO PLAY WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, DEDICATED AS PUBLIC PARKLAND AND YOU KNOW,

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WE WANT A MINIMUM SIZE OR PUBLIC PARKLAND AS WELL.

UH, IF I'M, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY AND I'M SPEAKING FROM THE HIP, I KNOW IT'S A MINIMUM FIVE ACRES.

I MEAN, WE WOULD WANT LIKE A LITTLE QUARTER ACRE AREA FOR PUBLIC PARKLAND BECAUSE THERE'S JUST, IT'S MORE OF A MAINTENANCE ISSUE THAN, THAN, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING FULL PUBLIC PARKING AN AREA.

AND DON'T QUOTE ME ON THE FIBER CAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE MINIMUM, BUT IT'S IN THE RULES RIGHT THERE.

BUT WE'D LIKE TO EXCEL.

AND SO IF YOU'RE WANTING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED TONIGHT, THEN I THINK YOU WOULD NEED TO, UH, I MEAN, IT'S UP TO YOU.

YOU GET TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

BUT WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE US TONIGHT, WHAT WE'RE TOLD, UH, FIVE ACRES THANK YOU IS CORRECT.

UH, IT IS MINIMUM FIVE ACRES.

AND SO WITH WHAT YOU PRESENTED TO NIGHT, THE INFORMATION YOU PRESENTED TONIGHT, IT REQUIRES US TO, YOU KNOW, CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING, YO, YOU'RE GOING TO DO PRIVATE PARKLAND.

SO THAT MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO PAY, UH, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, DO PRIVATE PARKLAND AND, AND IF YOU'VE GOT 700 LOTS, YOU'RE GONNA PAY $198,000 AND, UH, MONEY AND LUA IF THAT'S WHAT THE OWNER, AND THAT'S WHY JASON'S ASKING YOU THAT QUESTION IS IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL WANT TO DO.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE FACTS THAT ARE BEFORE US.

IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN I WOULD RECOMMEND A, I MEAN, IT'S UP TO YOU, UH, THAT YOU'VE PULLED THIS ITEM.

UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, THE FACTS THAT YOU HAVE IT FOR US IS IT'S A PRIVATE PARKLAND.

YOU'LL MEET THE OTHER HALF OF IT WITH MONEY.

A LUA.

HI STAN.

I THINK, I AGREE.

I THINK THE BEST DECISION IS TO PULL IT.

I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT MY DEVELOPER TO PAYING.

THAT'S THE, UH, I THINK I WAS MISUNDERSTANDING THE RULES COMING IN AND, UM, TO SWITCH INTO PRIVATE, I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU COULD ONLY COUNT UP TO 50% FOR THAT.

UM, I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE IT, THE PUBLIC GOING FORWARD THEN.

AND I DO THINK WE'VE RECOMMENDED ENOUGH ACREAGE TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT, BUT I FULLY UNDERSTAND IF THAT NEEDS TO BE A RECENT MIDDLE.

OKAY.

SO I THINK WHAT I'LL HAVE TO DO, UM, BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND IT IS BEFORE IT'S ON THE AGENDA SO IT DOESN'T GET ADOPTED.

YEAH.

I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO, UH, AT LEAST THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

WE'LL HAVE TO, UH, AND, AND I'M SURE THE ATTORNEYS ON THAT AND HE'LL STRAIGHTEN ME OUT, UH, AND OTHER STAFF.

BUT I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO AT LEAST TAKE A FORMAL ACTION, UH, SINCE IT'S A RECOMMENDATION, UH, DENYING THIS PARKLAND DEDICATION TONIGHT.

IF THE ATTORNEYS ON THE LINE, CORRECT ME IF I'M MISTAKEN ON MY APPROACH OR IS THERE SOMETHING DIFFERENT I SHOULD DO BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE ACCEPTED IT AS A CITY AND SO IT SEEMED LIKE WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT.

I BELIEVE WHAT THE, AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M SPEAKING.

CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME? YES.

YES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, THE, UM, WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS IS, AND I'VE PULLED IT UP, I'M TRYING TO NAVIGATE THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE HERE, BUT I BELIEVE IT SAYS THAT IT'S GOTTA BE CONSIDERED BY THE PARKS BOARD AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

SO IN ORDER TO CONSIDER IT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ALL DISCUSSED IT, SO, UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND TAKING A VOTE AT THIS TIME BASED ON WHATEVER YOU ALL HAVE DISCUSSED.

COULD HE PULL THIS APPLICATION FORM YOU? WITHDRAWN.

DOES IT HAVE TO BE? UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FORMALLY WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT, BUT, UM, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ALL NEED, IF IT NEEDS TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY AMENDED, UM, BY THE TIME IT GOES TO THE, THE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THEN YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU ALL CAN CONSIDER IT BY TAKING A VOTE AT THIS TIME.

LIKE, UH, I BELIEVE THE CHAIR WAS SAYING, AND CAN I INTERJECT AS WELL? THIS IS JENNIFER.

THE PARKLAND DEDICATION IS SUBJECT TO THE NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES.

SO IF THE CITY DOESN'T TAKE FORMAL ACTION, UM, IF PARKS BOARD DOESN'T TAKE FORMAL ACTION IN 30 DAYS, THEN IT GOES TO PNZ NEXT WEDNESDAY WITH A NEGATIVE OR DISAPPROVAL.

AND THEN IF PNV DOESN'T TAKE ACTION, IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A DISAPPROVAL.

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RIGHT.

AND I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT JENNIFER, THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, MY RECOMMENDATION AT THIS TIME WOULD BE TO CONSIDER IT AND PULL THE VOTE.

SO, UH, BASED ON CONVERSATION FROM OUR STAFF, THE SUBMITTAL AS PRESENTED DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA THAT IS BY THE ORDINANCE.

AND THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING NEW.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO AT THIS STAGE TO ME TAKE ACTION THAT WE DISAPPROVE THE PARKLAND DEDICATION AS SUBMITTED.

THAT WOULD BE, I THINK THE ACTION THAT WOULD NEED TO TAKE PLACE BASED ON CONVERSATION FROM STAFF.

NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM THE BOARD REGARDING ACTION ON THE PARKLAND DEDICATION FOR PARKWAY CROSSING.

EXCUSE ME, LAWRENCE.

THIS IS JARED WILLIAMS. REAL QUICK.

YES SIR.

BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU TAKE ACTION ON THIS, I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD HERE.

UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO KEEP IT ON HERE AS IS? UM, WHAT I DON'T WANT IS I DON'T WANT TO HAVE YOU PULL IT.

I TALKED TO THE DEVELOPER TOMORROW.

HE SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE CAN DO THAT.

WE'LL PAY THE FEE AND THEN I'M SUBMITTING THE SAME THING A MONTH FROM NOW.

UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO RUN THIS THROUGH AS IS WITH IT BEING PRIVATE AND THEN COULD WE STILL CHANGE IT TO PUBLIC LATER ON AT A DIFFERENT PARKS MEETING? HMM.

WELL.

SO HERE, HERE'S HOW WE, IF WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, IT'S EITHER IF YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT TO PAY THE MONEY AND WE CAN LET YOU HAVE PRIVATE, HERE'S YOUR OPTIONS, YOU CAN HAVE A PRIVATE PARKLAND AND PAY THE FEE THAT MEETS THE COORDINATES.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BOARD WOULD AGREE ON OR NOT, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT MEETS THE ORDINANCE.

THAT PART I DO KNOW RIGHT THERE.

AND SO ACTION WOULD BE TAKEN IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT.

THE ONES PRESENTED TO US THEN WOULD HAVE TO DENY THE PARKLAND DEDICATION AS PRESENTED.

SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS WE HAVE BEFORE US AS A BODY TONIGHT THAT WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON.

AND SO AGAIN, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, ARE YOU OKAY, YOU AND YOUR CLIENT, OKAY, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO PAY THE, THE, YOUR PARKLAND DEDICATION IS MET BY PRIVATE SLASH PAYING PUBLIC FUNDS.

I THINK THAT ANSWERED TONIGHT IS NOW OKAY.

OKAY.

THEN THAT BEING THE CASE, THEN WE HAVE TO, AND AGAIN AS PRESENTED TO US, CAUSE THAT'S ALL WE CAN GO ABOUT.

SURE.

CAN'T GO BY ANYTHING DIFFERENT.

AND SO, UH, WE HAVE INFORMATION BEING PRESENTED.

WE WOULD HAVE TO DENY THE PARKLAND DEDICATION AS PRESENTED.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION.

THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION.

AND THEN IT'S GONE THROUGH AS PRESENTED TO THE OTHER THREE BODIES.

NOW YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.

OKAY.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

HEY LAWRENCE, LET ME JUST, LET ME JUST ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION BECAUSE THE LAST, THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA WAS WHAT, WHAT WAS APPROVED WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS PRESENTED.

SO I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS A RECOMMENDING BODY.

THE PROPOSALS COMES IN.

I MEAN WE'VE ALSO TAKEN PROPOSALS WHERE THEY PREVENT, THEY'VE PRESENTED PUBLIC PARKLAND.

WE'VE SAID NO WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT PUBLIC PARKLAND RIGHT NOW IN THAT AREA OR IN THAT PARK ZONE.

WE WANT CASH IN LIEU OF, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE PRESENTATION WAS.

SO JAMES, IF CAN'T, CAN'T THE BOARD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION REGARDLESS IF THE BOARD SAYS PRIVATE PARKLAND AND CATCH IT IN THE WORLD? THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE OUR RECOMMENDATION MOVING FORWARD.

YEAH.

YEAH, THEY CAN DO THAT.

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I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU, YOU COULD, YOU COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION HOW HOWEVER, HOWEVER YOU WANT, BUT AS LONG AS IT FALLS WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE, OF THE ORDINANCE, I MEAN THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHEN PEOPLE HAVE PROPOSED GIVING US PUBLIC PARKLAND AND WE'VE SAID, WE'VE SAID NO THANK YOU AND WE WANT THE CASH IN LIEU OF, AND SO THIS WOULD BE THE SAME THING.

WE COULD SAY WE, WE WOULD WE ACCEPT THIS PROPOSAL AS PRIVATE PARKLAND WITH 50% IN LIEU OF RE REGARD REGARDLESS THAT THAT CAN BE YOUR REP.

THAT CAN BE THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION REGARDLESS.

YES, I AGREE.

NO, NO, I GET, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WE COULD SEND THAT AS RECOMMENDATION, BUT I THINK THE OWNER WANTS TO DO, I THINK THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT THAT WAY AND THAT THEY WANT TO ACTUALLY DO THE LAND AND LOA AND WE COULD COME BACK AND SAY, WE HAVE TOO MANY PARKS IN THAT AREA.

WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO MAINTAIN IT.

IT'S TOO MUCH DRAINAGE.

IT'S TOO MUCH SWAMP.

WE WANT THE, WE WANT TO, WE WANT THE CASH IN LIEU OF NO MATTER WHAT.

I'M JUST SAYING IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S UP TO THE BOARD TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AND THAT IS, THAT IS TRUE.

WELL, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE FLOOR FOR ANY DISCUSSION WITH REGARDS TO THE PARKWAY CROSSING PARKLAND DEDICATION.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR FEEDBACK? THIS IS A LARGE DEVELOPMENT LARYNX VICTORIA.

UM, WHAT PART ZONE IS THIS IN? IS IT IN? UM, OKAY.

OH AND I'M SORRY, I DO NOT HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME.

I'M GOING TO DEFER TO STAFF.

I DON'T HAVE THE PARK ZONE MAP IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PARKS ZONE OR COUNCIL DISTRICT? OH YEAH.

HARD TO ZONE.

I'M SORRY.

UM, IT IS IN PARK ZONE.

RANDY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ON T TO SEVEN OR 10.

UM, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY AN A PARK ZONE WHERE WE HAVE VERY LITTLE PARK LAND.

THIS IS LESLIE.

YES, IT'S IN 10 AND I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER PARTS IN THAT SONG.

WE HAVE SOME UNDEVELOPED PARKLAND, THE CLOSEST PARK TO THAT FREEDOM TREE.

AND THEN WE HAVE A COMMUNITY PARK AND WE HAVE SOME PARKLAND THAT'S IN THE PARKS ED SUBDIVISION.

WE HAVE VERY SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE.

I THINK THREE ACRES OR SOMETHING REAL SMALL.

UM, AND A COUPLE OTHER PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT WE OWN THAT ARE NOT DEVELOPED.

AND DO WE HAVE MONEY TO DEVELOP THOSE OTHER AREAS OR ARE THEY, I MEAN, ARE THEY IN AREAS THAT IN THAT PARTICULAR ZONE? YEAH, WE DO HAVE SOME MONEY IN, IN THAT ZONE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S IN PARK'S EDGE.

UM, WAS, WAS A PARKLAND DEDICATION I BELIEVE WHEN FROM LAKE OLYMPIA, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT FROM ONE OF THE SECTIONS OF LAKE OLYMPIA.

AND THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WASN'T, IT WASN'T ACCESSIBLE CAUSE IT WAS KIND OF OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELDS AND, AND RIGHT.

IT'S RIGHT ALONG A MUSTANG BY YOU.

AND NOW THAT PARK'S EDGE IS GOING IN, WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE SOME ACCESS TO THAT LAND NOW.

AND, UM, SO WE, WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT RIGHT NOW TO SEE HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO DESIGN A PARK, UM, AND, AND, UH, AND DEVELOP THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

AGAIN, VERY, VERY SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT ALONG MUSTANG BY YOU.

UH, IN THE PARTS AND STUFF.

DIVISION.

HERE'S MY QUESTION.

THIS IS LESLIE SPEAKING.

I'M LOOKING AT THE CHART THAT'S PROVIDED IN THE PACKAGE AND IT SAYS NUMBER OF UNITS, 700, UM, PARKLAND DEDICATION, SEVEN ACRES.

AND THEY HAVE HERE THE PARK UNENCUMBERED.

A HUNDRED PERCENT.

YEAH.

SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT, WHAT, EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE CAUSE I'M NEW HERE.

WHAT IS THE FEE THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS TO PAY? SO THE REQUIREMENT, IF HE'S GIVEN A HUNDRED PERCENT OF IT, HE'S GETTING FOUR

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POINTS AROUND AND THE OTHER, HE'S MEETING A SEVEN ACRE REQUIREMENT BECAUSE HE'S BUILDING LIKE EASEMENTS FOR PARKS.

I'M JUST ASKING CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT ARE THE RULES? SO BASICALLY THE WAY, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN IS THAT A DEVELOPER HAS TO PROVIDE ONE ACRE OF, UM, PARKLAND FOR EVERY 100 UNITS.

AND SO BECAUSE HE HAS 700 DWELLING UNITS, THAT WOULD BE SEVEN ACRES OF PARKLAND.

AND THAT PARKLAND HAS TO BE TOTALLY UNENCUMBERED, MEANING IT CAN'T HAVE DRAINAGE ON IT.

IT CAN'T HAVE LAKES ON IT, THEY CAN'T HAVE A PIPELINE EASEMENT OR GAS, GAS, GAS LINE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON.

IT HAS TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT UNENCUMBERED.

IF THERE ARE CONFERENCES ON THAT, ON THAT LAND, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S DRAINAGE OR, OR UH, UM, A PIPELINE THAT RUNS THROUGH IT, THEY CAN GET PARTIAL CREDIT FOR THAT.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT HE'S SHOWING ON HIS, ON HIS CHART IS THAT HE HAS 4.29 ACRES ARE UNENCUMBERED.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT IS GOOD PARKLAND, THAT'S NOT ENCUMBERED WITH ANYTHING ELSE.

AND THEN HE'S GOT 15 ACRES THAT HAS LAKES OR DRAINAGE AND SO HE ONLY GETS 16% CREDIT AND THEN, UM, ONE OF THEM LOOKS LIKE PROBABLY HAS A PIPELINE EASEMENT OR SOME SORT OF OTHER EASEMENT AND IT GETS A THIRD CREDIT.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THEY'RE COMING UP WITH THE ACRES THERE FOR THE 7.52 ACRES.

MAKES SENSE.

HMM.

SO AS A DEVELOPER, THEY HAVE AN OPTION TO SUBMIT A PROPOSAL TO DEDICATE THEIR PARKLAND TO BE PUBLIC VERSUS PRIVATE.

AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THE CITY WOULD, WOULD MAINTAIN OR TAKE OVER.

SO THERE'S FOUR, ONE OPTION TO SAM IS 4.29 ACRES.

WE GIVE THAT TO THE CITY PER SE.

CORRECT.

SO, UM, MANY OF OUR PARKS WERE PART OF A PARKLAND DEDICATION, WHEREAS THEY WERE, THE DEVELOPERS GAVE THE LAND TO THE CITY FOR THE CITY TO UM, MAINTAIN AND DEVELOP.

SOMETIMES THE DEVELOPER HAS DEVELOPED THE PARK AND THEN THE CITY JUST MAINTAINS IT.

UM, SO, BUT YEAH, IT WOULD BE A, IT WOULD BE A CITY, A CITY PARK, A PUBLIC PARK FOR ALL, FOR ALL RESIDENTS.

GOT IT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS AND THEN I'LL SAY THIS AND YOU'RE RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

UM, UH, JASON FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

WE CAN MAKE ANY KIND OF RECOMMENDATION OR WHATEVER WE WANT THAT THAT IS A TRUE STATEMENT BECAUSE IT IS A RECOMMENDATION.

UM, BUT I'M STILL TAKING COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK FROM BOARD MEMBERS THAT MAY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PARKLAND MEDICATION.

AND AGAIN, KEEP THIS IN MIND.

THIS IS A LARGE DEVELOPMENT, 700 HOMES, A LOT OF HOMES, RIGHT? AND IT'S LESLIE.

AGAIN, I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP.

MY QUESTION WOULD BE, THERE'S A GREEN SECTION HERE WOULD BE THE PARK.

I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP.

I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT IT'S ADJACENT TO.

I MEAN IF IT, EVEN IF IT WAS TO BE PUBLIC, WHAT'S THE ACCESSIBILITY TO THE PUBLIC? WOULD THAT CONNECT TO COMMUNITY PARK? IS THAT WHAT WE WERE SPEAKING ABOUT BEFORE? SO THAT WHAT THEY SHOW IN GREEN AND IT WAS A LITTLE BIT, UM, I WAS TRYING TO READING IT AND THEN WHEN I SAW WHAT THE MAP SHOWED, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, THEY SHOW SEVERAL TRACKS.

THEY SHOW FOUR TRACKS THAT ARE GRAIN THAT THEY OWN THE LEGEND CALLS FOR COMMUNITY PARK.

ONE'S 1.38 ACRES, ONE IS 12.5 ACRES, ONE'S 3.5 ACRES.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE, IT DIDN'T REALLY HAVE AN ANCHORAGE ON HIM.

AND SO THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT, MMM.

I WASN'T QUITE SURE AND I NEEDED A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON IT.

AND SO, UH, CAUSE THEN WE GOT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT, IS IT A DETENTION POND? AND THEY JUST STILL CALL IT A PARK ON THE 12 AND A HALF ACRES.

I MEAN, SO THOSE QUESTIONS WERE MADE, BUT AS FAR AS ACCESS, WHAT'S AROUND IT? UM, YOU KNOW THEY HAVE ACCESS TO A PUBLIC ROAD CAUSE EVERYTHING THEY'RE SHOWING IN GRAIN ON THE MAP HAS ACCESS TO A PUBLIC ROAD.

IF YOU ASKED ME IN REAL WORLD AND, AND YOU GO TO A GOOGLE ALERT

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AND WHEN I LOOKED ON GOOGLE ALERT CAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THAT WAS REALLY MY KEY QUESTION.

SO WHAT REALLY THERE ON GOOGLE EARTH? WELL WHERE THAT LINE IS ON THE NORTH SIDE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MAP, UM, IT LOOKED LIKE JUST NOT THE BEST I CAN TELL NORTH OF IT IS A PIPELINE FOR DOOR.

IT KIND OF GOES THROUGH THERE.

IT WAS KIND OF LOOK LIKE, UH, I THINK, I THINK THOSE ARE THE GUY WIRES FOR THE TRANSMISSION TOWERS.

IT LOOKS LIKE JUST ON THE, JUST ON THE NORTH BORDER OF THAT PROPERTY.

THE TRANSMISSION TOWERS HAVE THOSE BIG LONG GUIDE WIRES AND THOSE TERMINATES RIGHT THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT, THAT PARK PROPERTY.

THAT'D BE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YEAH, HE'S RIGHT.

JASON DRIVE.

I WENT TOO FAR.

LORD.

SO YOU HAVE THE BIG GUY, TILE OR SIDE IS JUST NORTH OF IT RIGHT THERE.

ALSO LOOK LIKE THERE'S A, I DON'T KNOW, A COMMUNITY POOL FOR ANOTHER SUBDIVISION NORTH OF THE MID DENSITY RESIDENTIAL UNIT.

YEAH.

I'M JUST KIND OF PACING IT IN ON GOOGLE EARTH.

AND THEN WHERE THE PARK 12.5 ACRE TRACK IS OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A PIPELINE KIND OF CUTTING THROUGH ON THE KIND OF SOUTHERN BOUNDARY LINE RIGHT THERE.

RIGHT.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE TOLL ROAD OBVIOUSLY ON THE EAST SIDE AND MARK'S EDGE BOULEVARD ON THE WEST SIDE, SO THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC .

NOW HOW DOES IT CONNECT TO THE BIG PICTURE OF MISSOURI CITY PARKS? UH, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT ONE.

I DON'T HAVE THE ULTIMATE TRAIL PLAN THERE.

THIS IS RAJ.

UH, JOSEPH, UM, VICTORIA BROUGHT A GOOD, UH, INSIGHT OF VICTORIA.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

IF THAT ZONE DOESN'T HAVE MORE, UM, LARCS OR, UM, I'M INCLINED FOR RECOMMENDATION FOR MORE PUBLIC PARK.

MMM.

THAT'S MY INCLINATION OR COMMENT.

THIS IS BUDDY.

I JUST OFFER THAT GIVEN ALL THE UNKNOWNS AND COMPLEXITIES INVOLVED, I THINK WE'D BE BEST OFF AT THIS JUNCTION.

UNDERSTANDING WITH THEM, UNDERSTANDING THERE'S NOTHING NEGATIVE INVOLVED HERE NECESSARILY THAT THIS JUNCTION, WE DENIED THIS REQUEST.

SOUNDS LIKE THEY WANT TO STUDY IT FROM THEIR ANGLE.

WE CERTAINLY NEED TO STUDY IT MORE FROM OUR ANGLE.

THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, OKAY.

TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT JASON WAS SAYING, UH, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE READS, THE WAY IT DESCRIBES THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, Y'ALL CAN EITHER APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION, I MEAN APPROVE THE, THE DEDICATION AS IT IS, APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS, SO THAT GIVES YOU THE OPTION TO CHANGE IT OR, OR DISAPPROVED.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A MOTION, THEN IT WOULD PROBABLY BE COUCHED AND KIND OF THOSE OPTIONS.

AND KIND OF THE SECOND ONE ALLOWS YOU TO AMEND THE PLAN AS IS.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE HAVE TO KIND OF KEEP IN MIND TOO IS YOU KNOW, HOW THE, AND WE'VE HAD THIS BEFORE, SO BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SUCH A LARGE TRIBE AND THEY DEVELOP THIS IN PHASES, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY'RE GOING TO SET ASIDE AN AREA, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY IF IT IS A PUBLIC PARK, UH, AND SO THEY WOULD DEDICATE OR SET ASIDE AN AREA THAT WE KNOW ULTIMATELY CAUSE THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

THIS IS NOT A FINAL PLAN.

THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLANNING.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST SAYING GENERALLY IN THIS AREA, LET'S JUST SAY THAT IT'S ALL THE GREEN THAT'S NORTH OF THAT ROAD.

HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN AND WE'RE GOING TO MEET OUR PARKLAND DEDICATION WITH THAT.

AND IT'LL EITHER BE, YOU KNOW, UH ENOUGH TO WHERE THEY CAN MEET HER CUMBERT UNENCUMBERED, ENCUMBERED LANE.

BUT NORMALLY YOU KIND OF

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KNOW, HERE'S WHAT WE THINK IS GONNA FIT AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT AS WE DEVELOP, WE ACTUALLY GET THIS STUFF DEDICATED.

AND SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS I'M HEARING SOME, SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS SAYING, WELL, THEY THINK WE MAY NEED SOME PUBLIC PARKLAND OVER THIS AREA.

I'VE HEARD THAT AT LEAST TWICE I'VE HEARD FROM BRIDEY THAT JUST DISCIPLINE WOULD LET THEM COME BACK.

DO I HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR FEEDBACK FROM OTHER BOARD MEMBERS? YEAH, THIS IS BRIAN.

THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO AMANDA AT THIS POINT, IS THAT AMENDING WITH THE DEVELOPER OKAYING OR HOW DOES THAT GO FORWARD THEN? IF WE AMEND IT, THE DEVELOPER HAS TO APPROVE THE AMENDED.

UH, WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, AND AGAIN, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION, UH, THAT, THAT'S JUST IT.

IF WE SAY THAT WE RECOMMEND THE MONEY, ALL MONEY A LITTLE WRONG, BUT ANY PUBLIC PARKLAND, THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION.

NOW HE DOESN'T HAVE TO LIKE IT OR NOT LIKE IT OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

BUT WE'RE JUST, I MEAN, WHAT WE WANT TO DO NOW, NORMALLY, UH, YOU TRY TO THINK OF, YOU KNOW, AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S UM, YOU TRIED TO AT LEAST LET HIM KNOW THAT HERE'S WHAT WE'RE SENDING UP THE POLE.

THEY STILL HAVE THE, THE FREEDOM TO GO BEFORE THE NEXT BODY PLANNING AND ZONING AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK THEY PARKED MORE WAS UNFAIR TO ME OR I DON'T LIKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AND HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO DO.

AND THEY GET TO TAKE A STAB AT IT AS WELL.

AND THE SAME CONVERSATION WILL HAPPEN ONE MORE TIME AT CITY COUNCIL.

SO WE CAN TELL THEM, SUGGEST, RECOMMEND WHATEVER WE THINK IS BEST FOR THE CITIZENRY IN THAT AREA BASED ON OUR EXPERTISE AS PARKS, BOARD MEMBERS AND INPUT FROM STAFF.

BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES IN SOME AREAS IS, UH, WHAT'LL HAPPEN IS STAFF WILL SAY, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU KNOW THIS WHEN WE LISTEN TO STAFF BECAUSE THEY'RE THE GUYS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE SAY WE WANT THIS ALL IS PUBLIC PARKLAND.

WELL STAFF MAY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, Y'ALL NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS.

WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE THIS DETENTION POND AND EVERYTHING ELSE AS PARKLAND.

AND WE GOT TO TRY TO GET DOWN IN MAINE AND MOE AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

OR IT'S JUST UNDESIRABLE AND PARKLAND.

AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TAKE WHAT THEY SAY UNDER ADVISEMENT BUT WE CAN MAKE WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION WE WANT GETS APPROVE, APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE WANT NEWLY AFTER YOU ENUMERATE THE CONDITIONS OR DO YOU JUST SAY APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS? WELL WE WOULD WANT TO STAY SPECIFICALLY WITH CLARITY WHAT THOSE UH, CONDITIONS ON